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Post by El Presidente on Jul 11, 2014 20:13:19 GMT 1
Agree completely, this is equally as dangerous and perhaps more worrying is done in such a carefree way! Thing is it is SOOOO easy to spot - the police are just turning a blind eye to it (except when they are instructed to catch a few to "show they are doing something") I doubt this throw away statement would stand up to much scrutiny. Believe me, I spent a long time trying to 'catch' people on mobile phones, and without seat belts. The trouble is, stood by the roadside in a hi-viz vest; and driving a rather glow in the {any weather condition} car, kind of tips people off before they get close enough for dead eye dick (me) to spot the 3 inch device cunningly hidden against their shoulder. Then one has to contend with the speed of the car as you are stood still; weather conditions; other drivers flashing the approaching cars to tip them off that you are doing your job; irate motorists whining about being a cash cow/easy target/don't you have anything better to do with your time/I know the Chief Constable...etc And if you're in a car, travelling the opposite direction, you then have to weigh up if it is safe, proportionate and justifiable to do a U-turn and hare off after said breaker of the Road Traffic Act. More tricky in rush hour traffic and fast roads. However, once in my civvy car on way home, suddenly I spot them.... Sods law, I think?
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Post by slatsy on Jul 11, 2014 21:21:36 GMT 1
Definitely Sod's law. Always see drivers on their phones or driving dangerously and there is never a copper there! Can only hope one day they will get theirs!!
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Post by siabod on Jul 11, 2014 22:03:17 GMT 1
if the car park has a private sign and a locked chain, are they trespassing.? How do they get in/out ?
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Post by townfanincrewe on Jul 11, 2014 22:47:45 GMT 1
If you go on holiday in a camper van, you have your car keys in your pocket after a night in the camp bar , you open the door and get in did you know you can be arrested for being drunk and in charge! I asked the question on a course i was on about a lorry driver parked up in a car park at a truck stop with a bar and had a couple of drinks with his meal. before a nights sleep. As soon as he open his door he is at risk of being done for drink driving al though they did admit neither were likely to happen/.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 23:28:45 GMT 1
I hear they use similar tactics to catch out doggers, so a friend told me.
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Post by owdlad on Jul 11, 2014 23:49:58 GMT 1
If you go on holiday in a camper van, you have your car keys in your pocket after a night in the camp bar , you open the door and get in did you know you can be arrested for being drunk and in charge! I asked the question on a course i was on about a lorry driver parked up in a car park at a truck stop with a bar and had a couple of drinks with his meal. before a nights sleep. As soon as he open his door he is at risk of being done for drink driving al though they did admit neither were likely to happen/. Quite correct, I believe, because you are in charge of the vehicle. If you were parked on private land though, how would the police prove that you intended to drive on the public highway?
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Post by El Presidente on Jul 12, 2014 0:13:00 GMT 1
If you go on holiday in a camper van, you have your car keys in your pocket after a night in the camp bar , you open the door and get in did you know you can be arrested for being drunk and in charge! I asked the question on a course i was on about a lorry driver parked up in a car park at a truck stop with a bar and had a couple of drinks with his meal. before a nights sleep. As soon as he open his door he is at risk of being done for drink driving al though they did admit neither were likely to happen/. Quite correct, I believe, because you are in charge of the vehicle. If you were parked on private land though, how would the police prove that you intended to drive on the public highway? You don't have to prove an intent to drive, however, common sense would dictate if you're sat in the drivers seat, keys in the ignition, you're opening yourself up. Private land...hmm...private land itself is not subject to the Road Traffic Act. Until, for example, Farmer Piles holds a car boot on that land, and you drive around during the car boot, drunk. Despite the land being private, public have been permitted access - therefore an offence is committed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 9:27:51 GMT 1
Their are many repugnant things you can do that are legal I suppose it's how you interpret whats right and wrong. Do you think? I will not do something as I don't want to get caught? or ''I will not do it anyway as I think it's wrong? Getting p**sed behind the Wheel: Would you do it if it was legal?Or would you put yourself out a little bit and Walk?
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Post by atcham jack on Jul 12, 2014 10:43:38 GMT 1
s**t or bust aj is going to his local today for lunch and a pint. i will have 4 wheels underneath and 1 in my hands. neee naaaa!
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 12, 2014 11:57:30 GMT 1
if the car park has a private sign and a locked chain, are they trespassing.? How do they get in/out ? Exactly. Not sure how you can take this stance of indignation AJ. You'll be very aware of the folks in your local that will have more than one pint then hop into their cars and drive home on public roads. It seems that the appearance of the officers in question have made the regulars think twice about their usual habits, which can only be a good thing.
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Post by onthepitch on Jul 13, 2014 13:16:26 GMT 1
s**t or bust aj is going to his local today for lunch and a pint. i will have 4 wheels underneath and 1 in my hands. neee naaaa! Why am I picturing a mobility scooter!?!??
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jul 13, 2014 13:25:51 GMT 1
I'm all for the police catching drink drivers no mater how they do it . I'm sure every body knows a regular drink driver : I.e there's people at the local by my that go to the pub straight after work every night then drive home a few hours later .the thing that gets me is most of the time it's only a few hundred yards they are driving .
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 13, 2014 15:26:28 GMT 1
I hear they use similar tactics to catch out doggers
Well blow me..........
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Post by shrewder on Jul 13, 2014 16:20:00 GMT 1
Should be a no drink at all if driving.
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Post by El Presidente on Jul 13, 2014 20:29:26 GMT 1
I am proud to say I have bagged a good number of Excess Alcohol drivers. And a few unfit drugs too. Would anyone here like to go under the surgeons knife, dentists drill, or have their bush trimmed by Jaytee if either were drunk or smacked off their face on drugs?
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Jul 13, 2014 21:52:15 GMT 1
I heard a rumour that a landlord of a well known pub in Shrewsbury knowingly serves alcohol to punters that have driven there, only to shop them in to the police and claim a £200 reward for it.
Like I said only a rumour and I'm certainly not defending drink drivers but if we are going down the road (excuse the pun) of offering incentives to catching them, I'm not sure how said landlord would feel if the police only got to the driver once he had killed himself/someone else.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jul 13, 2014 22:07:53 GMT 1
I heard a rumour that a landlord of a well known pub in Shrewsbury knowingly serves alcohol to punters that have driven there, only to shop them in to the police and claim a £200 reward for it. Like I said only a rumour and I'm certainly not defending drink drivers but if we are going down the road (excuse the pun) of offering incentives to catching them, I'm not sure how said landlord would feel if the police only got to the driver once he had killed himself/someone else. Here in Japan the landlord would himself be guilty of an offence (providing alcohol to someone knowing they were going to drive). They also made it an offence for any licensed driver who is a passenger of a drunk driver. Penalties for drink driving were made much harsher too, and there is a very low blood-alcohol limit (effectively zero) so there is none of this "one drink should be ok" stuff - you simply don't drink at all if you are driving here. I think this is how it should be in the UK too - zero tolerance of drinking and driving.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Jul 13, 2014 22:15:22 GMT 1
I heard a rumour that a landlord of a well known pub in Shrewsbury knowingly serves alcohol to punters that have driven there, only to shop them in to the police and claim a £200 reward for it. Like I said only a rumour and I'm certainly not defending drink drivers but if we are going down the road (excuse the pun) of offering incentives to catching them, I'm not sure how said landlord would feel if the police only got to the driver once he had killed himself/someone else. Here in Japan the landlord would himself be guilty of an offence (providing alcohol to someone knowing they were going to drive). They also made it an offence for any licensed driver who is a passenger of a drunk driver. Penalties for drink driving were made much harsher too, and there is a very low blood-alcohol limit (effectively zero) so there is none of this "one drink should be ok" stuff - you simply don't drink at all if you are driving here. I think this is how it should be in the UK too - zero tolerance of drinking and driving. A very appropriate deterrent. That said isn't it illegal by the letter of the law to serve someone known to be drunk? I doubt this law is ever brought into action as it is always going to be much of a grey area but theoretically it could still be used. Touching on something El Pres said about trying to catch people driving with mobile phones, I know in South Africa if you are caught your phone is compounded until you pay the relevant fine. It's frightening how many people you see still doing this in this country or trying to send what they think is a sneaky text under the wheel.
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Post by El Presidente on Jul 13, 2014 22:21:53 GMT 1
I heard a rumour that a landlord of a well known pub in Shrewsbury knowingly serves alcohol to punters that have driven there, only to shop them in to the police and claim a £200 reward for it. Like I said only a rumour and I'm certainly not defending drink drivers but if we are going down the road (excuse the pun) of offering incentives to catching them, I'm not sure how said landlord would feel if the police only got to the driver once he had killed himself/someone else. Interesting situation. One train of thought, the Landlord/licensee is not responsible for your actions, off premises. You can argue that he would not know if you were planning on driving back etc, so lots of unknown variables. I have no problem with him shopping drink drivers, if it was done with the best intentions. If it was done simply to boost short term cash flow with a reward from Crime Stoppers, then it could well lead to questions over his/her fitness to hold a licence to serve booze. How many people know about the following: It is an offence to be drunk, whilst on licensed premises. It is an offence to knowingly serve intoxicating liquor to someone who is intoxicated. It is an offence to be drunk in charge of a pedal cycle.
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