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Post by jamo on Sept 15, 2014 19:34:24 GMT 1
Some will be aware of this, others won't. But should be!
Of those that do what are your thoughts ?
l Think the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) is an extremely dangerous proposed trade deal between the EU and USA that if adopted poses a profound and irreversible threat to public services, which will not only lead to further liberalisation but will make it harder for government to regulate private companies providing public services. It could effectively prevent a future government bringing those services back in-house.
The full implications for us all - irrespective of who you vote for are frightening. That the NHS could disappear for ever is the biggest and most immediate threat but everything else is also up for grabs by American opportunists.
Absolutely scary.
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Sept 15, 2014 20:21:47 GMT 1
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Sept 15, 2014 20:21:47 GMT 1
I've come across this before. This will happen and will cause untold carnage for us all.
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Post by calimero on Sept 15, 2014 20:25:58 GMT 1
One of the main reasons I voted Green in the Euro elections was that they were the only party firmly against this.
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Sept 15, 2014 21:01:20 GMT 1
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 15, 2014 21:01:20 GMT 1
One of the main reasons I voted Green in the Euro elections was that they were the only party firmly against this. Same here. It might look good for some people in the short term, but most of us won't even notice until its too late.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 15, 2014 21:43:29 GMT 1
It certainly looks to be a serious blow for people who wish to live in a society rather than an economy, in particular ISDS is an outright threat to civil society. Section 8 of the linked document explains.
John Hilary
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 15, 2014 22:22:48 GMT 1
what can we do about it?
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Sept 15, 2014 22:44:40 GMT 1
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Post by calimero on Sept 15, 2014 22:44:40 GMT 1
Write to your MP, vote Green, join a protest etc. Not saying any of these things will be succesful but all you can do is try.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 8:11:10 GMT 1
There isn’t a lot we can do about it, because nobody knows about it.
Witness the recent EU elections where the narrative was about immigration and UKIP who of course support TTIP.
While everyone is worried about handing sovereignty to the EU our politicians will quietly hand it to multinationals.
It will be the death of social democracy a system that has improved living standards around Europe since the Second World War.
The markets will demand a flexible work force which in turn means wages will be kept low. The masses will be so scared wondering where there next pound/euro is coming from that they will comply for fear of never working.
Meanwhile T & C’s will deteriorate and changes to TUPE regulations mean that workers are no longer protected from contractual changes for economic, technical, or organisational reasons.
I really worry about our children’s and grandchildren’s futures.
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 16, 2014 9:06:54 GMT 1
To be brutally honest, F*** ALL. Our elected representatives are pretty much all agreed that this is happening and the likes of you and me complaining about it ain't going to make one iota of difference. There probably won't be much change to start off with, but over the next few years we will start to see changes in how multi-nationals employ people, more zero hour contracts, holidays cut, etc. We'll also start to see changes in how the NHS is run, less free treatment, more cuts to services, etc. As calimero said the only party against it are the Greens and they are still too much of a fringe party to make a difference. Like Nicko, I too fear for the futures of my children and grandchildren. I know we've people from the whole political spectrum on here from Neo-fascists like LSF and Tory tw@ts like Windy, through to limp Labour boys like Nursie and commies like Jamo and none of their parties are actually against this and that actually scares me. What are the political classes expecting from TTIP? Do they actually care that they are selling our democracy for 30 pieces of silver? Do enough people know what this legislation will do to our country? Where is the press coverage? Where are the pros and cons being shown to people so that they can make an informed decision? I might have to move to Scotland as they will not be part of the UK after Thursday and therefore not ruled by this cr*p. At least until they suck up and join the EU, then they'll be f**ked too.
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Post by calimero on Sept 16, 2014 9:53:52 GMT 1
There isn’t a lot we can do about it, because nobody knows about it. Witness the recent EU elections where the narrative was about immigration and UKIP who of course support TTIP. While everyone is worried about handing sovereignty to the EU our politicians will quietly hand it to multinationals. It will be the death of social democracy a system that has improved living standards around Europe since the Second World War. The markets will demand a flexible work force which in turn means wages will be kept low. The masses will be so scared wondering where there next pound/euro is coming from that they will comply for fear of never working. Meanwhile T & C’s will deteriorate and changes to TUPE regulations mean that workers are no longer protected from contractual changes for economic, technical, or organisational reasons. I really worry about our children’s and grandchildren’s futures. Very well put.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 11:08:23 GMT 1
To be brutally honest, F*** ALL. Our elected representatives are pretty much all agreed that this is happening and the likes of you and me complaining about it ain't going to make one iota of difference. There probably won't be much change to start off with, but over the next few years we will start to see changes in how multi-nationals employ people, more zero hour contracts, holidays cut, etc. We'll also start to see changes in how the NHS is run, less free treatment, more cuts to services, etc. As calimero said the only party against it are the Greens and they are still too much of a fringe party to make a difference. Like Nicko, I too fear for the futures of my children and grandchildren. I know we've people from the whole political spectrum on here from Neo-fascists like LSF and Tory tw@ts like Windy, through to limp Labour boys like Nursie and commies like Jamo and none of their parties are actually against this and that actually scares me. What are the political classes expecting from TTIP? Do they actually care that they are selling our democracy for 30 pieces of silver? Do enough people know what this legislation will do to our country? Where is the press coverage? Where are the pros and cons being shown to people so that they can make an informed decision? I might have to move to Scotland as they will not be part of the UK after Thursday and therefore not ruled by this cr*p. At least until they suck up and join the EU, then they'll be f**ked too. Managed to insult almost everyone, well done..... Just gutted i do not appear!!
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 16, 2014 11:09:23 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29181332Get ready for the Americanization of public health in the UK and don't forget that like the rest of TTIP it will be irreversible.I hope everyone out there in B&A land has got their private medical insurance sorted out. If not, it might be a good time to start making plans.
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 16, 2014 11:11:15 GMT 1
To be brutally honest, F*** ALL. Our elected representatives are pretty much all agreed that this is happening and the likes of you and me complaining about it ain't going to make one iota of difference. There probably won't be much change to start off with, but over the next few years we will start to see changes in how multi-nationals employ people, more zero hour contracts, holidays cut, etc. We'll also start to see changes in how the NHS is run, less free treatment, more cuts to services, etc. As calimero said the only party against it are the Greens and they are still too much of a fringe party to make a difference. Like Nicko, I too fear for the futures of my children and grandchildren. I know we've people from the whole political spectrum on here from Neo-fascists like LSF and Tory tw@ts like Windy, through to limp Labour boys like Nursie and commies like Jamo and none of their parties are actually against this and that actually scares me. What are the political classes expecting from TTIP? Do they actually care that they are selling our democracy for 30 pieces of silver? Do enough people know what this legislation will do to our country? Where is the press coverage? Where are the pros and cons being shown to people so that they can make an informed decision? I might have to move to Scotland as they will not be part of the UK after Thursday and therefore not ruled by this cr*p. At least until they suck up and join the EU, then they'll be f**ked too. Managed to insult almost everyone, well done..... Just gutted i do not appear!! I aim to please. Just assume that you're in there with Windy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 11:22:23 GMT 1
Windy the w****r has changed allegencies to Nigel and his merry bunch of racists....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 11:31:00 GMT 1
Limp Leftie?
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 16, 2014 11:40:06 GMT 1
Windy the w****r has changed allegencies to Nigel and his merry bunch of racists.... I stand corrected. Lump him in with LSF and his neo-fascist chums and you can take his place with the Tory tw@ts. Seriously though, all of the mainstream parties (and the nutters at UKIP) appear to be blindly in favour. There must some good things about it, but why aren't they discussed openly so that we can decide whether or not to oppose it? We aren't even been allowed to hear about it in the mainstream press, but maybe that's got more to do with Murdoch than the politicians. Vested interests?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 12:25:33 GMT 1
The main parties believe that it will boost the economies of Europe and provide a much needed kick start, much like the Marshall Plan post 1945.
The difference is the Marshall Plan helped implement a series of socially beneficial programs while TTIP will provide the opposite. Profits will go to shareholders.
We are told that the threat to our very social fabric, way of life and ‘values’ is provided by a small minority of Islamic fundamentalists. Meanwhile, almost unnoticed, American companies such as United Health and HCA heavily invest in the NHS. The very fabric of the post 1945 agreement is under threat, the organisation that underpins our unique healthcare system and one of the institutions that make us British is being dismantled by our allies.
If it wasn’t so serious I’d be ****ing myself with the absurdity of it all.
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Post by atcham jack on Sept 16, 2014 16:49:10 GMT 1
cannot see EU going for any agreement that affects working conditions for workers. cannot see good old labour going for it either. Tories would lap it up , just up their street privatising NHS. sounds like right wing Republican Tea party idea.
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 16, 2014 17:10:08 GMT 1
cannot see EU going for any agreement that affects working conditions for workers. cannot see good old labour going for it either. Tories would lap it up , just up their street privatising NHS. sounds like right wing Republican Tea party idea. The problem is Jack that they are all up for it, Labour are no longer the party for the working man and are just far up the corporate derieres as the Tories are.
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