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Post by shrewforever on Sept 17, 2014 12:25:44 GMT 1
Good reaction save from JL onto the bar last night.........
Still not his greatest fan but credit where its due.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 12:29:04 GMT 1
Great save, no doubt about it.
Still not convinced by him though, there was one corner late on when the ball came into him at chest height with no one round him and he decided to punch. You want a keeper to take a control, particularly in the nevery last few minutes, instead he was rooted to his line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 12:45:58 GMT 1
That was an absolutely world class save.
Have said all along that I believe he has all the makings of a good goalkeeper and given time could be a real asset to us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 13:04:40 GMT 1
Have to say I was impressed with the Stevenage keeper Sam Beasant last Saturday!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 13:23:35 GMT 1
JL punching the ball will cost us a few points this season, along with his poor kicking, the punch that PS is on about was late in the first half and was easily catchable, and was saved by someone being offside, otherwise the pressure was staright back on the defence where a simple catch would have relieved all pressure.
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Post by RBA on Sept 17, 2014 13:57:46 GMT 1
Great save
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Post by Exkeeper on Sept 17, 2014 14:26:36 GMT 1
I honestly can't see why so many keepers nowadays elect to punch a ball that they can get two hands on, and I include England's No. 1 in that. With the modern gloves the ball sticks, as the saying goes, " like sh•t to a blanket", and even if the drop a cross whilst under pressure, most refs tend to give them the benefit of the doubt and give them a free kick.
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Fair play
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Sept 17, 2014 15:42:58 GMT 1
Match winning save , fair play . But twice punched/ flapped at things and 1 shocking kick ,
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Post by jamo on Sept 17, 2014 18:01:40 GMT 1
I honestly can't see why so many keepers nowadays elect to punch a ball that they can get two hands on, and I include England's No. 1 in that. With the modern gloves the ball sticks, as the saying goes, " like sh•t to a blanket", and even if the drop a cross whilst under pressure, most refs tend to give them the benefit of the doubt and give them a free kick. That has to be a coaching issue, they must be being trained to punch, there is no other explanation for why, unchallenged any keeper would choose that option. So frustrating.
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Post by chameleon on Sept 17, 2014 18:12:34 GMT 1
Don't mind a good punch out, it can work as a good counter attack, looking at the positive side.
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Post by filmcrewshrew on Sept 17, 2014 20:50:33 GMT 1
Only seen it properly on the YouTube channel & got to say...top save, got us 2 points last night, well done JL!!!
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 17, 2014 21:14:49 GMT 1
World class save. His style scares the hell out of me but it is effective.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 18, 2014 12:25:59 GMT 1
I honestly can't see why so many keepers nowadays elect to punch a ball that they can get two hands on, and I include England's No. 1 in that. With the modern gloves the ball sticks, as the saying goes, " like sh•t to a blanket", and even if the drop a cross whilst under pressure, most refs tend to give them the benefit of the doubt and give them a free kick. That has to be a coaching issue, they must be being trained to punch, there is no other explanation for why, unchallenged any keeper would choose that option. So frustrating. I agree it must be how keepers are coached and it baffles me sometimes. On the other hand, if a goalkeeper has a good punching technique, it shouldn't be any more risky than a defensive header and the first priority has to be to make it safe. Do keepers miss their catch or fumble the ball as often as they make a bad punch? I don't know but I expect someone's kept stats somewhere. I guess it's about percentages and it's probably easier to punch a ball than try to catch it in a crowd of players. I can see both sides of this debate and I think there'd be no real issue if the keeper's strong and secure with the punch.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 18, 2014 12:34:35 GMT 1
JL punching the ball will cost us a few points this season, along with his poor kicking, the punch that PS is on about was late in the first half and was easily catchable, and was saved by someone being offside, otherwise the pressure was staright back on the defence where a simple catch would have relieved all pressure. Maybe so but, genuine question, has his punching cost us any points so far? I understand the nervousness around keepers punching it but I don't know whether the actual outcome makes it any more risky. My guess would be it doesn't, or else keepers wouldn't be coached to do it so often. We need to get Danny Coyne to a Q&A! Why do you think his kicking's poor? Again, a genuine question as I think he's pretty good myself - doesn't seem to find touch directly as often as Weale did and has a nice way of chipping it into the midfield rather than overhitting it straight to the opposition defence. Chipped a lovely pass out to Grandison on Tuesday - as good as any from the midfielders.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 12:37:36 GMT 1
I bet Luton fans wish their keeper punched when it resulted in our 2nd against them!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 12:59:53 GMT 1
That has to be a coaching issue, they must be being trained to punch, there is no other explanation for why, unchallenged any keeper would choose that option. So frustrating. I agree it must be how keepers are coached and it baffles me sometimes. On the other hand, if a goalkeeper has a good punching technique, it shouldn't be any more risky than a defensive header and the first priority has to be to make it safe. The difference is if a keeper catches the ball then it ends the attack, takes the sting out and relieves the pressure. But punching it out will inevitably see the ball back with the opposition and they are continuing the attack. When your 1-0 up in the last minute, the opposition are piling on the pressure and throwing lots of crosses into the box, there will be a massive cheer when a keeper comes out and collects the ball.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 18, 2014 15:43:14 GMT 1
I agree it must be how keepers are coached and it baffles me sometimes. On the other hand, if a goalkeeper has a good punching technique, it shouldn't be any more risky than a defensive header and the first priority has to be to make it safe. The difference is if a keeper catches the ball then it ends the attack, takes the sting out and relieves the pressure. But punching it out will inevitably see the ball back with the opposition and they are continuing the attack. When your 1-0 up in the last minute, the opposition are piling on the pressure and throwing lots of crosses into the box, there will be a massive cheer when a keeper comes out and collects the ball. That's true, as long as he makes a clean catch and distributes it well. If he doesn't, it could be much worse and my point was that I presume the coaches believe the percentages work in favour of the punch over the possibility of a mistake with the attempted catch. Why else would modern keepers do it so much? I don't know whether that's the right thing to do but Leutwiler's no different to a great many keepers in punching it. I wouldn't say that punching "inevitably" means the opposition gets the ball back. We should have enough players in advanced defensive positions to collect or challenge for it, the same as we would if a defender made a headed clearance.
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