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Post by jockeyshrew on Apr 14, 2014 14:40:58 GMT 1
Not sure if I've missed something here...but does anyone know the real reason as to why he left a few months back? Here's hoping it was asked at the Q&A....
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Post by TheFoz on Apr 14, 2014 14:46:58 GMT 1
I think Turner said his services were no longer required here etc, it's best for you to find a new club now instead of sitting on the bench. Then terminated his contract and Turner retired a day later which is very sly, in my opinion. Especially after hearing that Jackson would have liked to keep him
It's a shame Winfield is here for another year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 15:13:40 GMT 1
IIt's a shame Winfield is here for another year. Yeh, especially when you consider how popular and well liked Darren " donkey" Jones was 12 months ago.
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 14, 2014 15:38:49 GMT 1
It's a shame Jones left he has played well this season but you don't know what happened behind closed doors.
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Post by Matster on Apr 14, 2014 16:08:48 GMT 1
If you've got a small squad don't get rid of players. Unless he was on a big wage (similar to the the one for DM claimed on another thread) and we needed to clear wages to get more loanees in!!
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Post by franthetownfan on Apr 14, 2014 17:09:25 GMT 1
If I knew I was an average defender who was probably one of the best players in the squad and I was being benched for who at the time were two complete and utter donkeys then I would want to leave the football club. There must have been more going on than we know, a blind man would pick Jones over those two any day, mind you a blind man would have picked Goldson as well but hey who knows, Jones looked like a leader of men too.
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Post by markglasgow on Apr 14, 2014 18:08:07 GMT 1
No use crying over spilt milk.
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Post by supermac11 on Apr 14, 2014 18:13:21 GMT 1
If I knew I was an average defender who was probably one of the best players in the squad and I was being benched for who at the time were two complete and utter donkeys then I would want to leave the football club. There must have been more going on than we know, a blind man would pick Jones over those two any day, mind you a blind man would have picked Goldson as well but hey who knows, Jones looked like a leader of men too. He was better than Winfield and he could shout aggressively at people but that doesn't mean he was one of the best players in the squad.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Apr 14, 2014 18:39:09 GMT 1
I heard he had a clause which a certain number of appearances triggered another year, like jacobson last year.
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Post by franthetownfan on Apr 14, 2014 18:43:01 GMT 1
If I knew I was an average defender who was probably one of the best players in the squad and I was being benched for who at the time were two complete and utter donkeys then I would want to leave the football club. There must have been more going on than we know, a blind man would pick Jones over those two any day, mind you a blind man would have picked Goldson as well but hey who knows, Jones looked like a leader of men too. He was better than Winfield and he could shout aggressively at people but that doesn't mean he was one of the best players in the squad. At the time; who was better than him in our squad? Weale? Jacobson? Wildig maybe? And please, oh please do not forget what I said in 'at a time'. Our defense hasn't really been good this season, but attacks in league one have been poor. Any team we've gone against bar Wolves really that can attack up to a decent standard we've lost. It doesn't matter because we've got an attack to match it.
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 14, 2014 18:44:14 GMT 1
Jones didn't want to leave, you can tell this by his reaction on twitter
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Post by markglasgow on Apr 14, 2014 18:59:37 GMT 1
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Post by pkd on Apr 14, 2014 19:05:36 GMT 1
1. After the re-signing of Grandison, we had 5 central defenders on contract. It doesn't take a genius to work out that's too many for a club scrimping on the dosh.
2. Therefore It was a sensible idea to off-load one.
3. Jones only had 6 months left on his contract. Much cheaper to pay him off rather than the others.
4. He was also fast approaching 30.
Much as we all love a good conspiracy theory, I would doubt there was any other thought process involved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 19:30:11 GMT 1
Much as we all love a good conspiracy theory, I would doubt there was any other thought process involved. I reckon there was not much thought process in any of the squad development last summer!!
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Post by markglasgow on Apr 14, 2014 19:38:46 GMT 1
Much as we all love a good conspiracy theory, I would doubt there was any other thought process involved. I reckon there was not much thought process in any of the squad development last summer!! Turner also didn't count on Darren Jones turning in Sergio Ramos over the close season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 19:45:30 GMT 1
I reckon there was not much thought process in any of the squad development last summer!! Turner also didn't count on Darren Jones turning in Sergio Ramos over the close season. Mark, com on mate, you know you want to agree it was a strange affair, bin him the go himself the following day, you cannot possibly think that GT did not have an inkling he was going. it was another poor decision that he should have left to his replacement.
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Post by markglasgow on Apr 14, 2014 20:03:14 GMT 1
Turner also didn't count on Darren Jones turning in Sergio Ramos over the close season. Mark, com on mate, you know you want to agree it was a strange affair, bin him the go himself the following day, you cannot possibly think that GT did not have an inkling he was going. it was another poor decision that he should have left to his replacement. Strange affair indeed Paul, but the decision to pay off Jones would have been made before the Rotherham game. Once GT decided he was leaving then the decision would have been passed to the chairman to intervene if he wished. He didn't and Jones was gone....
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Post by jonbond on Apr 14, 2014 20:04:13 GMT 1
Jones left on the Monday , GT told Jackson he was resigning on the Monday .
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Apr 14, 2014 20:40:08 GMT 1
Darren Jones is another player who's reputation seemed to soar in his absence. Like Alex McQuade I suppose.
A glorified pub player making a living in a division where he was clearly out of his depth.
Granted he's probably still better than what we're left with.
We traded in an Austin Allegro for a Lada Riva (Winfield). Neither are League One quality I'm afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 20:56:08 GMT 1
Darren Jones is another player who's reputation seemed to soar in his absence. Like Alex McQuade I suppose. A glorified pub player making a living in a division where he was clearly out of his depth. Granted he's probably still better than what we're left with. We traded in an Austin Allegro for a Lada Riva (Winfield). Neither are League One quality I'm afraid. Bit harsh that. I liked Jones, not the best, but considering we paired him with some right crap he was always going to look poor. As i've said before, he tackled well, put his head in where it hurt, showed he cared and gave his best. Granted his distribution was not the best, but he did what it said on the tin, he DEFENDED. Unfortunately, GT thought others were bettter, and no matter how often he was proved wrong, he continued to play these others and leave Jones on the bench. Its all about opinions, but keep or get rid , that decision was GT's. What i cannot understand is why get rid of a player(any player) when you know you have made the decision to leave the club.
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Post by onthepitch on Apr 14, 2014 21:17:47 GMT 1
I think Darren was better than most give him credit for.. BUT, we needed to improve on last season and I guess 9 times out of 10 you're not going to do that with the same players are you.
If Winfield had played as well as he was supposed to I don't think we'd have a problem with it all, but as it is this looks like one of the biggest blunders of the season.
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 14, 2014 22:24:40 GMT 1
I rated him, last season he built a very good partnership with Grandison. coventry away springs to mind.
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Post by TheFoz on Apr 14, 2014 22:42:31 GMT 1
Didn't look out of his depth in League One to me.
Solid defensively, his distribution just let him down a lot and made him an easy scapegoat when things weren't going right.
Would keeping him on have made a difference to our position? I highly doubt it, we all know the problem has been scoring goals.
We've let in less goals than Peterborough (6th) , Swindon(7th), MK Dons (8th) and a few more, imagine if Turner actually decided to sign a half decent striker in the summer?
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Post by franthetownfan on Apr 15, 2014 1:30:25 GMT 1
Didn't look out of his depth in League One to me. Solid defensively, his distribution just let him down a lot and made him an easy scapegoat when things weren't going right. Would keeping him on have made a difference to our position? I highly doubt it, we all know the problem has been scoring goals. We've let in less goals than Peterborough (6th) , Swindon(7th), MK Dons (8th) and a few more, imagine if Turner actually decided to sign a half decent striker in the summer? All tactics really though I think. Those teams probably attack with much greater numbers than we do, but we'll defend in much higher numbers. Just goes to show eh? But yes, Jones, I think he'd have been great for this scrap.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 12:53:00 GMT 1
Darren Jones is another player who's reputation seemed to soar in his absence. Like Alex McQuade I suppose. A glorified pub player making a living in a division where he was clearly out of his depth. Granted he's probably still better than what we're left with. We traded in an Austin Allegro for a Lada Riva (Winfield). Neither are League One quality I'm afraid. Maybe a bit harsh but agree with the sentiment. Jones is an honest enough player and will certainly give you 100% but he's a limited footballer and L2 is his level. He's an old fashioned stopper of a player but put the ball at his feet or have anyone with pace or great movement then he struggles. Winfield is remarkably similar to Jones in style of play but Id say Jones is slightly more mobile and is more comfortable on the ball but both of them are L2 stopper's. However after a slightly dodgy start I thought that Winfield was turning the corner and put in some decent performances earlier in the season, pretty sure it was the Gillingham & Colchester games where he put in some really brave performances. But after that calamity against Walsall the fans turned and he went back to looking out of his depth I believe GT wanted an old fashioned stopper alongside a more cultured centre half at the back, very much in the Sharps & SCS mould, unfortunately as we know it never worked out
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Post by venceremos on Apr 15, 2014 14:31:03 GMT 1
Goldson and Mkandawire is the best pairing we've had this season. In a more consistent team capable of scoring more than a goal every other game, they'd have had a bit more recognition.
The timing and circumstances of Jones' departure were mysterious, the decision to release him was not. I thought Jones was doing OK but I don't think our season would have looked any different if he'd stayed.
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