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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 10, 2014 8:20:04 GMT 1
Good luck to all on the line's today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 8:53:20 GMT 1
And to all members of the general public who are inconvenienced.
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Post by shrewsace on Jul 10, 2014 9:06:48 GMT 1
Giving my full support and solidarity to these workers, despite no longer working in the public sector and being a 'member of the general public'.
The cuts, flogging off and ideologically driven changes to schools, Fire Service and NHS - to give just three examples - are much more than a mere 'inconvenience'.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 10, 2014 9:08:51 GMT 1
And to all members of the general public who are inconvenienced. Yeh let's all just sit back and leave it to the Government to treat everyone fairly
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 10, 2014 9:36:40 GMT 1
And to all members of the general public who are inconvenienced. Following Tory policy to play public sector workers off against private sector in a race to the bottom.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 9:49:12 GMT 1
sounds like this thread will end in tears............
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jul 10, 2014 10:37:49 GMT 1
Yes good luck to all those involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 10:42:20 GMT 1
And to all members of the general public who are inconvenienced. The whole point of a strike isn't it too bring attention too something and in this case show what can happen if services disappear.
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Post by camdenshrew on Jul 10, 2014 10:56:25 GMT 1
Glad they are taking a stand. There are far too many people in Britain who are just too short-sighted and apathetic to care about the general good and the declining standard of public services.
The people who are going on strike aren't the ones who have caused the mess but they are among the main people being penalised. Good for them.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 10, 2014 11:00:41 GMT 1
Glad they are taking a stand. There are far too many people in Britain who are just too short-sighted and apathetic to care about the general good and the declining standard of public services. The people who are going on strike aren't the ones who have caused the mess but they are among the main people being penalised. Good for them. Hear hear...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 11:54:05 GMT 1
Glad they are taking a stand. There are far too many people in Britain who are just too short-sighted and apathetic to care about the general good and the declining standard of public services. The people who are going on strike aren't the ones who have caused the mess but they are among the main people being penalised. Good for them. I find that People are only bothered untill it affects them directly and cannot see further than the front of their nose sometimes. It's as if they will take no interest on what will affect them 2,3,5 years down line,yet kick up a fuss when it's too late. If it's harming the elderly getting about due to cut's then ''It's not my problem so who cares''yet as soon as they get 1 morning disrupted their life becomes a ''Nightmare due to these selfish barstewards''.
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Post by atcham jack on Jul 10, 2014 18:00:45 GMT 1
as a life long trade unionist, 100% behind the strike, particularly the fire brigade union. i can do without royail mail for a day.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 10, 2014 18:04:23 GMT 1
I would NEVER cross a picket line in any circumstance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 18:10:09 GMT 1
Glad they are taking a stand. There are far too many people in Britain who are just too short-sighted and apathetic to care about the general good and the declining standard of public services. The people who are going on strike aren't the ones who have caused the mess but they are among the main people being penalised. Good for them. Hear hear... Hear hear hear!
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Post by shrewsace on Jul 10, 2014 19:19:26 GMT 1
Good to see such solidarity among the comrades of B&A.
Perhaps we need a red third kit after all!
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 10, 2014 19:53:04 GMT 1
Where's Leicester shrew?
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Post by shrewder on Jul 10, 2014 19:59:23 GMT 1
Not in support of these strikes. I worked in the public sector all my life and I was happy with my lot. However in comparison with todays workers in the public sector I had a pretty raw deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 20:01:53 GMT 1
Hmm, well you know my views, would be interesting to see how many of the public sector out of training that fall into the bracket of below national average wage.
nice to see lots that obviously went on strike (as said by the unions) that could not be arsed to go on picket lines and much preferred their day of action on the beech!!
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Post by jamo on Jul 10, 2014 20:26:19 GMT 1
as a life long trade unionist, 100% behind the strike, particularly the fire brigade union. i can do without royail mail for a day. You ex FBU Jack ?
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Post by wimbledonshrew on Jul 10, 2014 20:28:44 GMT 1
Not in Leicester.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 20:31:04 GMT 1
FBU eh?? Starting wage of 21k, average wage out of training 28k, not bad, can see why a sector that has virtually everyone who is not in training is paid well above the national average would need to go on strike.......
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Post by jamo on Jul 10, 2014 20:35:45 GMT 1
Hmm, well you know my views, would be interesting to see how many of the public sector out of training that fall into the bracket of below national average wage. nice to see lots that obviously went on strike (as said by the unions) that could not be arsed to go on picket lines and much preferred their day of action on the beech!! Few points Downie. I don't understand the point you make about public sector out of training ! Also, the numbers of pickets on duty is pre determined in law so you can't have 'lot's' of people present. Finally numbers about participants will be bandied about by both sides to suit their own agenda ( bit like the government saying 200k marched in London when it was closer to 750k) Doesn't really matter because those that were there will know. Anyway, my perspective was that within Shropshire it was a pretty decent effort, solid picket lines at the buildings we wanted to be at - including new ones to us. School support was very impressive. Lots of support from unexpected quarters, new members recruited and a high profile to the on going campaign for a fair wage. Oh, and lovely weather, such a change to be picketing in shorts and t-shirt instead of being wrapped up against the elements. Pretty damn proud of UNISON today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 20:39:52 GMT 1
My point Jamo is fairly simple, that most people who have worked in public sector for any period of time are well above the national average, nurses, firemen, police teachers and so on, so they are getting a fair wage already, I am aware that pay rises in the public sector have been slow, but in the private sector, most peoples have actually fallen rather than stayed static.
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Post by El Presidente on Jul 10, 2014 20:46:44 GMT 1
My point Jamo is fairly simple, that most people who have worked in public sector for any period of time are well above the national average, nurses, firemen, police teachers and so on, so they are getting a fair wage already, I am aware that pay rises in the public sector have been slow, but in the private sector, most peoples have actually fallen rather than stayed static. Downie, you can not make a direct comparison with those public sector roles, to the private sector. You quote that the pay of police, fire personnel, nurses and teachers is above the national average. That is because the person in the role needs to be above average. Don't forget, however, there are thousands of support and back room staff who are paid well below the national average. We can all cite examples of dodgy coppers, psycho nurses, fire people who have 3 jobs and sleep on shift, and teachers who run off with their pupils. These examples are not the norm for the rest of the profession and, as people are people, I'm sure you will find similar examples of poor behaviour in other occupations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 20:52:28 GMT 1
My point Jamo is fairly simple, that most people who have worked in public sector for any period of time are well above the national average, nurses, firemen, police teachers and so on, so they are getting a fair wage already, I am aware that pay rises in the public sector have been slow, but in the private sector, most peoples have actually fallen rather than stayed static. Downie, you can not make a direct comparison with those public sector roles, to the private sector. You quote that the pay of police, fire personnel, nurses and teachers is above the national average. That is because the person in the role needs to be above average. Don't forget, however, there are thousands of support and back room staff who are paid well below the national average. We can all cite examples of dodgy coppers, psycho nurses, fire people who have 3 jobs and sleep on shift, and teachers who run off with their pupils. These examples are not the norm for the rest of the profession and, as people are people, I'm sure you will find similar examples of poor behaviour in other occupations. sure we can make comparisons, in every profession you have your high earners and low earners, it would be very interesting to find out the average wage of a public sector worker, be it back up staff or front line. just think as we are finally getting back on the feet as a country you get the unions with very little support calling for individuals to bring the country to a standstill.
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 10, 2014 20:52:42 GMT 1
My point Jamo is fairly simple, that most people who have worked in public sector for any period of time are well above the national average, nurses, firemen, police teachers and so on, so they are getting a fair wage already, I am aware that pay rises in the public sector have been slow, but in the private sector, most peoples have actually fallen rather than stayed static. Downie, you can not make a direct comparison with those public sector roles, to the private sector. You quote that the pay of police, fire personnel, nurses and teachers is above the national average. That is because the person in the role needs to be above average.Don't forget, however, there are thousands of support and back room staff who are paid well below the national average. We can all cite examples of dodgy coppers, psycho nurses, fire people who have 3 jobs and sleep on shift, and teachers who run off with their pupils. These examples are not the norm for the rest of the profession and, as people are people, I'm sure you will find similar examples of poor behaviour in other occupations. Damn fine post.
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Post by jamo on Jul 10, 2014 20:58:46 GMT 1
My point Jamo is fairly simple, that most people who have worked in public sector for any period of time are well above the national average, nurses, firemen, police teachers and so on, so they are getting a fair wage already, I am aware that pay rises in the public sector have been slow, but in the private sector, most peoples have actually fallen rather than stayed static. I'm not sure where you get that information from Downie, if it's just headlines then the counter to that would be that everyone who works at Barclays is on massive bonuses year after year when of course those at the bottom level clearly ain't. There are plenty of long serving staff in Shropshire Council that are earning just above the minimum wage , and certainly well below the Living Wage. And in the Private Sector - on the back of a rising economy- we are seeing wage rises and bonuses well above any rise offered to public sector workers. Of course, the real issue here - and one you always hurtle into at warp factor 1 - Is that this really isn't about Private/ Public at all, it's about fairness, respect and raising standards not diminishing them at every turn. I have plenty of friends who work in the private sector and they work hard for their money and deserve to have that recognised and recompensed by their employers. Good on them. As a nation we shouldn't really be getting engaged in a race back to living standards of 30/40 years ago. We should be doing the opposite.
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Post by wimbledonshrew on Jul 10, 2014 21:00:43 GMT 1
If it's any comfort to you Downie, not only did I have a pay freeze for three years followed by a 1% pay 'rise' but with changes to national insurance and superannuation I actually take home less than I did in previous years. I wasn't on strike today as my union wasn't involved but I fully support those who were, especially support staff who earn pitiful wages. I think it's sad that one of the successes of this government is to pit those in the private sector against those in the public service. I didn't go into my profession for the perceived perks but because I believe passionately in what I do. As said elsewhere I didn't cause the financial problems facing this country but I seem to be punished disproportionally regardless.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 10, 2014 21:03:07 GMT 1
I still can't believe you still see folk with the attitude "if I'm not getting something, why should they". They must be laughing their heads off at the top (whilst calculating their next two digit yearly pay increase of course).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 21:03:36 GMT 1
Anyone asking for 'an average wage in the public sector' is clearly incapable of any serious debate.
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