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Post by mattmw on Aug 19, 2014 13:35:31 GMT 1
Worth remembering that the travel plan and parking arrangements for matches are part of the planning permission for the ground, and changes to the agreement have to meet planning laws at a national and local level
In the original planning application the travel plan was put in to try to discourage fans from coming to games and causing congestion on the immediate road network ie Meole Island and Dobbies Island. Hence the shuttle bus arrangements and relatively high parking charges near the ground.
Broadly that's worked as pre and post games the local road network frees pretty clearly and 15 minutes after a game you wouldn't really know a match had been on.
Opening up the P&R is an option but would need looking at as part of the original planning application and travel plan to assess its impact
Equally STFC is a business and if the Council is seen giving them special treatment others businesses could argue they should too.
I'm sure there is middle ground and an agreement to be made, but its not just as simple as opening a gate and letting fans use the site. Lot of work has to go on behind the scenes to make it happen and met the respective rules and regulations
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Post by ambergambler on Aug 19, 2014 14:51:08 GMT 1
Toys r us were charging £4 a car on Saturday so does that mean tonight the signs have come down and we can park there. Or as Toys r Us is open till 8 i would imagine a £4 charge may still be valid.
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 19, 2014 15:15:34 GMT 1
Worth remembering that the travel plan and parking arrangements for matches are part of the planning permission for the ground, and changes to the agreement have to meet planning laws at a national and local level In the original planning application the travel plan was put in to try to discourage fans from coming to games and causing congestion on the immediate road network ie Meole Island and Dobbies Island. Hence the shuttle bus arrangements and relatively high parking charges near the ground. Broadly that's worked as pre and post games the local road network frees pretty clearly and 15 minutes after a game you wouldn't really know a match had been on. Opening up the P&R is an option but would need looking at as part of the original planning application and travel plan to assess its impact Equally STFC is a business and if the Council is seen giving them special treatment others businesses could argue they should too. I'm sure there is middle ground and an agreement to be made, but its not just as simple as opening a gate and letting fans use the site. Lot of work has to go on behind the scenes to make it happen and met the respective rules and regulations It was used for the last couple of seasons though...
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 19, 2014 15:29:35 GMT 1
Worth remembering that the travel plan and parking arrangements for matches are part of the planning permission for the ground, and changes to the agreement have to meet planning laws at a national and local level In the original planning application the travel plan was put in to try to discourage fans from coming to games and causing congestion on the immediate road network ie Meole Island and Dobbies Island. Hence the shuttle bus arrangements and relatively high parking charges near the ground. Broadly that's worked as pre and post games the local road network frees pretty clearly and 15 minutes after a game you wouldn't really know a match had been on. Opening up the P&R is an option but would need looking at as part of the original planning application and travel plan to assess its impact Equally STFC is a business and if the Council is seen giving them special treatment others businesses could argue they should too. I'm sure there is middle ground and an agreement to be made, but its not just as simple as opening a gate and letting fans use the site. Lot of work has to go on behind the scenes to make it happen and met the respective rules and regulations "The original travel plan was put in to discourage fans from coming to games". Out of context I know but it certainly seems to be having that effect.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 19, 2014 15:58:03 GMT 1
I don't believe that Shropshire Council would be prohibited from using their own car park, for non park & ride use, due to any planning regulations. Unfortunately it's not a Council car park as such but a Park and Ride site built due to a 106 agreement with the Meole Brace retail park, and registered as a Park and Ride site under planning legislation. As a result its rate value and use is down to different legislation than a "normal" car park such as Abbey Foregate and Frankwell which the Council also own Should add I used to be a transport officer, not some geek who knows transport legislation Know it has been used before for parking, after the Council leader said it could be used in the promotion season. Although I do recall the Council saying it was a one off and the council leader has been known to say things in public only to find out they aren't possible at a later date Do also wonder if perhaps a complaint has been made by someone hence the withdrawal of the site. Neighbouring shops have to pay business rates on their car park so maybe they are questioning why the club gets "free" parking. Sainsburys have a planning application to expand the supermarket at the moment so that might be another factor
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 19, 2014 16:19:51 GMT 1
Neighbouring shops are happy enough to welcome the extra footfall of fans though... On a Saturday S'burys is buzzing with folks in blue and amber!!
I wonder what effect it would have if supporters boycotted these stores (not just on Saturdays) ... Maybe they would notice that a lot of us are actually their own customers and spend a fair wedge in their stores!!
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 19, 2014 22:33:04 GMT 1
A steward tonight said that it was closed as 1 lady working for marks and Spencers complained because football fans were parking for free.just 1 complaint and that happens. Nice of her if true.
Surely the park and ride being open is the better solution? If it's shut then I can see many of the roads by the ground getting the cars instead
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 19, 2014 22:41:56 GMT 1
I'm seriously thinking that we aught to start a letter writing campaign to the council about this.
Keep any eye out for some movement on this. Something that I'm going to take to the SP and feedback about what we can do.
It's mental we can't use it now.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 19, 2014 22:44:20 GMT 1
I'm seriously thinking that we aught to start a letter writing campaign to the council about this. Keep any eye out for some movement on this. Something that I'm going to take to the SP and feedback about what we can do. It's mental we can't use it now. Or if it was a worker from one of those retailers, a letter writing campaign to them or an organised boycott of all our fans from their stores?
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Post by mattmw on Aug 19, 2014 22:48:17 GMT 1
I'm seriously thinking that we aught to start a letter writing campaign to the council about this. Keep any eye out for some movement on this. Something that I'm going to take to the SP and feedback about what we can do. It's mental we can't use it now. Might not be the best idea to be honest. Genuinely don't think the issue is with the Council on this one more the wider policies relating to park and ride sites, and the club/fans getting upset with the council won't help the situation Also probably best not to base all thoughts on the subject on the words of a steward
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Aug 19, 2014 23:16:11 GMT 1
There is a solution to this. If the site has a stipulation that it can only be used as a park and ride venue, then let's let people park there and bus football folk to the ground. I wouldn't begrudge paying £1.60 for the privilege.
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Post by owdlad on Aug 19, 2014 23:38:20 GMT 1
There is a solution to this. If the site has a stipulation that it can only be used as a park and ride venue, then let's let people park there and bus football folk to the ground. I wouldn't begrudge paying £1.60 for the privilege. And the rest! I was thinking along the same lines. If others are charging £4 to £5 just to park then £5 per car and a shuttle bus to the ground on a cold and wet Tuesday night would be welcome. When was the traffic plan last reviewed? Also, the club applied for planning permission to increase the number of parking spaces at the ground back in February. What's happened with that?
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Aug 19, 2014 23:45:38 GMT 1
The parking arrangements at our club doesn't encourage the floating supporter to come and watch the town. In the 30 years I have followed Shrewsbury, the local authority have done their utmost to make life very difficult for the club.
I am not talking about giving financial support like the LA do at our neighbours down the A5 and where the cabinet seem to be permanent residents of the boardroom, but at Shrewsbury they could be more accommodating concerning planning consents and parking arrangements. Afterall Shrewsbury Town is responsible for bringing a lot of additional revenue into the town as a result of both home and away fans spending money in local businesses as part of the match day experience.
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Post by owdlad on Aug 20, 2014 0:21:06 GMT 1
The parking arrangements at our club doesn't encourage the floating supporter to come and watch the town. In the 30 years I have followed Shrewsbury, the local authority have done their utmost to make life very difficult for the club. I am not talking about giving financial support like the LA do at our neighbours down the A5 and where the cabinet seem to be permanent residents of the boardroom, but at Shrewsbury they could be more accommodating concerning planning consents and parking arrangements. Afterall Shrewsbury Town is responsible for bringing a lot of additional revenue into the town as a result of both home and away fans spending money in local businesses as part of the match day experience. Spot on. Maybe STFC should amalgamate with the Shropshire Horticultural Society as the council bends over backwards for them.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 20, 2014 18:47:26 GMT 1
The Shropshire star have printed an article which is basically this thread! Including several of you being quoted by your username.
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Post by owdlad on Aug 20, 2014 22:24:32 GMT 1
The Shropshire star have printed an article which is basically this thread! Including several of you being quoted by your username. On the one hand, it is testament to the quality of postings on here that the press would write an article on this thread. On the other hand, you could say that the reporter should get off his bum and follow this up by asking the powers that be for comment. He could also pick up on the accident waiting to happen on Oteley Road thanks to the perpetual roadworks. Nothing like a good bit of adverse press coverage to make things happen (Copyright 2014 Owdlad).
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Aug 21, 2014 0:49:53 GMT 1
The Shropshire star have printed an article which is basically this thread! Including several of you being quoted by your username. Without seeing the article I bet they didn't criticise the local authority.
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Post by camdenshrew on Aug 21, 2014 8:28:36 GMT 1
When will local councillors realise that the club is a vital community asset and extend the appropriate level of support?
Stop treating STFC like a permanent irritant and get behind it and the thousands of local people who support it.
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Post by atcham jack on Aug 21, 2014 9:05:21 GMT 1
excellent article. AJ and 1 other have added their comments as well!
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 21, 2014 9:59:19 GMT 1
just park on Meole Estate the signs are advisory and nothing can be done because the residents voted against parking permits
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Aug 21, 2014 10:40:39 GMT 1
Please can some juan provide the link
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 21, 2014 10:48:22 GMT 1
Don't know how to do a link but if you to the Star on line and click Home it will come up.
I wonder if the poster in reply called Dallas realises the irony of his response. Doh if the car parks were open, people wouldn't be parking in front of houses!!!!!!!!!
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Aug 21, 2014 11:01:30 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 11:43:16 GMT 1
"The Council and Shrewsbury Town have agreed that the P & R will not be available"
Why have the club agreed with this? More sales for parking at the ground or across the road, maybe?
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 21, 2014 11:51:37 GMT 1
More likely the council have caved in to any complaints received, can't see or don't want to see the advantages both for supporters and residents and somehow have put pressure on the club. Our new CEO comes over as someone who would not just give in so something must have happened.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 21, 2014 11:51:54 GMT 1
It is a bit of mud raking from the Star, that's for sure.
I just said what was patently obvious - let hundreds of us park there and we won't bother anyone else.
I would like one resident to prove that at any time, ever, since the opening of the new stadium, that any resident, ever, was "blocked" from accessing their own house. That a single driveway has ever been blocked, at any point.
There may have been a car parked outside your house, but you don't own the road outside your house, so that's a smokescreen.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 21, 2014 12:00:32 GMT 1
It is just so sad that we have a council who don't seem to want to back their local league team. After all, say the name of Manchester and however unpalatable it mat be to some of us, all over the world people think of football. Not saying we are in the same league as this (obviously!) but they could get some good publicity for the town if they really tried instead of being so negative.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 21, 2014 13:10:36 GMT 1
I blame the council, all they've got to do is leave the gates open and no one would be the wiser... as for some miserable complainer,who doesn't live in the area, what a sad life they have! Nothing to do with the club really, the parking is for the benefit of fans which the club cares little about as long as we turn up. SP please put this on your agenda, if the club are still speaking to you
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 21, 2014 13:49:19 GMT 1
The strange thing in all this is that no one (other than the council and the club of course) are none the wiser as to why this decision has been taken. And in addition to that, why a future meetings is needed to discuss the matter further. Or did I miss something?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Aug 21, 2014 14:04:37 GMT 1
Front page of the star today, and the chronicle this week, and now a feature on radio shropshire later.
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