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Post by atcham jack on Jul 11, 2014 12:42:14 GMT 1
are unmarked police cars allowed to wait in a private car park of a club with the sole intention of breathalysing a member/members leaving that club. this happened last saturday night at my local legion club. thankfully the member tested negative, but in case i walked home last night.
i have tweeted the devon and cornwall poilce commissioner asking for his view on whether this is normal working practice. should this also apply to pub car parks?
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Post by vanner on Jul 11, 2014 12:45:14 GMT 1
Yes.
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Post by colaboy on Jul 11, 2014 12:57:55 GMT 1
Of course they are allowed to do so. LOL.
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Post by mikey on Jul 11, 2014 13:06:29 GMT 1
If this is a problem for you, there is one very easy solution - don't drink and drive...
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Post by atcham jack on Jul 11, 2014 13:09:06 GMT 1
if the car park has a private sign and a locked chain, are they trespassing.?
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Post by vanner on Jul 11, 2014 13:10:16 GMT 1
if the car park has a private sign and a locked chain, are they trespassing.? No.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 11, 2014 13:40:40 GMT 1
if there not they should be allowed to drink drivers are scum.
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Post by Uncle_Monkey on Jul 11, 2014 13:54:09 GMT 1
are unmarked police cars allowed to wait in a private car park of a club with the sole intention of breathalysing a member/members leaving that club. this happened last saturday night at my local legion club. thankfully the member tested negative, but in case i walked home last night.
i have tweeted the devon and cornwall poilce commissioner asking for his view on whether this is normal working practice. should this also apply to pub car parks? Weird thing to say AJ. You walked instead of drove because there was a higher risk of getting caught drunk driving? Surely not what you meant. I hope not anyway.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 11, 2014 13:56:55 GMT 1
if the car park has a private sign and a locked chain, are they trespassing.? They would have to have a reason to break the lock to gain entry but they'd soon make one up...... I would suggest that that a villager suspects a club member of drinking and driving on a regular basis and has reported this to the police... They used to have to have a reason to breathalyser but that seemed to change when random testing came in at Christmas time down to road safety... love the other santamonious replies, it could be deemed as harassment to repeatedly breathalyse INNOCENT MOTORISTS just because they've been to a club but a one off is OK I guess
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 14:28:22 GMT 1
Dont think its sanctimonious, Davycrockett, but obviously you have not been the victim of a drink driver. And in my opinion the police should do all that they can to remove this from the roads.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 14:29:04 GMT 1
Police Officers can stop and breathalyse anyone regardless whether their in a ''Jam Sandwich'' or nor.A plain Clothed Officer could stop you on the street.They can come into the Club to breatahlyse you and arrest you if you fail. If sitting in an unmarked means you are not aware of their presence and you then get in your Car and they catch you out good. If you got knocked over in the Car Park by a p**sed up driver would you want an Officer to ignore it as he was in an unmarked car?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 14:44:43 GMT 1
Would you have driven home if you weren't aware of their presence even though you couldn't guarantee you were fit to do so?
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 11, 2014 15:03:08 GMT 1
Police Officers can stop and breathalyse anyone regardless whether their in a ''Jam Sandwich'' or nor.A plain Clothed Officer could stop you on the street.They can come into the Club to breatahlyse you and arrest you if you fail. If sitting in an unmarked means you are not aware of their presence and you then get in your Car and they catch you out good. If you got knocked over in the Car Park by a p**sed up driver would you want an Officer to ignore it as he was in an unmarked car? Don't think they can arrest you for failing the test in the club ......you might not even have a car!
I'm not defending drinking and driving you'll note the guy wasn't drunk, may not have been drinking or even drink, my point is if they continued to test the same person, people just because they were on premises that supplied alcohol and never caught anyone it cooled be harassment - bit like stopping and searching black people just because they're black ......
not a very strong point I admit and not a very good attempt at sanctimonious either
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Post by atcham jack on Jul 11, 2014 15:31:56 GMT 1
i would have driven home, but i had only had 1 pint and did not want to risk it. i am not a drink driver, but i do think it is unfortunate that unmarked police cars are on private land waiting to book someone. it seems like a police state to me, with this happening. as it happens there is no chain nor a private sign.
as for people whio drink over the limit, they deserve what they get, but not on private property
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 15:41:45 GMT 1
i would have driven home, but i had only had 1 pint and did not want to risk it. i am not a drink driver, but i do think it is unfortunate that unmarked police cars are on private land waiting to book someone. it seems like a police state to me, with this happening. as it happens there is no chain nor a private sign. as for people whio drink over the limit, they deserve what they get, but not on private property AJ was probably driving a long time ago when there was no drink drive limit, I can just see his old truck driving from side to side down the lane while he supps a nice casket of scrumpy!
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Post by slatsy on Jul 11, 2014 16:00:28 GMT 1
i would have driven home, but i had only had 1 pint and did not want to risk it. i am not a drink driver, but i do think it is unfortunate that unmarked police cars are on private land waiting to book someone. it seems like a police state to me, with this happening. as it happens there is no chain nor a private sign. as for people whio drink over the limit, they deserve what they get, but not on private property Sorry but this doesn't wash with me, you only had 1 pint so you're not a drink driver? Actually you are a drink driver even if it is only what you believe to be a small amount. Thats all well and good drinking on private property but as soon as there is intent to drive a vehicle onto the public road while under the influence, I would expect the Police to intervene. It's no different to the Police turning up to your house to catch a burglar, it's still private property but I bet you wouldn't be complaining then. I respect anyone that does what they can to remove drink drivers from our roads, having seen the devastation that they can cause.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 16:21:16 GMT 1
i would have driven home, but i had only had 1 pint and did not want to risk it. i am not a drink driver, but i do think it is unfortunate that unmarked police cars are on private land waiting to book someone. it seems like a police state to me, with this happening. as it happens there is no chain nor a private sign. as for people whio drink over the limit, they deserve what they get, but not on private property Sorry but this doesn't wash with me, you only had 1 pint so you're not a drink driver? Actually you are a drink driver even if it is only what you believe to be a small amount. It is estimated that 65 road deaths per year are caused by drivers who are under the drink-drive limit, but who have significant amounts of alcohol in their blood. Therefore don't drink any alcohol at all before driving.
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Post by myttonmarauder on Jul 11, 2014 16:24:13 GMT 1
There seems to be a common misconception that you can safely drink two pints without worry of being bagged but every person is different. The only safety point is not to drink at all. If the police had reason to believe that someone is going to operate a vehicle whilst unfit through drink or drugs then they have every right to bag the driver.Even a driver who is fast asleep in the drivers seat with the keys in the ignition but not actually driving can be bagged.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 11, 2014 16:25:14 GMT 1
I just wish the police would take a sterner line with tvv@ts driving with mobile phones / texting - IMO this is just as dangerous as drink driving but its getting to epidemic proportions these days and hardly anyone ever gets caught for doing it. really does get on my t:ts that people carry on doing it without regards to the safety (or otherwise) aspect.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 11, 2014 16:27:25 GMT 1
Sorry but this doesn't wash with me, you only had 1 pint so you're not a drink driver? Actually you are a drink driver even if it is only what you believe to be a small amount. It is estimated that 65 road deaths per year are caused by drivers who are under the drink-drive limit, but who have significant amounts of alcohol in their blood. Therefore don't drink any alcohol at all before driving. Understand the thinking on this one but it simply isn't possible to "not drink anything before driving". How can anyone tell that they have zero alcohol in them before driving (unless you are teetotal of course).
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Post by slatsy on Jul 11, 2014 16:30:42 GMT 1
I just wish the police would take a sterner line with tvv@ts driving with mobile phones / texting - IMO this is just as dangerous as drink driving but its getting to epidemic proportions these days and hardly anyone ever gets caught for doing it. really does get on my t:ts that people carry on doing it without regards to the safety (or otherwise) aspect. Agree completely, this is equally as dangerous and perhaps more worrying is done in such a carefree way!
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Post by slatsy on Jul 11, 2014 16:34:46 GMT 1
It is estimated that 65 road deaths per year are caused by drivers who are under the drink-drive limit, but who have significant amounts of alcohol in their blood. Therefore don't drink any alcohol at all before driving. Understand the thinking on this one but it simply isn't possible to "not drink anything before driving". How can anyone tell that they have zero alcohol in them before driving (unless you are teetotal of course). You have a point, however I believe that anyone can take certain measures to ensure that they leave enough time between drinking and driving the next day, while you can't know for sure if it's out of the system, I think this is a start.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 11, 2014 17:36:02 GMT 1
Understand the thinking on this one but it simply isn't possible to "not drink anything before driving". How can anyone tell that they have zero alcohol in them before driving (unless you are teetotal of course). You have a point, however I believe that anyone can take certain measures to ensure that they leave enough time between drinking and driving the next day, while you can't know for sure if it's out of the system, I think this is a start. Yes, you can take reasonable measures to allow enough time. But you can't say with any degree of when you will have zero alcohol in your system.
I knew a bloke who's work would instantly dismiss anyone found with more than something minute like 3% alcohol in their system - meant he wouldn't drink for 3 days before returning to work (& even then he wasn't sure). So short of all drivers becoming teetotal it just isn't going to happen
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 11, 2014 17:37:26 GMT 1
I just wish the police would take a sterner line with tvv@ts driving with mobile phones / texting - IMO this is just as dangerous as drink driving but its getting to epidemic proportions these days and hardly anyone ever gets caught for doing it. really does get on my t:ts that people carry on doing it without regards to the safety (or otherwise) aspect. Agree completely, this is equally as dangerous and perhaps more worrying is done in such a carefree way! Thing is it is SOOOO easy to spot - the police are just turning a blind eye to it (except when they are instructed to catch a few to "show they are doing something")
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Post by colaboy on Jul 11, 2014 17:46:27 GMT 1
Equally so you should not eat, drink, smoke, be on the phone, put your make-up on or have sex whilst driving a car.
Anything really that involves taking one hand off the steering wheel for some time.
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Post by vanner on Jul 11, 2014 17:48:58 GMT 1
I'm staggered at some peoples attitudes towards drink driving. There is never any excuse for it and the amount of lives that have been lost to it is quite disgusting. It's the same with mobile phones, I'm glad the posters above share my hate for the idiots who text/make phonecalls when driving (obviously without handsfree.)
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Post by atcham jack on Jul 11, 2014 18:32:31 GMT 1
i would rather there be a total ban on drinking and driving, at least you know where you are. one factor that made me walk and pick the car up this morning was i had not had my tea. if you wish to cast the first stone, so be it. i suspect many of us have driven when unwise to have done so.
if our few posts on here help anyone , good. i do like the suggestion of AJ motoring from side to side swigging a jug of scrumpy amusing. rest assured i am having a dry day, although the festival at the Caaastle is tempting.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jul 11, 2014 19:26:54 GMT 1
I'd imagine a pub car park is the very best place to wait.
Better that than gathering the remains out of a hedge the next morning.
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Post by salopmatt on Jul 11, 2014 19:54:53 GMT 1
Agree completely, this is equally as dangerous and perhaps more worrying is done in such a carefree way! Thing is it is SOOOO easy to spot - the police are just turning a blind eye to it (except when they are instructed to catch a few to "show they are doing something") What makes you think they choose to turn a blind eye? Why would they? As it's been said it's just as dangerous as drink driving, the problem the police have is its easy to see police cars and it's even easier to throw your phone in the foot well when you see them. In regards to unmarked police cars in private land, I'd imagine there was reports of drink driving at the club and they are there to stop it.
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Post by El Presidente on Jul 11, 2014 19:58:07 GMT 1
if the car park has a private sign and a locked chain, are they trespassing.? No.
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