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Post by SheffieldShrew on Sept 9, 2014 12:56:27 GMT 1
Fear that they might say that, despite the overwhelming majority in favour of change, the relatively low number that voted suggests most Town fans are not interested in changing the badge. That would be a big and dangerous assumption to make. The supporters club carried out a survey and managed to obtain the opinion of 1,171 supporters. Of the people polled 91.5% were in favour of a new badge. A sample of 1,171 of the overall fan base of approx 5,000, is 23% - that is a MASSIVE sample to take in surveying terms. MORI typically carry out a few thousand surveys and use this to infer the opinion of populations of tens of millions of people. For practical reasons you are never going to be able to seek out the opinion of everyone, lots of people don't read B&A, won't have been asked, read about it on the internet etc. The people involved did an amazing job to get such a relatively large sample. I myself would love a return to the loggerheads but I didn't vote. Why? Because I'm busy / lazy and didn't get round to it. To infer that people didn't respond to the survey because they aren't bothered is madness.
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Post by Dan F on Sept 9, 2014 13:01:57 GMT 1
This could be very disappointing if true, but for me the events of the last few months never gave me the faith I once had in Roland back. Without even considering the football side, things appeared to be on a better course, sure - but they shouldn't have needed to have been addressed if the root cause of it all hadn't been there in the first place. If you're going to run it as a business, run it as business - not some silly hybrid dictatorship.
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Post by atcham jack on Sept 9, 2014 13:20:48 GMT 1
if this rumour proves to be true AJ will not be filling a padded seat at the Cheltenham game nor seeking any Hospitality. 2 can play at this game. I have written 2 letters online yesterday to the Star. the third one, if this rumour is true, is a secret at present, awaiting developments! but rest assured that from afar AJ is on the case!
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Post by atcham jack on Sept 9, 2014 13:21:49 GMT 1
on 2nd thoughts I may be in the padded seats causing a ruck. time will tell ROLAND!!
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 9, 2014 13:22:50 GMT 1
I really hope that this is nothing more than a rumour.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 13:41:18 GMT 1
Good to hear it's being discussed this afternoon. Let's refrain from views until we hear what the board have to say.
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Post by siabod on Sept 9, 2014 14:08:47 GMT 1
on 2nd thoughts I may be in the padded seats causing a ruck. time will tell ROLAND!! Just beware it's not a padded cell.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Sept 9, 2014 14:14:12 GMT 1
If every body is as angry as they make out why don't you just vote with your feet and stay away. Obviously they do not care what the vote is (if this is true ) or make your feelings known at a game by singing bring back the loggerheads . From my view you're not going to get the badge changed by typing on blue and amber .
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Post by WATR on Sept 9, 2014 14:15:45 GMT 1
From my view you're not going to get the badge changed by typing on blue and amber . No, but we should by attaining a 92% majority in an official survey. That's the point.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Sept 9, 2014 14:17:06 GMT 1
Good to hear it's being discussed this afternoon. Let's refrain from views until we hear what the board have to say. While I can see where you're coming from, I personally think that it's important we communicate the strength of our feelings before the meeting - it's never too late to convince someone of the error of their ways. If you're reading Roland, remember this; the 91% will not forget.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Sept 9, 2014 14:18:53 GMT 1
From my view you're not going to get the badge changed by typing on blue and amber . No, but we should by attaining a 92% majority in an official survey. That's the point. the club obviously look at it as 80% of people aren't bothered .
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Post by mattmw on Sept 9, 2014 14:32:19 GMT 1
No, but we should by attaining a 92% majority in an official survey. That's the point. the club obviously look at it as 80% of people aren't bothered . If that is the case (which I doubt) it's a major mistake. All we know for sure is many people on the supporter data base didn't cast a vote. Making any assumption on how they think about the badge is just guess work I would argue that many people didn't know about the vote. My Dad isn't on the Internet and didn't know about the vote - despite getting a season ticket there was no voting slip included! He would have voted to change the badge but wasn't informed by the club a vote was taking place.
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Post by Dan F on Sept 9, 2014 14:39:34 GMT 1
No, but we should by attaining a 92% majority in an official survey. That's the point. the club obviously look at it as 80% of people aren't bothered . If that was the case, then their lack of understanding of representative sampling would underline my 'hybrid' point.
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Sept 9, 2014 14:39:48 GMT 1
Is there 5000 on the data base ? It would be a bit strange that the average attendance is the amount on it.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Sept 9, 2014 14:53:20 GMT 1
No, but we should by attaining a 92% majority in an official survey. That's the point. the club obviously look at it as 80% of people aren't bothered . Already been addressed above by SheffieldShrew. Next?
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Sept 9, 2014 15:05:05 GMT 1
the club obviously look at it as 80% of people aren't bothered . Already been addressed above by SheffieldShrew. Next? next what ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 15:15:55 GMT 1
1000 in favour of change out of a fan base of 5000 isn't correct.
Fred in the boardroom informs me that the club have a database of 16000.
1000 in favour in Roland's eyes might not be a convincing number
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 15:16:46 GMT 1
Is there 5000 on the data base ? It would be a bit strange that the average attendance is the amount on it. There was a mention of 16,000 at the SP but not sure if that was the target MW wanted on the database. I would think it is at least 10,000!
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Post by mattmw on Sept 9, 2014 15:23:19 GMT 1
Would be interesting to know how much information the data base gives the club?
I know a couple of my mates are on it having registered to buy tickets in the promotion season. However they are in no way Town fans and have only been to maybe 5 games in 7 years at the new ground.
Would be good to know breakdown of how many are on the database v regular attendance of say more than ten home games a season.
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Post by smithy1 on Sept 9, 2014 15:34:17 GMT 1
What the chairman and board decide is good enough for me. As long as we see the players do well on the pitch does it really matter what badge is on the shirt? In Roland we trust was a phrase used a lot when we were making so many signings prior to the start of the season.Nothing has changed in my eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 15:36:25 GMT 1
As long as we see the players do well on the pitch does it really matter what badge is on the shirt? Yes.
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Post by camdenshrew on Sept 9, 2014 15:45:16 GMT 1
I wasn't particularly bothered by this issue to begin with but after the shambles of last season, it took on a new significance for me indicating a "board" which was stagnating, increasingly contemptuous of its fans and with a knack for scoring PR own goals.
If this rumour is true then it will be put a huge dent in the feelgood factor, show the chairman to be completely out of touch with many supporters and possibly hit attendances.
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Post by smithy1 on Sept 9, 2014 15:47:13 GMT 1
Ok fair enough but can you answer this question honestly,when we beat Accrington 4-0 or we beat Leicester did you think that would of been a better victory with out clippy on the shirt? My guess is clippy didn't even enter anyone mind while we were celebrating those wins.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 9, 2014 15:51:04 GMT 1
As long as we see the players do well on the pitch does it really matter what badge is on the shirt? Yes.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Sept 9, 2014 16:02:03 GMT 1
I hope the badge does get changed to the loggerheads; however, I wonder if the proposed costs of changing the badge on everything from shirts, training gear, front of the main stand, in the tunnel area, plates and cups, stationary is a factor?
Would people be happy just to see a change of badge on the shirt and things you can buy in the club shop – or do you want it changed everywhere?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 16:02:53 GMT 1
What the chairman and board decide is good enough for me. As long as we see the players do well on the pitch does it really matter what badge is on the shirt? In Roland we trust was a phrase used a lot when we were making so many signings prior to the start of the season.Nothing has changed in my eyes. For the millionth time. Players come and go, most of them we can’t even remember. Results fluctuate. The only constant at this football Club is us and our identity, heritage and history. A badge that reflects that is important.
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Post by Catalyst Cartel on Sept 9, 2014 16:03:46 GMT 1
Change it all over time as everything has a sell by date.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 16:03:53 GMT 1
Police hold back B & A members in order that Smithy1 can get a headstart..........
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Post by mattmw on Sept 9, 2014 16:05:20 GMT 1
What the chairman and board decide is good enough for me. As long as we see the players do well on the pitch does it really matter what badge is on the shirt? In Roland we trust was a phrase used a lot when we were making so many signings prior to the start of the season.Nothing has changed in my eyes. It's not just the badge the club and/or chairman has got wrong in recent years is it though? Atmosphere at the ground; lack of supporter facilities and engagement; poor contract negotiations with playing staff; problems with kit supply etc have been ongoing issues showing a lack of commercial nous at the club resulting in some pretty big losses. Having a clip art logo kinda represents a club lacking commercial direction which ultimately saw us fail miserably to compete in league one despite seeming to have better resources than many other sides As great as our season has started it's based on some good signings which will only stay if the off field income increases and the club becomes financially sustainable Having a comedy lion as the focus of the club ain't going to achieve long term success
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Post by atcham jack on Sept 9, 2014 16:05:27 GMT 1
never vote with your feet, too much respect for the players and management team who have got us off to a great start to the season. it is board and MW discussing the vote this afternoon, let us see what transpires. Floreat Salopia from my padded cell in Devon. I don't mind telling you my 2 "lucky" Teddy Bears Roland and Graham are p**sy as hell this afternoon.
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