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Post by franthetownfan on Jul 10, 2014 23:49:40 GMT 1
Clearly a player who needs games to be able to have any positive run of form. A good signing, looked incredible at the back end of our first season in league one, good luck to the guy and please someone remind him to bring spare contacts.
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Post by shrewed46 on Jul 11, 2014 6:25:47 GMT 1
Me too. But ever wonder why you spent most of. 2010-2012 moaning as well?..... If all I was interested in was winning and promotion, I'd have stopped supporting the Town many years ago. In my opinion many of the problems that ultimately led to relegation were visible during the first 2 years of Turner's reign but fans were prepared to accept them because the team were winning. For a number of reason's I never believed that Turner was the right appointment, however I was prepared to Hope.
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Post by littlebluefoot on Jul 11, 2014 6:47:56 GMT 1
Another solid acquisition! This squad is looking quite strong for a League 2 team and wouldn't look out of place in league 1!
#promotion
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 8:23:37 GMT 1
Me too. But ever wonder why you spent most of. 2010-2012 moaning as well?..... If all I was interested in was winning and promotion, I'd have stopped supporting the Town many years ago. In my opinion many of the problems that ultimately led to relegation were visible during the first 2 years of Turner's reign but fans were prepared to accept them because the team were winning. For a number of reason's I never believed that Turner was the right appointment, however I was prepared to Hope. Brilliant.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 11, 2014 9:58:21 GMT 1
If you are not interested in winning and gaining promotion then why do you go to watch town?
Strange comment.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 11, 2014 10:30:48 GMT 1
My abiding memory of Ed is him moaning he didn't enjoy a 4-1 home win a few seasons ago (Macclesfield?)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 12:13:56 GMT 1
Me too. But ever wonder why you spent most of. 2010-2012 moaning as well?..... If all I was interested in was winning and promotion, I'd have stopped supporting the Town many years ago. In my opinion many of the problems that ultimately led to relegation were visible during the first 2 years of Turner's reign but fans were prepared to accept them because the team were winning. For a number of reason's I never believed that Turner was the right appointment, however I was prepared to Hope. Out of interest what were these problems in the first two seasons that you saw would lead us to relegation? In the first two years I saw a team being built on permanent players with a combination of experienced pro's and promising youngsters. The last two years were where he lost the plot with bringing in inferior players and then too many loans but that was the complete opposite to his first two years
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 12:15:22 GMT 1
My abiding memory of Ed is him moaning he didn't enjoy a 4-1 home win a few seasons ago (Macclesfield?) He did indeed, from memory the opposition were of a poor quality so it wasnt much of a contest and he'd much prefer an entertaining 4-3 victory against two equal sides. Of course it was a side managed by Graham Turner that won 4-3, he would have been slating the defence
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Post by Chic on Jul 11, 2014 13:34:31 GMT 1
Didn't realise he's only 21..!
Great prospect.. Good signing
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Post by shrewed46 on Jul 11, 2014 13:44:49 GMT 1
If you are not interested in winning and gaining promotion then why do you go to watch town? Strange comment. I would suggest that if you are only interested in winning and gaining promotion you go and support another team, In the 70 odd years the club has been in the football league there have been only been promoted 6 times and I suspect their win ration in the football league is a lot less than 50%. So if you are only interested in winning and gaining promotion then why do you go to watch town? Strange comment.
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Post by shrewed46 on Jul 11, 2014 13:53:59 GMT 1
My abiding memory of Ed is him moaning he didn't enjoy a 4-1 home win a few seasons ago (Macclesfield?) You obviously missed my comments when under Simpson the Town won 7 - 0 against Gillingham and I said I'd rather the Town winning 4 - 3. The sooner fans realise that supporting a team like STFC is about a lot more than just winning and losing. My early years of watching football was in a era where teams had the attitude that if the opposition scored 3 they would score 4. Many games in that era were entertaining today very few games even at the highest level are entertaining my opinion.
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Post by shrewed46 on Jul 11, 2014 14:01:13 GMT 1
If all I was interested in was winning and promotion, I'd have stopped supporting the Town many years ago. In my opinion many of the problems that ultimately led to relegation were visible during the first 2 years of Turner's reign but fans were prepared to accept them because the team were winning. For a number of reason's I never believed that Turner was the right appointment, however I was prepared to Hope. Out of interest what were these problems in the first two seasons that you saw would lead us to relegation? In the first two years I saw a team being built on permanent players with a combination of experienced pro's and promising youngsters. The last two years were where he lost the plot with bringing in inferior players and then too many loans but that was the complete opposite to his first two years In my opinion the Turner era was a time when there was no plan B, the team became very stereotyped, was very defensively minded and lacked flair. Just out of interest Paul how many of the players in the first two years of Turner would select to get into a Town 4th Division team, not many if any I'd suggest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 14:48:58 GMT 1
Ed, I was going to pick apart your points one by one, but I think Il ask you a simple question. For a team who had no flair, was defensively minded, very sterotyped and had no plan B we did very well to finish 4th and 2nd dont you think?
And I dont really follow your question, are you asking for an overall team based of town players in division 4? If so, then its not something I could do because obviously there's a lot of historical players Ive never seen. The teams of those two years may not be made up of superstars but there was a lot of good players in them. Again reflected by the finishes of 4th and 2nd.
But if you are suggesting we didnt have a great group of individuals then arent you are actually advocating GT as an even better manager to get promotion with such an average bunch of players?
Apologies if Ive missed your point, Im just not getting it. You often use the 'historical' argument when it suits you (for example Turner winning promotion should be forgotten the following season), I just dont see the relevance of whether the players in his first two seasons would get into a town division 4 team???
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Post by shrewed46 on Jul 11, 2014 15:12:28 GMT 1
Ed, I was going to pick apart your points one by one, but I think Il ask you a simple question. For a team who had no flair, was defensively minded, very sterotyped and had no plan B we did very well to finish 4th and 2nd dont you think? And I dont really follow your question, are you asking for an overall team based of town players in division 4? If so, then its not something I could do because obviously there's a lot of historical players Ive never seen. The teams of those two years may not be made up of superstars but there was a lot of good players in them. Again reflected by the finishes of 4th and 2nd. But if you are suggesting we didnt have a great group of individuals then arent you are actually advocating GT as an even better manager to get promotion with such an average bunch of players? Apologies if Ive missed your point, Im just not getting it. You often use the 'historical' argument when it suits you (for example Turner winning promotion should be forgotten the following season), I just dont see the relevance of whether the players in his first two seasons would get into a town division 4 team??? Paul, I'm not sure where I have ever said that the team didn't do well during Turner's first two season. However unlike some fans I did not believe that everything in the garden was roses. There were weaknesses which were not exposed but which because of the under estimation were ultimately part of the reason for our downfall.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 22:12:33 GMT 1
Me too. But ever wonder why you spent most of. 2010-2012 moaning as well?..... If all I was interested in was winning and promotion, I'd have stopped supporting the Town many years ago. In my opinion many of the problems that ultimately led to relegation were visible during the first 2 years of Turner's reign but fans were prepared to accept them because the team were winning. For a number of reason's I never believed that Turner was the right appointment, however I was prepared to Hope. What were the "number of" problems visible during the first 2 years
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 22:39:21 GMT 1
Me too. But ever wonder why you spent most of. 2010-2012 moaning as well?..... If all I was interested in was winning and promotion, I'd have stopped supporting the Town many years ago. In my opinion many of the problems that ultimately led to relegation were visible during the first 2 years of Turner's reign but fans were prepared to accept them because the team were winning. For a number of reason's I never believed that Turner was the right appointment, however I was prepared to Hope. Fair play that post beggars belief. So by that train of thought you were quite happy with the years of rubbish served up under the likes of Peters and Ratcliffe. Turner comes along and gets us promoted and you think he was the wrong man for the job. Maybe by me replying to this i've bitten but I think you actually believe the nonsense you have written.
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Post by shrewed46 on Jul 12, 2014 6:22:58 GMT 1
If all I was interested in was winning and promotion, I'd have stopped supporting the Town many years ago. In my opinion many of the problems that ultimately led to relegation were visible during the first 2 years of Turner's reign but fans were prepared to accept them because the team were winning. For a number of reason's I never believed that Turner was the right appointment, however I was prepared to Hope. Fair play that post beggars belief. So by that train of thought you were quite happy with the years of rubbish served up under the likes of Peters and Ratcliffe. Turner comes along and gets us promoted and you think he was the wrong man for the job. Maybe by me replying to this i've bitten but I think you actually believe the nonsense you have written. Well, surely the question one should ask about a manager is whether he left the club in a better position than he found it, in my opinion STFC was in a far worse state in January 2014 than it was when Turner over. Lord you seem to suggest that Turner was the only manager who could have got us promoted there were many managers around in 2010 who would have been better long term managers for the Town. Maybe the best way to sum up my views of Turner's time is for the first time in 60 years I missed home games when I had nothing else to do. Yes in my opinion the "football" served up by Turner's team in the last two seasons was at the same level as that played by Jake King's team and at least Jake had a good excuse the club was broke then. "What were the "number of" problems visible during the first 2 years" Paul to avoid boring other posters by repeating myself maybe you'd like to look at my response to a similar question by Proudsalopian.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 6:56:06 GMT 1
Fair play that post beggars belief. So by that train of thought you were quite happy with the years of rubbish served up under the likes of Peters and Ratcliffe. Turner comes along and gets us promoted and you think he was the wrong man for the job. Maybe by me replying to this i've bitten but I think you actually believe the nonsense you have written. Well, surely the question one should ask about a manager is whether he left the club in a better position than he found it, in my opinion STFC was in a far worse state in January 2014 than it was when Turner over. Lord you seem to suggest that Turner was the only manager who could have got us promoted there were many managers around in 2010 who would have been better long term managers for the Town. Maybe the best way to sum up my views of Turner's time is for the first time in 60 years I missed home games when I had nothing else to do. Yes in my opinion the "football" served up by Turner's team in the last two seasons was at the same level as that played by Jake King's team and at least Jake had a good excuse the club was broke then. "What were the "number of" problems visible during the first 2 years" Paul to avoid boring other posters by repeating myself maybe you'd like to look at my response to a similar question by Proudsalopian. Ed, Ive seen you use the " did they leave the club in a better position" argument, surely that isnt as black and white as you make out? On face value he left a team made up of loans that went onto get relegated, but equally I could argue: Turner inherited a team that finished 12th in L2 and when he left his team was 16th in L1 Turner inherited a squad made up of average players containing the likes of Bright, Elder, Van Den Brooek, Leslie, Holden etc whereas he left a thin squad meaning the new manager could bring in players he wanted. Yes that is twisting it to suit my own agenda but Im just following suit. But what I would say is that because its been a long, long time (maybe GT in his first spell?) that a manager has left us because he's gone onto a better club, Id say that there are very few managers who have left us in a better position than they started As for the comment about for the first tie in 60 years you chose to missed games, well you mention the Jake years and they were the bleakest times in my experience watching STFC and as bad as last season was you really cant compare the two. Id also suggest that despite your normal posts of everything was better in the past, there were some bleak times, Im led to believe the early 70's for example was a bleak time to be a Shrewsbury fan are you conveniently forgetting them. As for other managers could get us promoted, I dont see anyone claiming GT was the only man who could. But equally plenty of men tried before him and failed. You have said yourself that we have only been promoted 6 times in our history so the fact you are so dismissive of the achievement really does beggar belief
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Post by shrewed46 on Jul 12, 2014 7:32:10 GMT 1
Well, surely the question one should ask about a manager is whether he left the club in a better position than he found it, in my opinion STFC was in a far worse state in January 2014 than it was when Turner over. Lord you seem to suggest that Turner was the only manager who could have got us promoted there were many managers around in 2010 who would have been better long term managers for the Town. Maybe the best way to sum up my views of Turner's time is for the first time in 60 years I missed home games when I had nothing else to do. Yes in my opinion the "football" served up by Turner's team in the last two seasons was at the same level as that played by Jake King's team and at least Jake had a good excuse the club was broke then. "What were the "number of" problems visible during the first 2 years" Paul to avoid boring other posters by repeating myself maybe you'd like to look at my response to a similar question by Proudsalopian. Ed, Ive seen you use the " did they leave the club in a better position" argument, surely that isnt as black and white as you make out? On face value he left a team made up of loans that went onto get relegated, but equally I could argue: Turner inherited a team that finished 12th in L2 and when he left his team was 16th in L1 Turner inherited a squad made up of average players containing the likes of Bright, Elder, Van Den Brooek, Leslie, Holden etc whereas he left a thin squad meaning the new manager could bring in players he wanted. Yes that is twisting it to suit my own agenda but Im just following suit. But what I would say is that because its been a long, long time (maybe GT in his first spell?) that a manager has left us because he's gone onto a better club, Id say that there are very few managers who have left us in a better position than they started As for the comment about for the first tie in 60 years you chose to missed games, well you mention the Jake years and they were the bleakest times in my experience watching STFC and as bad as last season was you really cant compare the two. Id also suggest that despite your normal posts of everything was better in the past, there were some bleak times, Im led to believe the early 70's for example was a bleak time to be a Shrewsbury fan are you conveniently forgetting them. As for other managers could get us promoted, I dont see anyone claiming GT was the only man who could. But equally plenty of men tried before him and failed. You have said yourself that we have only been promoted 6 times in our history so the fact you are so dismissive of the achievement really does beggar belief Paul I was very careful to make the point "was the club in a better position" because I think it is not just about the team. It's about the club in general. Two recent managers who definitely left the club better than they found it were Jimmy Quinn and Gary Peters. You are right there have been some very bleak periods in the Town's time in the football league in fact probably more than the good times. However the big difference between Turner's bleak time and many of the other particularly in the first 15 of the last 20 years was that managers had the excuse that they had no money. Turner did not have that excuse his demise was self inflicted. There is no doubt in my mind that up to the appointment of Simpson because of the size of the budget the pool of available managers was small. However when Turner was appointed I suspect the quality of potential managers would have been a lot higher. I am not dismissive of the promotion however I was concerned that during Turner's period of management the club view of the future became short term and there was a total lack of forward planning. Turner had been Chairman of a club that financially had always struggled, unfortunately, in my opinion, he found it difficult to adapt to the more financially sound environment of STFC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 7:56:05 GMT 1
Ed, Ive seen you use the " did they leave the club in a better position" argument, surely that isnt as black and white as you make out? On face value he left a team made up of loans that went onto get relegated, but equally I could argue: Turner inherited a team that finished 12th in L2 and when he left his team was 16th in L1 Turner inherited a squad made up of average players containing the likes of Bright, Elder, Van Den Brooek, Leslie, Holden etc whereas he left a thin squad meaning the new manager could bring in players he wanted. Yes that is twisting it to suit my own agenda but Im just following suit. But what I would say is that because its been a long, long time (maybe GT in his first spell?) that a manager has left us because he's gone onto a better club, Id say that there are very few managers who have left us in a better position than they started As for the comment about for the first tie in 60 years you chose to missed games, well you mention the Jake years and they were the bleakest times in my experience watching STFC and as bad as last season was you really cant compare the two. Id also suggest that despite your normal posts of everything was better in the past, there were some bleak times, Im led to believe the early 70's for example was a bleak time to be a Shrewsbury fan are you conveniently forgetting them. As for other managers could get us promoted, I dont see anyone claiming GT was the only man who could. But equally plenty of men tried before him and failed. You have said yourself that we have only been promoted 6 times in our history so the fact you are so dismissive of the achievement really does beggar belief Paul I was very careful to make the point "was the club in a better position" because I think it is not just about the team. It's about the club in general. Two recent managers who definitely left the club better than they found it were Jimmy Quinn and Gary Peters. You are right there have been some very bleak periods in the Town's time in the football league in fact probably more than the good times. However the big difference between Turner's bleak time and many of the other particularly in the first 15 of the last 20 years was that managers had the excuse that they had no money. Turner did not have that excuse his demise was self inflicted. There is no doubt in my mind that up to the appointment of Simpson because of the size of the budget the pool of available managers was small. However when Turner was appointed I suspect the quality of potential managers would have been a lot higher. I am not dismissive of the promotion however I was concerned that during Turner's period of management the club view of the future became short term and there was a total lack of forward planning. Turner had been Chairman of a club that financially had always struggled, unfortunately, in my opinion, he found it difficult to adapt to the more financially sound environment of STFC. Bizarre that you can't see a difference between having a bottom 6 budget in League 1 and having a top 6 budget in League 2... to describe both situations as having money is ridiculous.... that doesn't excuse Turner's failure last year but it rubbishes your argument. Ironically, Peters benefited financially from our lucrative last season at the Meadow then with a decent budget in the new ground, he failed miserably. Micky Mellon has already spoken of the opportunity he has to build his own squad right from the off. Turner had to wait over a season to do this because of the dross he had inherited. Add that to what again appears to be one of the higher budgets in League 2 and funds from the sales of Taylor and Bradshaw and I can't see how he has inherited a club in a worse position than Turner did.
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Post by shrewed46 on Jul 12, 2014 8:06:59 GMT 1
Paul I was very careful to make the point "was the club in a better position" because I think it is not just about the team. It's about the club in general. Two recent managers who definitely left the club better than they found it were Jimmy Quinn and Gary Peters. You are right there have been some very bleak periods in the Town's time in the football league in fact probably more than the good times. However the big difference between Turner's bleak time and many of the other particularly in the first 15 of the last 20 years was that managers had the excuse that they had no money. Turner did not have that excuse his demise was self inflicted. There is no doubt in my mind that up to the appointment of Simpson because of the size of the budget the pool of available managers was small. However when Turner was appointed I suspect the quality of potential managers would have been a lot higher. I am not dismissive of the promotion however I was concerned that during Turner's period of management the club view of the future became short term and there was a total lack of forward planning. Turner had been Chairman of a club that financially had always struggled, unfortunately, in my opinion, he found it difficult to adapt to the more financially sound environment of STFC. Bizarre that you can't see a difference between having a bottom 6 budget in League 1 and having a top 6 budget in League 2... to describe both situations as having money is ridiculous.... that doesn't excuse Turner's failure last year but it rubbishes your argument. Ironically, Peters benefited financially from our lucrative last season at the Meadow then with a decent budget in the new ground, he failed miserably. Micky Mellon has already spoken of the opportunity he has to build his own squad right from the off. Turner had to wait over a season to do this because of the dross he had inherited. Add that to what again appears to be one of the higher budgets in League 2 and funds from the sales of Taylor and Bradshaw and I can't see how he has inherited a club in a worse position than Turner did. As neither you nor I know what Turner's actual budget to claim that it was a bottom 6 budget is ridiculous, GT, RW and MJ all stated their was money available the crime was that it wasn't spent. Peters benefited from the sale of Hart and Edwards and the sale of the old Meadow I'm not sure the last season at the Old Meadow was that lucrative except in the fact that Peters got us to Wembley for only the second time in our history. So now Turner's failure to build for the future is a positive, Paul you should really join the comedians because that really made me laugh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 9:53:18 GMT 1
Shrewed46
you seem to take a lot of time and effort in composing your nonsense. Certainly the statement that Peters left the club in a better state than when he came is the crowning glory. Last I saw we were heading back to conference under his charge 2008. When he arrived we were heading that way under Quinn.
Turner us from mid table rubbish in l2 to mid table league 1. I think we could've stopped up if he had stayed but that's incidental. For you to say that Peters left the club in a better state than we he came and turner didn't is absurd.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 11:00:30 GMT 1
Bizarre that you can't see a difference between having a bottom 6 budget in League 1 and having a top 6 budget in League 2... to describe both situations as having money is ridiculous.... that doesn't excuse Turner's failure last year but it rubbishes your argument. Ironically, Peters benefited financially from our lucrative last season at the Meadow then with a decent budget in the new ground, he failed miserably. Micky Mellon has already spoken of the opportunity he has to build his own squad right from the off. Turner had to wait over a season to do this because of the dross he had inherited. Add that to what again appears to be one of the higher budgets in League 2 and funds from the sales of Taylor and Bradshaw and I can't see how he has inherited a club in a worse position than Turner did. As neither you nor I know what Turner's actual budget to claim that it was a bottom 6 budget is ridiculous, GT, RW and MJ all stated their was money available the crime was that it wasn't spent. Peters benefited from the sale of Hart and Edwards and the sale of the old Meadow I'm not sure the last season at the Old Meadow was that lucrative except in the fact that Peters got us to Wembley for only the second time in our history. So now Turner's failure to build for the future is a positive, Paul you should really join the comedians because that really made me laugh. Every time the "Turner had a bigger budget" brigade make their claims on here, thay seem to forget the fact that various posters have shown, via the annual accounts, that it just isn't true, certainly its not significant compared to Peters last season and the Simpson era. The last season at GM saw increased season ticket sales due to many fans (myself included) seeing it as a way of making sure we saw the last games ever in the stadium (I am not saying Peters didn't do well in that season though). But even a Petersrite like yourself would claim that he built for the future in his final season, surely? As for your last comment ( and its so typical for you to get personal when someone dares to logically pick your arguments apart), yes I do think its a positive that Mellon has a clean sheet of paper (I repeat, he's said as much!). Also Mellon hopefully will benefit from having the use of funds/assets relating to young players who Turner blooded during his reign. Added to that he also has the contribution of Jackson. a young coach, who knows the club and was also blooded and developed by Turner. Even better, we are now back in a smaller pond so any budget which Mellon has been given (and it looks to be reasonable, judging by some of the signings) will stretch further than it would have in L1. No post relegation environment is going to be easy but Mellon could have walked in to far worse situations. At the level we are back at, the club is in a good position.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 12:51:03 GMT 1
And I dont really follow your question, are you asking for an overall team based of town players in division 4? If so, then its not something I could do because obviously there's a lot of historical players Ive never seen. The teams of those two years may not be made up of superstars but there was a lot of good players in them. Again reflected by the finishes of 4th and 2nd. I'm also not quite sure what point Ed is making here. Having been one of just a few who misjudged the quality of GT's promotion-winning squad, I would be surprised if he was again trying to conviince us of how bad they were. But for the record, Taylor, Neal, Macallister and Wroe will line up in League 1 next season, SCS and Sharps were a whisker away from doing the same, whilst Morgan, Collins, Richards and Gornell will be playing in L2 for fancied sides. Hardly a list of league 2 sub standard players?
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Post by shrewed46 on Jul 12, 2014 14:12:35 GMT 1
Paul,
Factually Simpson blooded Jackson not Turner. I still find the idea that Turner's policy of short term contracts and loanees as being somehow a cunning plan to give his successor a blank sheet of paper fairly laughable.
As for your list of players, who by the way, I never suggested were league 2 sub standard players, how many were released by Turner.
Once again you have done your David Cameron act of trying to answer a question that was not asked, the question I asked was why when the money was available did Turner fail to spend it? Was that another part of the cunning plan to provide more money for his successor?
Yes Mellon has inherited a good situation but that is down to Turner's failure nothing else.
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Post by peterjones1 on Jul 12, 2014 18:16:25 GMT 1
My abiding memory of Ed is him moaning he didn't enjoy a 4-1 home win a few seasons ago (Macclesfield?) You obviously missed my comments when under Simpson the Town won 7 - 0 against Gillingham and I said I'd rather the Town winning 4 - 3. The sooner fans realise that supporting a team like STFC is about a lot more than just winning and losing. My early years of watching football was in a era where teams had the attitude that if the opposition scored 3 they would score 4. Many games in that era were entertaining today very few games even at the highest level are entertaining my opinion. Since you delved into the world of the patronising by suggesting you and you alone seem to realise what fans should expect from the club allow me to do the same. If you find football (at all levels apparently) in this era so tedious then why do you still bother at all? I appreciate you've cut down your actual match attendance (don't mean that as a criticism, I've done the same) but you seem to take so little joy and satisfaction from the sport are you not better off just severing all ties?
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Post by shrewed46 on Jul 12, 2014 18:28:41 GMT 1
You obviously missed my comments when under Simpson the Town won 7 - 0 against Gillingham and I said I'd rather the Town winning 4 - 3. The sooner fans realise that supporting a team like STFC is about a lot more than just winning and losing. My early years of watching football was in a era where teams had the attitude that if the opposition scored 3 they would score 4. Many games in that era were entertaining today very few games even at the highest level are entertaining my opinion. Since you delved into the world of the patronising by suggesting you and you alone seem to realise what fans should expect from the club allow me to do the same. If you find football (at all levels apparently) in this era so tedious then why do you still bother at all? I appreciate you've cut down your actual match attendance (don't mean that as a criticism, I've done the same) but you seem to take so little joy and satisfaction from the sport are you not better off just severing all ties? Well just occasionally you get an enjoyable game like todays, would be a shame to miss the odd gem of a game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 9:06:01 GMT 1
In terms of the analysing the performances of our last 4 managers I actually think they all showed a similar trend... some initial successes followed by varying degrees of failure towards the ends of their reign. Let's hope Mellon can achieve similar early success but buck the trend by following it up with a sustained period of consolidation or even more success
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 9:18:17 GMT 1
My abiding memory of Ed is him moaning he didn't enjoy a 4-1 home win a few seasons ago (Macclesfield?) He did indeed, from memory the opposition were of a poor quality so it wasnt much of a contest and he'd much prefer an entertaining 4-3 victory against two equal sides. Of course it was a side managed by Graham Turner that won 4-3, he would have been slating the defence Ironically, one of the many memorable matches of GT's first 2 seasons back with us was the 4-3 comeback against Charlton in the League Cup. We also lost 4-3 to Chesterfield under GT after almost pegging back a 4-0 deficit in the last 10 minutes.
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