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Post by Dale on May 30, 2014 19:16:32 GMT 1
Martin Foyle's winding up order against HUFC is in the High Court next Monday.... and the club still haven't agreed a settlement with him according to their official website, nervous times ahead for them.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jun 1, 2014 18:29:47 GMT 1
Hereford United face a winding-up order in court in London on Monday morning after failing to reach an agreement with former manager Martin Foyle.
Club officials have been trying to negotiate a settlement with Foyle, for money owed when he left in March.
But the two parties were unable to reach an agreement, leaving the Bulls hoping for an adjournment at the Royal Courts of Justice.
It is the third time in four months that they have faced being wound up.
In both previous cases, brought by Revenue and Customs (HMRC) over unpaid tax bills, the club found the funds to avert being taken to court.
But this time no agreement has been reached with 51-year-old Foyle, now the manager of Hereford's Conference Premier rivals Southport, who brought the action over not only unpaid wages but other monies that he claims he is owed.
The hearing is due to take place at the Royal Courts of Justice in The Strand on Monday, 2 June.
Chester City were the last club to be wound up there in February 2010.
Chester FC, who were formed following City's liquidation, went down instead of Hereford on a dramatic final day of the Conference Premier season just over a month ago.
The Blues will now be interested spectators on Monday morning as, until the Conference have held their Annual General Meeting on Friday, 6 June, the 2013-14 season is not officially over - and any punishments handed out could still involve an automatic penalty for going into administration and potential automatic relegation for the Bulls.
Hereford United Supporters' Trust, who made an offer to buy the club a month ago, say they are extremely worried about the position that the club finds itself in.
Bulls chairman David Keyte is reported to have been in talks with three different rival bidders regarding a takeover.
But, although a statement was released on Thursday saying that the consortium of investors involved in trying to take over at Edgar Street had begun the process of payments to the Bulls' football creditors, including their playing staff, nothing has been resolved. And the club are also overdue with their latest PAYE tax demand.
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Post by cheshirecat on Jun 1, 2014 19:00:23 GMT 1
Keeper, Dan Lloyd-Weston, club's player of the season, leaves Hereford United due to contract breach, free agent?http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27604268
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jun 3, 2014 0:44:27 GMT 1
The winding-up petition brought by ex-Hereford boss Martin Foyle against the Bulls has been adjourned for 28 days.
Club officials have been trying to negotiate a settlement with 51-year-old Foyle, now the manager of Southport, for money owed when he left in March.
Having failed to reach an agreement, the Bulls had hoped for an adjournment at the Royal Courts of Justice.
And that 28-day adjournment was duly granted when the case was heard in London on Monday morning.
A statement on the club website confirmed: "The adjournment will give both sides time to continue negotiations."
The Football Conference are scheduled to hold their annual general meeting on Saturday 7 June, when the 2013-14 season will deemed to be officially over.
Conference general manager Dennis Strudwick has told BBC Hereford & Worcester that the club will still need to make a full, viable budget submission for next season, as well as provde proof that they have made all outstanding payments to their football creditors, which included some of their playing staff, by the end of this week.
Bulls chairman David Keyte is reported to have been in talks with three different rival bidders regarding a takeover.
Although a club statement was released on Thursday saying that the consortium of investors involved in trying to take over at Edgar Street had begun the process of payments to the Bulls' football creditors, nothing has been resolved. And the club are also overdue with their latest PAYE tax demand.
Hereford's visit to London on Monday was the third time in four months that the Conference Premier club have faced being wound up.
In both previous cases, brought by Revenue and Customs (HMRC) over unpaid tax bills, the club found the funds to avert being taken to court.
But this time no agreement was reached with Foyle, who brought the action over not only unpaid wages but other monies that he claims he is owed.
The hearing took place at the Royal Courts of Justice, where Chester City were the last English professional football club to be wound up in February 2010.
Chester FC, who were formed following City's liquidation, had been interested spectators in the outcome.
Having gone down instead of Hereford on a dramatic final day of the Conference Premier season just over a month ago, they had hoped for a reprieve.
Meanwhile, it has been confirmed that Bulls director Dave Preedy has chosen to step down from the Hereford board.
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Post by bordersalopian on Jun 3, 2014 20:16:09 GMT 1
New Hereford chairman Tommy Agombar sounds a decent enough fellow.....dubious background, including a 7yr stretch for handling stolen goods which had been robbed from a lorry. In court the presiding judge alledged that 'Mr Agombar was up to his neck in it'
A quick check with Companies House indicate that the last accounts filed for Mr Agombar's registered company Soccer International Ltd only had £59 in the bank...which explains why he could afford to buy out our bovine-bothering friends down the A49!
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Post by jamo on Jun 3, 2014 21:13:10 GMT 1
Christ ! I know desperate times call for desperate measures but bloody hell, they really are a joke of a football club now. This has all the mark of Vaughan of Chester City...and some !
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Post by northwestman on Jun 4, 2014 7:49:23 GMT 1
Christ ! I know desperate times call for desperate measures but bloody hell, they really are a joke of a football club now. This has all the mark of Vaughan of Chester City...and some ! Apparently there may be Vaughan link too as Agombar junior has played for a team managed by Vaughan junior!
Coincidence?
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Post by shrewder on Jun 4, 2014 7:59:12 GMT 1
All sounds very dodgy
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jun 4, 2014 9:08:25 GMT 1
Christ ! I know desperate times call for desperate measures but bloody hell, they really are a joke of a football club now. This has all the mark of Vaughan of Chester City...and some ! Apparently there may be Vaughan link too as Agombar junior has played for a team managed by Vaughan junior!
Coincidence?
No Mr Agombar is a fine upstanding Essex businessman,he owns 6 companies,all of whom have their registered address c/o an accountants based in Doncaster !. Five of the companies were only formed in June/July last year,and as previously stated the other one has £59 in the bank !. It really looks as if HUFC have jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire.I can honestly see them being kicked out of The Conference at The AGM on Saturday
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jun 4, 2014 9:34:39 GMT 1
all sounds very good! **** off hereford
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 10:09:57 GMT 1
our bovine-bothering friends down the A49! As a resident of Hereford I find that comment VERY VERY VERY funny!
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Post by Bordershrew on Jun 5, 2014 18:43:42 GMT 1
Apparently not paid creditors by the 5pm deadline today.
A 7 league relegation is a likely sanction along with others.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 5, 2014 21:35:36 GMT 1
Bulls Banter a seriously good read at the moment.
Keyte and Agombar about as popular as Hamilton and Guterman (and probably with the same objectives).
Still a possibility of some sort of link between Agombar and Vaughan. How ironic if that is the case that it's Chester that is the club that stands to benefit if HUFC are kicked out of the Conference.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 6:24:26 GMT 1
Feel for Hereford fans, need to bite the bullet and reform, under Trust, keyte will be strung up bringing that Agombo or whatever his name Is into the equation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 6:54:13 GMT 1
Good luck Hereford United .
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 6, 2014 9:01:13 GMT 1
I've had more than a few goes at RW in the past, but there are many worse than him out there. The likes of Keyte and Vaughan destroy not only football clubs, but lives too. The amount of donations, fundraising, etc that has been done down the A49 and elsewhere has only gone to line Keytes own pockets, while the creditors are left with nothing. The new chairman looks to me to be the face of some consortium that is only interested in getting their grubby hands on ES and redeveloping the site. Hopefully the council will tell them to jog on and hand over the lease to the HUST, so that they can start up a phoenix club asap. HUFC (or whatever they become) need to keep ES, as without it they won't easily be able to build again, just look how hard Scarborough are finding things in comparison to Jester and Halifax.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 9:11:37 GMT 1
I've had more than a few goes at RW in the past, but there are many worse than him out there. The likes of Keyte and Vaughan destroy not only football clubs, but lives too. The amount of donations, fundraising, etc that has been done down the A49 and elsewhere has only gone to line Keytes own pockets, while the creditors are left with nothing. The new chairman looks to me to be the face of some consortium that is only interested in getting their grubby hands on ES and redeveloping the site. Hopefully the council will tell them to jog on and hand over the lease to the HUST, so that they can start up a phoenix club asap. HUFC (or whatever they become) need to keep ES, as without it they won't easily be able to build again, just look how hard Scarborough are finding things in comparison to Jester and Halifax. Some big accusations there - Keyte lining his own pockets? What is there to back that up? Looks more likely to me that it's a football club that had an unsustainable wage bill, especially when losing football league funding and gates dropping, rather than financial foul play.
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 6, 2014 10:09:49 GMT 1
I've had more than a few goes at RW in the past, but there are many worse than him out there. The likes of Keyte and Vaughan destroy not only football clubs, but lives too. The amount of donations, fundraising, etc that has been done down the A49 and elsewhere has only gone to line Keytes own pockets, while the creditors are left with nothing. The new chairman looks to me to be the face of some consortium that is only interested in getting their grubby hands on ES and redeveloping the site. Hopefully the council will tell them to jog on and hand over the lease to the HUST, so that they can start up a phoenix club asap. HUFC (or whatever they become) need to keep ES, as without it they won't easily be able to build again, just look how hard Scarborough are finding things in comparison to Jester and Halifax. Some big accusations there - Keyte lining his own pockets? What is there to back that up? Looks more likely to me that it's a football club that had an unsustainable wage bill, especially when losing football league funding and gates dropping, rather than financial foul play. I'm pretty sure that Keyte is doing quite nicely thank you very much. Unlike Hereford who look very likely to go down several divisions and end playing on the local parks pitches. I don't know what their financial situation was like when Turner left, but I'm pretty sure they were still in solvent. How long ago was that? 4/5 years? Call it unlucky if you like, or even bad financial management, but someone somewhere had done alright out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 10:12:49 GMT 1
Some big accusations there - Keyte lining his own pockets? What is there to back that up? Looks more likely to me that it's a football club that had an unsustainable wage bill, especially when losing football league funding and gates dropping, rather than financial foul play. I'm pretty sure that Keyte is doing quite nicely thank you very much. Unlike Hereford who look very likely to go down several divisions and end playing on the local parks pitches. I don't know what their financial situation was like when Turner left, but I'm pretty sure they were still in solvent. How long ago was that? 4/5 years? Call it unlucky if you like, or even bad financial management, but someone somewhere had done alright out of it. There's a big difference between bad management and fraud - would expect someone as intelligent as you to be able to make that distinction and not throw around accusations you have no way of proving.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 10:16:21 GMT 1
Some big accusations there - Keyte lining his own pockets? What is there to back that up? Looks more likely to me that it's a football club that had an unsustainable wage bill, especially when losing football league funding and gates dropping, rather than financial foul play. I'm pretty sure that Keyte is doing quite nicely thank you very much. Unlike Hereford who look very likely to go down several divisions and end playing on the local parks pitches. I don't know what their financial situation was like when Turner left, but I'm pretty sure they were still in solvent. How long ago was that? 4/5 years? Call it unlucky if you like, or even bad financial management, but someone somewhere had done alright out of it. Keyte has (allegedly) pumped money into the club as well in order to balance the books. GT through being extremely frugal managed to maintain a football club despite a lack of fans and as everyone knows got them promoted albeit using loan signings. I think that is extremely unfair for you to make these allegations against Keyte and, I presume you wouldnt make these statements face to face with him?
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Post by petshrew on Jun 6, 2014 13:37:42 GMT 1
Theres nothing i'd like more than to see Wrexham in trouble. I'd love to see Wrexham back in the same div as us. Used to be my favourite match of the season, always full of heart from both sets of players, and, really exciting to watch (also for the last few times we played them Shrews came out on top)
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Post by Emu on Jun 6, 2014 16:37:23 GMT 1
Some big accusations there - Keyte lining his own pockets? What is there to back that up? Looks more likely to me that it's a football club that had an unsustainable wage bill, especially when losing football league funding and gates dropping, rather than financial foul play. I'm pretty sure that Keyte is doing quite nicely thank you very much. Unlike Hereford who look very likely to go down several divisions and end playing on the local parks pitches. I don't know what their financial situation was like when Turner left, but I'm pretty sure they were still in solvent. How long ago was that? 4/5 years? Call it unlucky if you like, or even bad financial management, but someone somewhere had done alright out of it. Long time reader and first time poster on these HUFC issues. There are many people as ever who have a remarkable inside line on these issues. I won't get in to detail by detail arguments as so many people seem so well informed. Save to say you should always be careful what you write, you don't know who might be reading and what relations they may have to the subject matter. Serious accusations about someone's integrity let alone implied criminal activity can be seen as obviously defamatory (in a non-legal and arguably legal sense) and clearly people should think carefully before posting them publically. To laugh at the misfortune of another club is unsavoury, perhaps we should concentrate on the balmy summer in Roland's wallet, that is worth thinking about.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 19:06:34 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure that Keyte is doing quite nicely thank you very much. Unlike Hereford who look very likely to go down several divisions and end playing on the local parks pitches. I don't know what their financial situation was like when Turner left, but I'm pretty sure they were still in solvent. How long ago was that? 4/5 years? Call it unlucky if you like, or even bad financial management, but someone somewhere had done alright out of it. Long time reader and first time poster on these HUFC issues. There are many people as ever who have a remarkable inside line on these issues. I won't get in to detail by detail arguments as so many people seem so well informed. Save to say you should always be careful what you write, you don't know who might be reading and what relations they may have to the subject matter. Serious accusations about someone's integrity let alone implied criminal activity can be seen as obviously defamatory (in a non-legal and arguably legal sense) and clearly people should think carefully before posting them publically. To laugh at the misfortune of another club is unsavoury, perhaps we should concentrate on the balmy summer in Roland's wallet, that is worth thinking about. Excellent post.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 20:47:34 GMT 1
RW certainly didn't do a good job last season but the recent chairmanship disasters at Hereford, Chester and Wrexham put things into perspective IMO. And maybe there are some signs that RW is doing some things a little differently this season, but without jeopardising the club's future.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jun 6, 2014 22:08:11 GMT 1
Hereford United have been given a stay of execution by the Football Conference as they wait to see if they will be allowed to remain in the league.
After a four-hour meeting with the Conference board at a hotel in south Wales, Hereford have been told that they must pay all their football creditors by 10:00 BST on Saturday.
The Football Conference are due to hold their Annual General Meeting.
And they want proof that the club's £148,000 worth of debts are paid.
The Conference Premier club, who are also overdue with their latest PAYE tax demand, have been told that they can retain membership of the Conference for the 2014-15 season, assuming that they meet all their financial responsibilities to former manager Martin Foyle, their players and clubs to whom outstanding loan payments are due.
The Football Conference made the following statement after emerging from the meeting, at which chairman David Keyte and director Andrew Green represented the Bulls.
"The board unanimously agreed that the club can retain membership of the limited company and their place in the Football Conference Premier Division providing financial payments are secured as directed by the board," it read.
"Failure to meet the financial conditions imposed, the club's membership would be revoked."
Hereford chairman Keyte and Green, the club's accountant, made an hour-and-a-half-long personal appearance in front of the 11-man Conference board at the meeting, held at Celtic Manor, Newport.
They then left the room before being called back in several times as the situation was discussed with representatives of other Conference clubs.
The Conference had convened to decide whether to expel Hereford from the league after the troubled club failed to meet a 17:00 BST deadline on Thursday to pay their football creditors.
Conference general manager Dennis Strudwick said earlier this week that there would be no extensions to Thursday's deadline.
But Hereford have been under new ownership since announcing on Tuesday that they had been taken over by London businessman Tommy Agombar.
Keyte, whose own future is not yet clear, was reported to have been in talks with three different rival bidders before Agombar's takeover.
The Conference are yet to confirm that the new make-up of the club has satisfied the Football Association's 'owners and directors' credentials, formerly known as the 'Fit and Proper Persons Test'.
The last to fail that test was then-Chester City owner Stephen Vaughan's regime in November 2009,
Chester FC, who were formed following City's liquidation, have been interested spectators in the outcome of Hereford's trails and tribulations this week.
Having gone down instead of Hereford on a dramatic final day of the Conference Premier season just over a month ago, they had been given a lifeline - but now look like being disappointed.
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Post by owdlad on Jun 6, 2014 22:14:44 GMT 1
Hairyfud have to pay all football creditors by 10:00 Saturday.
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Post by Bordershrew on Jun 6, 2014 23:11:22 GMT 1
Hereford United have been given a stay of execution by the Football Conference as they wait to see if they will be allowed to remain in the league. After a four-hour meeting with the Conference board at a hotel in south Wales, Hereford have been told that they must pay all their football creditors by 10:00 BST on Saturday. The Football Conference are due to hold their Annual General Meeting. And they want proof that the club's £148,000 worth of debts are paid. The Conference Premier club, who are also overdue with their latest PAYE tax demand, have been told that they can retain membership of the Conference for the 2014-15 season, assuming that they meet all their financial responsibilities to former manager Martin Foyle, their players and clubs to whom outstanding loan payments are due. The Football Conference made the following statement after emerging from the meeting, at which chairman David Keyte and director Andrew Green represented the Bulls. "The board unanimously agreed that the club can retain membership of the limited company and their place in the Football Conference Premier Division providing financial payments are secured as directed by the board," it read. "Failure to meet the financial conditions imposed, the club's membership would be revoked." Hereford chairman Keyte and Green, the club's accountant, made an hour-and-a-half-long personal appearance in front of the 11-man Conference board at the meeting, held at Celtic Manor, Newport. They then left the room before being called back in several times as the situation was discussed with representatives of other Conference clubs. The Conference had convened to decide whether to expel Hereford from the league after the troubled club failed to meet a 17:00 BST deadline on Thursday to pay their football creditors. Conference general manager Dennis Strudwick said earlier this week that there would be no extensions to Thursday's deadline. But Hereford have been under new ownership since announcing on Tuesday that they had been taken over by London businessman Tommy Agombar. Keyte, whose own future is not yet clear, was reported to have been in talks with three different rival bidders before Agombar's takeover. The Conference are yet to confirm that the new make-up of the club has satisfied the Football Association's 'owners and directors' credentials, formerly known as the 'Fit and Proper Persons Test'. The last to fail that test was then-Chester City owner Stephen Vaughan's regime in November 2009, Chester FC, who were formed following City's liquidation, have been interested spectators in the outcome of Hereford's trails and tribulations this week. Having gone down instead of Hereford on a dramatic final day of the Conference Premier season just over a month ago, they had been given a lifeline - but now look like being disappointed. Here is a link to the story:- m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27737734
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jun 6, 2014 23:17:28 GMT 1
So the coffin-dodging bull-buggerers have evaded yet another bullet. Will they somehow manage to avoid the guillotine again as this 10:00 deadline arrives?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 9:06:19 GMT 1
Feel for HUFC fans - the ground is in the middle of what will become the new city center, there is already a new shopping center where the old cattle market was and the car park at ES is due to be converted to housing.
This leaves the owner of HUFC with 4.5 acres of center real estate.......
Another fun story from the land that oral hygiene forgot- next seasons team is rumored to be largely London based and only traveling to Hereford for games! Some how think that HUFC's charmed life is about to come to a shattering end one way or another :/
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 7, 2014 9:26:11 GMT 1
Perhaps alleging that Keyte was lining his own pockets was a bit extreme and if that offended anyone then I apologise. However there are many small businesses that are owed money by clubs such as Hereford United and it appears that the football authorities couldn't care less about them, as long as the ''football debt'' and the tax man gets paid. I'm sure there are many people on here that know or know of people losing their companies and sometimes even their homes due to to their creditors taking the easy option and going into bankruptcy or the like. It seems as though the football authorities place these hard working people a lot further down the pecking order than clubs that have loaned out players to get match time or experience. Another ugly facet of the beautiful game.
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