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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 11:55:06 GMT 1
You just have to look at sides such as Hereford, Wycombe, Exeter who have been relegated from this league, which is almost nailed on certainty, but its how we bounce back, I have felt that despite being in a higher league, I believe our current squad would also struggle in L2, and see how those sides have struggled, I think that we could also see consecutive relegation struggles!!
The future is not bright, hope I am wrong
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 12:02:55 GMT 1
Does not necessarily follow as Chesterfield, S****horpe, and Rochdale have proved. Hopefully the club, and I think they have now, realise and start to correct mistakes of last 2 years
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 12:03:09 GMT 1
Really depends on the events this summer:
Does Roland go? If no, will he budget sensibly or try and splash cash to win promotion? It Roland does go, will whoever come in be able to offer a decent budget? Regardless of whoever comes in, will Jackson be appointed? If yes, does have the contacts to rebuild a new squad?
Lots and ifs buts.
Worst case scenario I think is Roland stops, Jacko is appointed, he's given a small budget, we build a squad on the cheap and we have a poor start. If that happens that fans will really turn their back on the club, funds will dry up even more and we could struggle in L2
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Post by mattmw on Apr 13, 2014 12:24:24 GMT 1
Worst case scenario I think is Roland stops, Jacko is appointed, he's given a small budget, we build a squad on the cheap and we have a poor start. If that happens that fans will really turn their back on the club, funds will dry up even more and we could struggle in L2 That's my concern to. The way Jackson is talking he seems to be hinting he will be manager next season, but if there is a relegation on his CV the "honeymoon" period in league 2 will be quite short and if we're not in the top ten at Christmas the fall out for attendances might be significant Think the idea of investing in youth is a good one but its not one that happens over night and needs significant investment in scouts, coaches and a willingness to get youngsters in the side. I'm not sure the club has the resources or time to really do that well, yet the resources to sign experienced players seems limited too after the most recent set of accounts. Depressing times for a Salop fan. The benefits the new stadium should have brought look to have been squandered
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 13, 2014 12:27:06 GMT 1
Roland has been quoted as saying he won't leave Shrewsbury in this mess ! And I wouldn'twouldn't think he's too happy with what's been spent on loanee's this season (off the record ) However after the last two summer transfer windows he and whoever is manager (likely to be MJ) will be under the microscope from the first game... Starting the season with less than 18 signed first team players just wouldn't be acceptable so the busiest summer I can remember whichever league were in.... So interesting and challenging times ahead..
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Post by shrewder on Apr 13, 2014 13:09:27 GMT 1
Beginning to look like could be in free fall and Town drop right through to the conference.
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Post by franthetownfan on Apr 13, 2014 13:11:00 GMT 1
Beginning to look like could be in free fall and Town drop right through to the conference. Yeah I said this around Christmas time. You have to look at the standard between the bottom 14 i'd say in this league and about the top 14 in league two. Much difference between them? I don't think so.
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Post by RBA on Apr 13, 2014 13:22:03 GMT 1
much too early to tell I would have thought Everything depends on how much money is available I suspect
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Post by venceremos on Apr 13, 2014 13:40:18 GMT 1
As bad as this season's been, I'm not remotely worried about next season. This season's squad is irrelevant - it'll be a new one by August.
Challenging for promotion isn't a given but is a far more likely scenario than us going into free fall. Four teams are relegated from League 1 every year and no doubt it feels like the end of everything to all their fans. It isn't and won't be for us, assuming it happens.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 13, 2014 13:55:44 GMT 1
Threads like this are ridiculously melodramatic
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 13:56:47 GMT 1
If it's to be league 2 next season then let us take inspiration from the teams currently occupying the top 3 spots in league 2, S****horpe, Rochdale & Chesterfield. All 3 were relegated from league 1 in the last 2 seasons and all are on course to bounce back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 14:12:52 GMT 1
Threads like this are ridiculously melodramatic How?? Or are we to big to go down further??
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Post by Dale on Apr 13, 2014 14:14:56 GMT 1
Sc***horpe have spent quite big this season... as have Chesterfield. Not sure about Rochdale but Keith Hill is a decent manager at that level and to get a small club like them promoted twice when they couldn't manage it for 26 years previous to that is a fantastic achievement.
Clubs like Northampton and Exeter are probably of a similar size and stature to us and Bristol Rovers are even bigger so when you look at them struggling to avoid the drop to the Conference it does make you worry about the long term... and if we ever make 'that' drop again then we could become a non league club for a long, long time.
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Post by onthepitch on Apr 13, 2014 14:26:06 GMT 1
So when we won promotion and did poorly in LG1 the step up in quality was sighted as a reason, yet now it looks nailed on we are heading back down we are saying there's not much difference in quality and we will struggle? I'm not sure we can have it both ways? The top teams in LG2 will be in LG1 next season, so why worry about them? Let's see what the summer brings before we all slit our wrists eh??
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Post by venceremos on Apr 13, 2014 14:45:28 GMT 1
Good post onthepitch. As poor as we've been, we're still within 10 points of half or more of League 1. That doesn't mean it's a poor league, just that there are a lot of closely matched teams below the top group.
If there was a league containing the top half of League 2 and the bottom half of League 1, there'd be little to choose between any of the teams.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 13, 2014 15:23:30 GMT 1
Be interesting to see how the likes of Dale and Chesterfield have gone about things. Whether they had a pretty stable squad in the 3rd and whether they managed to keep that in place when they went down. As the thing that concerns me is the number of loan players we have depended on. When it comes to building a side for next season we are going to have to do so by bringing in a fair few players. I don't think we will struggle next season but neither do I expect us to bounce back quickly either...
Whatever happens I think RW will be chairman and MJ will be manager. Chairman has already mentioned this season that we need to look beyond the current mess. I think he has been planning more for next season then this (which would suggest he will be about come next season).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 15:41:55 GMT 1
Quite easy to sit here and pick out the sides you've mentioned, but what about the likes of Rochdale, Chesterfield, Sc***horpe and Gillingham? There's 2 ways of looking at it.
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Post by markglasgow on Apr 13, 2014 15:45:41 GMT 1
Good to see you yesterday Downie. Glad you made it back from Russia safe and sound.
I can understand the concerns for next season but it really depends on what the squad retention is like.
If we keep hold of Summerfield, Wildig, Woods, Taylor, Grandison, Mkandawire, Winfield and Bradshaw then MJ has a very decent base to build on at L2 level
I think Wealo and JJ will move on but perhaps MJ can persuade Parry to stay on with cut price Player/Coach role?
I for one don't fear the future but it with so many uncertainties I trade any fear with intrepidation.
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Post by spartan on Apr 13, 2014 16:49:24 GMT 1
I think it's interesting to draw comparison with the state of the Club playing-wise and financially as we entered the 2007/08 season - a brave new dawn for STFC.
Playing wise we had a decent spine of players already on our books -Ben Davies,Hibbert,Symes,Cooke ( yes amazingly 3 decent League 2 strikers!!!) Herd, Tierney,Langmead and Drummond.We had a trusted manager in GP.
It all went 'Pete Tong' principally because of the disastrous summer signings of Garner, Kempson, Murdock,Hunt, and an unfit Moss.
But please note we did, at least, have the money to be able to afford those signings. We had topped up the coffers with the play-off run to Wembley in the previous season.
There was the first flush of enthusiasm with home gates averaging around the 5700 mark, despite the pathetic numbers of away supporters for many fixtures. Season ticket sales had boomed.
Despite those very favourable factors we couldn't get the results on the pitch, and sacked our experienced, and much-respected manager 3/4s of the way through the season.
Compare that with the sequence of substantial financial losses in recent years,the fall in attendances and season ticket sales, the rapid deterioration in our cash balance.
An awful lot will depend on how good/realistic is Andy Morrell's secret list of 15 strikers, and on MJ's network of contacts to recruit the right players. We certainly aren't in any shape to buy ourselves out of a possible slide.
A poor start to 2014/15 (assuming MJ's installed as manager for the new season) would exhaust fans' goodwill much quicker than the Gary Peters' final season. Then the Club becomes unstable.....
I think we are in a weaker state now, but it isn't irretrievable with the right decisions acros the entire Club.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 17:22:08 GMT 1
I heard we were going part-time................
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 17:34:45 GMT 1
You just have to look at sides such as Hereford, Wycombe, Exeter who have been relegated from this league, which is almost nailed on certainty, but its how we bounce back, I have felt that despite being in a higher league, I believe our current squad would also struggle in L2, and see how those sides have struggled, I think that we could also see consecutive relegation struggles!!
The future is not bright, hope I am wrong Whilst any relegated team is going to be a bit worried going into the next season, I don't agree with your reasons for predicting another struggle. For every Hereford, Wycombe or Exeter, there is a Gillingham, Chesterfield or Rochdale who bounce back quickly. As for the squad not being good enough, a lot of them are on loan or approaching the end of their contracts, so next season there is likely to be a very different group of players. No reason to be pessimistic or optimistic IMO at the moment but a handful of decent young players signed on permanently is at least something to work with.
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 13, 2014 17:40:29 GMT 1
We still have money and if we go down we will be one of the bigger teams in league 2 who everyone would expect to be challenging for a return to league 1, this will make it easier for us to attract out of contract players.
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Post by mattmw on Apr 13, 2014 19:04:22 GMT 1
Are the rules on wages v turnover based on the most recent accounts or those of this current season?
Think we can only spend 60% of turnover on wages where as when we were last in league 2 it was 75% and our income was higher due to the cup runs. All in all we're probably going to have 20% less to spend on wages which will be a significant issue in both retaining players and signing experienced first team recruits
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 13, 2014 19:16:53 GMT 1
;)Do we get loadsa parachute money for failing just like Wolves?
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Post by northwestman on Apr 13, 2014 19:18:00 GMT 1
If I recall, Keith Hill of Rochdale is another who is on record as being an advocate of having a full squad of his own players supplemented by loans to cover injuries.
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Post by atcham jack on Apr 13, 2014 20:30:12 GMT 1
i think it is a bit of a damn cheek, some of us calling for RW to go. it is his family's club, we are merely the spectators. yes we have our opinions, and we know RW can get very hurt by some of the more insulting comments on here.
for my twopennyworth, i would suggest the wycherley family expand the board to include in addition to the existing businessmen, people of vision and commercial experience to make full use of the stadium and raise more cash.
i would like to see our sponsors donate a new small car, and raffle tickets could be sold at home games throughout the season and the prize awarded to the winning ticket in say May.
we need an urgent re brand with saleable goods on sale in the shop and online. there is so much we as a fanbase can suggest and do to help the club, if only we were listened to.
please next season may we have a squad of say 18 with a mixture of youth and players of experience and age, some of whom could double as coaches.
i wish Jacko and the lads all the luck in our last 4 vital games. FS
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 21:20:36 GMT 1
Our current finances allow us to be very competitive budget wise with the top teams in league 2.
So actually, the key unknown (aside from whether we will be relegated!) is who the manager is.
One should never rule out anything but I am much more concerned about a slow decline to being a club with a 3 million turnover and 4,000 gates, than being concerned about finishing 23rd or 24th in league two
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Post by stfcfan87 on Apr 13, 2014 23:41:22 GMT 1
Our current finances allow us to be very competitive budget wise with the top teams in league 2. So actually, the key unknown (aside from whether we will be relegated!) is who the manager is. One should never rule out anything but I am much more concerned about a slow decline to being a club with a 3 million turnover and 4,000 gates, than being concerned about finishing 23rd or 24th in league two I'd far rather have RW still be our chairman next season than have Jackson as manager
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Post by austinberkleysson on Apr 14, 2014 0:07:31 GMT 1
I think fears of a double relegation are a bit dramatic, and certainly concerns from a financial perspective. RW has managed the club well and we need to be grateful for his handling of STFC.
We've had ups and downs but since relegation to the Conference a clear - and, crucially, realistic - strategy for progress appears to have been in place: getting promoted back to the Football League, a new stadium, spending money when we could afford to, knocking on the door of League One then finally getting there.
Like many others, I am incredibly disappointed with what looks like it will be a missed opportunity to establish ourselves as a third tier club. I honestly don't know what has happened this season for it to come to this and after putting so much energy in getting to Lge 1, relegation would be our own fault.
I also accept there is nothing guaranteed about a promotion charge next season, should we get relegated.
But consider what so many other teams have gone through in the last decade - the likes of Boston, Luton, Darlington, Stockport. RW has never appeared to put our stability at risk.
Relegation would be tough if it happens. League Two would be tough. But, however shocking this season is, it is a blip on RW's CV. A lot of questions need to be answered, but RW deserves our support and the benefit of the doubt that he will try to put things right.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 14, 2014 9:02:18 GMT 1
Relegation would be tough if it happens. League Two would be tough. But, however shocking this season is, it is a blip on RW's CV. A lot of questions need to be answered, but RW deserves our support and the benefit of the doubt that he will try to put things right. Blip? Really?
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