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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 21:16:47 GMT 1
We won't score many goals with Woods and Wes partnership in centre mid
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 21:16:58 GMT 1
I don't know why people are expecting quality all the time either, just because we've spent a lot. That is not just going to happen and to expect it to is ridiculous. Look at some of the other squads out there, you may say they're weaker but performing better. At the moment Shrewsbury are not performing in the 90 minutes only the pitch, and that needs to change. Ill give any registered user ten pounds cash if they can make sense of this pile of nonsense?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 21:18:23 GMT 1
The question of whether Mellon was the right appointment is a totally fair one. But not a debate to be having now. And 'Mellon Out' is just nonsense. but that is the key question.
If Mellon was not the right appointment and it seems increasingly the case then is it right to continue with him hoping it will come right. We are in a dangerous spiral and any hopes of an immediate return to division 1 are disappearing fast.
You look at what Fleetwood achieved after getting rid of him.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 4, 2014 21:44:57 GMT 1
Far far too early to hit the panic mode, but would imagine post Chelsea there will be a need to regroup, evaluate the squad and possibly make some changes, either by giving fringe players a run out or bringing in loan players
What is of concern is that after 11 games last season we had 12 points and had scored 12 goals
This season after 11 games we have 15 points and 12 goals
Keeping in mind the hapless search for a striker last year and the fact we got four against Accrington the lack of goals from the current team would be the main area of concern.
Maybe post Chelsea with a boost to the coffers a bit more creativity in the final third might be the thing to look for
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Post by shrewswolf on Oct 4, 2014 21:46:02 GMT 1
Absolutely not but he needs to lose the attitude in his post much interviews. No good being on the defensive and in complete denial after defeats. Sure, point out that we didn't do badly, had plenty of possession etc, but don't throw the laughable 'they were fantastic, I couldn't ask for any more' at us after a 5th successive away loss without scoring.
We aren't bad, in fact we spend lots of time on the front foot, but this generally means sideways, backwards & then out of play. We never get in behind or trouble defences seriously. Being toothless is very much an ever recurring problem so don't brush it aside and tell us we're doing everything but score.
Because it's not just that. We don't score, we often don't create & we concede cheaply on every away trip. Much to work on tbh, but we'll be in and around the top 3 I'm sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 21:58:32 GMT 1
I don't know why people are expecting quality all the time either, just because we've spent a lot. That is not just going to happen and to expect it to is ridiculous. Look at some of the other squads out there, you may say they're weaker but performing better. At the moment Shrewsbury are not performing in the 90 minutes only the pitch, and that needs to change. Ill give any registered user ten pounds cash if they can make sense of this pile of nonsense? The last sentence may as well be Chinese
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 22:12:36 GMT 1
Patience fellas - give the guy some time. We're not getting battered on our travels and could have easily gotten a much better return on our travels so far this season. Clearly things in front of goal need to improve but there's hardly massive changes that are needed, either in the team or squad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 22:20:47 GMT 1
The ''Drama Queens'' will be not be happy now untill he goes. Then again they will probably be feeling like a ''Pig in s**t'' as they've got a target to moan at.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 22:32:14 GMT 1
I attended the first 5 away fixtures last season. 2 defeats and 3 draws (League One). This season I have attended 5 of the first six. 3 defeats 2 draws (League 2). Last season's strike force-Bradshaw + A.N.Other. Central midfield-Wildig/Summerfield. This season's strike force-Collins/Vernon/Mangan/Akpa Akpro. Central midfield-Woods/Wes.
On the surface we ought to be better off. So what is going wrong?
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Post by jonbond on Oct 4, 2014 22:37:35 GMT 1
The problem is we have strikers with poor career goal records ( Collins is our best in the league with 1 in 4), allied to a midfield who do not score at all . Under GT apart from the last few games we did have goalscorers all over the pitch . The likes of Wroe , Richards , Wright were all good for a goal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 22:40:58 GMT 1
The problem is we have strikers with poor career goal records ( Collins is our best in the league with 1 in 4), allied to a midfield who do not score at all . Under GT apart from the last few games we did have goalscorers all over the pitch . The likes of Wroe , Richards , Wright were all good for a goal. Don't forget Ainsworth
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Post by El Presidente on Oct 4, 2014 22:45:37 GMT 1
I don't know why people are expecting quality all the time either, just because we've spent a lot. That is not just going to happen and to expect it to is ridiculous. Look at some of the other squads out there, you may say they're weaker but performing better. At the moment Shrewsbury are not performing in the 90 minutes only the pitch, and that needs to change. Ill give any registered user ten pounds cash if they can make sense of this pile of nonsense? Basically, what Fran said is, we expect too much. But we're not performing well, so we should expect better.
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Post by jonbond on Oct 4, 2014 22:53:54 GMT 1
The problem is we have strikers with poor career goal records ( Collins is our best in the league with 1 in 4), allied to a midfield who do not score at all . Under GT apart from the last few games we did have goalscorers all over the pitch . The likes of Wroe , Richards , Wright were all good for a goal. Don't forget Ainsworth I've blocked your posts so I don't know what you've put but at a guess id say it's something sarcastic about Lionel Ainsworth who would walk into our side right now. If not I apologise .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 23:08:22 GMT 1
Don't forget Ainsworth I've blocked your posts so I don't know what you've put but at a guess id say it's something sarcastic about Lionel Ainsworth who would walk into our side right now. If not I apologise . Doesn't seem to be walking into his own struggling team to be honest
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Post by Blummy on Oct 4, 2014 23:14:26 GMT 1
We've only played about a 1/3 of the season, would prefer to get any problems in the team ironed out now and hit the ground running in the close season, the table means nothing at the moment, I remember a few seasons ago Wycombe went the first 18 games unbeaten and then only just made the play off s so nothing to panic about yet, if were still in the same position in January then maybe its time to be concerned, but dont forget its a brand new squad with only a fraction of players who were here last year so it will take time to gel.. Bring on the Chelksi
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Post by venceremos on Oct 4, 2014 23:27:16 GMT 1
Is it Jacko that needs to take a walk? Different players, different league, but similar problems? Of course. It's always the assistant manager's fault. Stands to reason.
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Post by onthepitch on Oct 4, 2014 23:43:40 GMT 1
Is it Jacko that needs to take a walk? Different players, different league, but similar problems? Of course. It's always the assistant manager's fault. Stands to reason. Well, I don't know, just asking the question. It seems logical to me to look at the training methods as it's the only common denominator (I can think of) in two teams with similar problems?
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Post by owdlad on Oct 5, 2014 0:25:45 GMT 1
Anybody thinking that the prospect of playing against Chelsea might be a factor?
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Post by markglasgow on Oct 5, 2014 0:54:38 GMT 1
Of course. It's always the assistant manager's fault. Stands to reason. Well, I don't know, just asking the question. It seems logical to me to look at the training methods as it's the only common denominator (I can think of) in two teams with similar problems? His training methods seemed fine last time we were in this division. I do feel for Mellon however, as he should have been allowed to bring in his own number two. Not be saddled with a former manager who lost the dressing room when we needed unity the most.
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Post by new2baa on Oct 5, 2014 1:03:52 GMT 1
Personally think Mellon so far has been quite diplomatic in his approach and integrating himself as Manager. New Club and new squad but was keen to keep the continuity through Jackson. What I now see is that he has listened and learned from Jacko, who has been spending too much time in Mellon's ear at matches. Time is now for Micky to be the manager and tell people what needs to happen and for him not to listen about how he should play his team.
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Post by franthetownfan on Oct 5, 2014 4:15:43 GMT 1
Ill give any registered user ten pounds cash if they can make sense of this pile of nonsense? Basically, what Fran said is, we expect too much. But we're not performing well, so we should expect better. Another reason I started posting less on here, I'm sure it was fairly obvious what I meant, but alas. I mean what, one word possibly two that was wrong? You act like I've just said something really offensive. We're meant to be fans and share a common interest when it comes to the club, not jumping to correct everyone's poor English. I'm sure if you would have done that away from your computer you'd have run into trouble right about now. Sure, my English isn't incredible but if you have a problem with it, PM me instead of trying to single me out in front of everyone for personal gain, or whatever.
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Post by littlebluefoot on Oct 5, 2014 5:45:42 GMT 1
Anybody thinking that the prospect of playing against Chelsea might be a factor? A factor for whom? The players? The Manager? The crowd? The catering staff? Are you saying that we aren't playing well away because we are focussed on the Chelsea game? I would sincerely hope not. We have done exceptionally well to get to this stage in this competition and although I, we, the team, would love to progress and cause an upset, this is in all probability will be the end (look at the defeatist in me there!) What I'm saying is, the cup game is just one game and a lucrative one at that; the league is what we should be concentrating on at this time. We have several more games before the cup game so it shouldn't be a factor. Can you ellaborate what context you mean by your statement please.
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Post by littlebluefoot on Oct 5, 2014 5:51:33 GMT 1
For a thread to be made regarding Mellon?! this early in the season is a knee-jerk reaction to not winning every game. Yes, on paper our squad should be doing better away but we have at least started to build a fortress at home and hopefully in time, that form will transfer to our away days.
But look at what and Mellon has done and signed, yes signed! We have actually signed players, and decent ones at that. If GT was still here, would those players have signed for him? Without Mellon we wouldn't have got the likes of MW and then we wouldn't have got the likes of, hold on, what is it?, yes the Loggerheads! If we were languishing in the relegation zone without a cup run and not scoring any goals and still having the clipart lion then perhaps this thread could have been started, but at this stage? Really?
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Post by shrewder on Oct 5, 2014 7:01:44 GMT 1
Here's a thought, the last time we played Chelsea in 2003 we got relegated to the Conference in the same season.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 5, 2014 7:31:18 GMT 1
But look at what and Mellon has done and signed, yes signed! We have actually signed players, and decent ones at that. If GT was still here, would those players have signed for him? GT got us promoted out of this division. He actually put a side together two seasons on the bounce that were good enough to get us out of this division. It was only because of that daft linesman giving that goal to Wycombe that we didn't go up the first season. So would GT have been able to sign the players we currently have? No idea. But I do know he would have been able to put a side together who would be competing for promotion. Why would I say that? Because the last two seasons we were at this level under GT he did just that. Is this how high we have now set the bar? Signing players to permanent contracts in a division we know that we can compete at financially? I'm pretty sure that when we last went up from this division under Turner he signed players to permanent contracts too. So did Simpson. Peters too. Every single manager who has managed Shrewsbury Town at this level has been able to put a side together of players on permanent contracts. The only time we went to the loan system was when we were in the 3rd division. Why? Well I have no idea whether that root and branch report is completed and will be shared. So can we please stop this? Mellon signing players to permanent contracts doesn't mean s**t...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 7:39:40 GMT 1
But look at what and Mellon has done and signed, yes signed! We have actually signed players, and decent ones at that. If GT was still here, would those players have signed for him? GT got us promoted out of this division. He actually put a side together two seasons on the bounce that were good enough to get us out of this division. It was only because of that daft linesman giving that goal to Wycombe that we didn't go up the first season. So would GT have been able to sign the players we currently have? No idea. But I do know he would have been able to put a side together who would be competing for promotion. Why would I say that? Because the last two seasons we were at this level under GT he did just that. Is this how high we have now set the bar? Signing players to permanent contracts in a division we know that we can compete at financially? I'm pretty sure that when we last went up from this division under Turner he signed players to permanent contracts too. So did Simpson. Peters too. Every single manager who has managed Shrewsbury Town at this level has been able to put a side together of players on permanent contracts. The only time we went to the loan system was when we were in the 3rd division. Why? Well I have no idea whether that root and branch report is completed and will be shared. So can we please stop this? Mellon signing players to permanent contracts doesn't mean s**t... Absolutely top post. For those who seemed to have forgotten (or didn't appreciate it at the time) GT did a great job in his first 2 seasons back with us and met many of our expectations in the 3rd season. It's early days still with Mellon but GTs achievements in his early seasons back with us, remain the benchmark.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 8:13:34 GMT 1
If the difficult working relationship between RW and MW continues and MW walks I wonder if MM will follow. So the he'll be out anyway.
But anyway this is about perspectives. In the Star this week MM stated he has seen improvements on and off the pitch.
In regard to our away form we are seeing the same old . The home form is fine, but that will change as our defensive unit isn't good enough and continues to give poor /average teams chances.
By the time we get to York we could quite easily be on 4 straight defeats. From our perspective that Mellon comment will look ridiculous.
Another problem Mellon will have is the comment he made pre-season that we'll have a team to be proud of and a team that will endeavour to play the right way. By hook and by crook we need a team that can win away. If it means playing ugly then so be it. Listening to the last 10 minutes on the way home from Brum Elliot suggested we had delivered 30 crosses of which 5 were decent. At any level that is **** poor and as we know we have quality in the side it already points to a mental problem that is a worry at this stage of the season.
So far the parallels with 08/09 are striking. The problem this season is that there appears to be no team that will get deducted 10 points.
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Post by shrewd67 on Oct 5, 2014 8:51:39 GMT 1
Patience fellas - give the guy some time. We're not getting battered on our travels and could have easily gotten a much better return on our travels so far this season. Clearly things in front of goal need to improve but there's hardly massive changes that are needed, either in the team or squad. Agree that the assembled squad is largely adequate but we are underperforming, which is concerning. Fact is, irrespective of what might have been, our away form is that of a relegation candidate.
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Post by shrewswolf on Oct 5, 2014 9:10:58 GMT 1
If the difficult working relationship between RW and MW continues and MW walks I wonder if MM will follow. So the he'll be out anyway. First I've heard of this.
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Post by El Presidente on Oct 5, 2014 10:00:11 GMT 1
Basically, what Fran said is, we expect too much. But we're not performing well, so we should expect better. Another reason I started posting less on here, I'm sure it was fairly obvious what I meant, but alas. I mean what, one word possibly two that was wrong? You act like I've just said something really offensive. We're meant to be fans and share a common interest when it comes to the club, not jumping to correct everyone's poor English. I'm sure if you would have done that away from your computer you'd have run into trouble right about now. Sure, my English isn't incredible but if you have a problem with it, PM me instead of trying to single me out in front of everyone for personal gain, or whatever. I love a good witch hunt! I didn't single you out Fran. Someone else did, I simply joined in with the purile cyber playground games. Most of my posting on here is done in the finest traditions of banter. I think it's a little ott to suggest my comment on your post was to single you out, make personal gain or in response to any offensive comments you made! Read the thread again.
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