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Post by ambergambler on Apr 7, 2014 14:27:59 GMT 1
I heard a rumour going round on Saturday that summerfield has been treated the last few months for the wrong type of injury!! Has this hampered his recovery and has anyone else heard this??
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Post by barrynic on Apr 7, 2014 18:19:49 GMT 1
Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 19:37:07 GMT 1
No.
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Post by Uncle_Monkey on Apr 7, 2014 19:48:47 GMT 1
Maybe
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 19:50:03 GMT 1
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Post by Matster on Apr 7, 2014 19:50:10 GMT 1
Nope
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Post by Uncle_Monkey on Apr 7, 2014 20:03:54 GMT 1
Can one of the Mods set up a poll?
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Post by lenny on Apr 7, 2014 20:20:01 GMT 1
Can one of the Mods set up a poll? No.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 8, 2014 16:38:11 GMT 1
Been asked to pass something on from the Whitters as I think he is worried about this rumor becoming fact!
"Summers had an MRI scan at the start of his problem which divulged the exact problem so it couldn't have been misdiagnosed"
Cheers
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Post by barrynic on Apr 8, 2014 18:52:35 GMT 1
Well, that is a million miles away from what I heard........well the time of the scan certainly is.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 8, 2014 19:27:22 GMT 1
Be that as it may, is either Summerfield or McAllister going to be fit for Tranmere? Certainly hope so as I'm not sure whether a Wildig - Woods pairing will give us enough grit in the middle.
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Post by barrynic on Apr 9, 2014 6:40:36 GMT 1
If Summerfield is over his injury he may have to be gradually returned to the team due to match fitness.
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Post by ambergambler on Apr 9, 2014 7:58:43 GMT 1
Been asked to pass something on from the Whitters as I think he is worried about this rumor becoming fact! "Summers had an MRI scan at the start of his problem which divulged the exact problem so it couldn't have been misdiagnosed" Cheers The problem may have been diagnosed but was the treatment correct for that injury?
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Apr 9, 2014 23:42:31 GMT 1
We could always slot winfield or grandison in at CB and play Tam in CM. Everyone keeps saying hes a defensive mid. And from what ive seen i like the look when he gets the right side of the half way line! I think he just runs or passes towards whichever goal hes nearest to at the time!
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Post by franthetownfan on Apr 12, 2014 14:11:58 GMT 1
Back in the side today!
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Post by littlebluefoot on Apr 12, 2014 14:33:11 GMT 1
yes
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Post by Liam on Apr 12, 2014 20:00:37 GMT 1
He didn't look like a man who'd been out for several months. We've missed him. Which ever division we end up in next year, we need to be trying to sign him up. He's coming up to the peak age of his career, and I reckon him and Wildig would be very, very dangerous in League 2.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 20:13:14 GMT 1
I think we might struggle to resign Summerfield if we go down as I would imagine he will get an offer or two to stay in L1. We certainly might have had a few more points in the bag if he had not got injured at the start of the year... the replacements have just not been at his level.
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Post by Liam on Apr 12, 2014 20:19:06 GMT 1
I think we might struggle to resign Summerfield if we go down as I would imagine he will get an offer or two to stay in L1. We certainly might have had a few more points in the bag if he had not got injured at the start of the year... the replacements have just not been at his level. Without wishing to repeat something I've said on here many times before, our contract policy in instances like this really p**ses me off. Summerfield is 26, coming into his prime, and if and when he leaves we'll get no money for him, and you couldn't blame him for wanting to do so. We should have been trying to tie him down for longer ages ago. It's irrelevant that we didn't know what division we'd be in, he'd be very useful in either, and a relegation/promotion clause is a completely standard part of a 21st century footballer's contract.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Apr 12, 2014 20:38:33 GMT 1
I think we might struggle to resign Summerfield if we go down as I would imagine he will get an offer or two to stay in L1. We certainly might have had a few more points in the bag if he had not got injured at the start of the year... the replacements have just not been at his level. Without wishing to repeat something I've said on here many times before, our contract policy in instances like this really p**ses me off. Summerfield is 26, coming into his prime, and if and when he leaves we'll get no money for him, and you couldn't blame him for wanting to do so. We should have been trying to tie him down for longer ages ago. It's irrelevant that are didn't know what division we'd be in, he'd be very useful in either, and a relegation/promotion clause is a completely standard part of a 21st century footballer's contract. Totally agree Liam, it's a total joke. Wildig is out of contract too, no news on him. The two might be very good in division 2 together but as it is neither might be here. I actually did wonder if Summerfield would come back from this injury this season, but suddenly he does and plays full 90 without looking off the pace. Bizarre
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Post by mattmw on Apr 12, 2014 20:49:11 GMT 1
We couldn't keep our best players when we went from League two to one, so think its going to be hard to see Weale, Summerfield, Jacobson and Wildig with us next season
Add in uncertainty over the managers position and our noted poor stance on contracts and it could be another close season of disappointment and starting the season with a paper thin squad
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Post by shrewd67 on Apr 12, 2014 21:38:50 GMT 1
We couldn't keep our best players when we went from League two to one, so think its going to be hard to see Weale, Summerfield, Jacobson and Wildig with us next season Add in uncertainty over the managers position and our noted poor stance on contracts and it could be another close season of disappointment and starting the season with a paper thin squad I think Jacobson had a very poor game today, League 2 might be his level.
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Post by supermac11 on Apr 12, 2014 21:47:02 GMT 1
Not to worry because we'll still have Winfield
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Apr 12, 2014 23:55:22 GMT 1
It Was Good to see Summerfield back in the Side Today. And I through that he had a good game as well.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Apr 13, 2014 0:41:57 GMT 1
We couldn't keep our best players when we went from League two to one, so think its going to be hard to see Weale, Summerfield, Jacobson and Wildig with us next season Add in uncertainty over the managers position and our noted poor stance on contracts and it could be another close season of disappointment and starting the season with a paper thin squad I think Jacobson had a very poor game today, League 2 might be his level. Over-reaction! Jacobson might have had a poor game today - although that might not be just as i'll have to see the goals again for blaming him. But until his injury he was possibly our best player this season and proved himself to be good enough last season too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 9:43:18 GMT 1
Even if we offered a contract to Summers who is to say he’d sign it.
If/when we get relegated I wouldn’t be surprised if he was offered a contract in a 3rd tier team because he’s more than capable at this level.
Same goes for Wildig.
Mind you I did hear yesterday from somebody who was at the AGM on Thursday that Woods has signed a two year contract. I may of miss understood though.
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Post by supermac11 on Apr 13, 2014 9:47:06 GMT 1
Even if we offered a contract to Summers who is to say he’d sign it. If/when we get relegated I wouldn’t be surprised if he was offered a contract in a 3rd tier team because he’s more than capable at this level. Same goes for Wildig. Mind you I did hear yesterday from somebody who was at the AGM on Thursday that Woods has signed a two year contract. I may of miss understood though. Agreed -If their agents are any good they will be looking to get them a series of offers. I suppose for Wildig, he's probably more likely to get first team football staying with us. Summerfield at his age will surely be looking to play higher than L2.
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Post by Liam on Apr 13, 2014 10:19:25 GMT 1
Even if we offered a contract to Summers who is to say he’d sign it. Nobody, but we still ought to try! I'm not saying the club hasn't raised the possibility with him and his agent, I'm sure it has, but that's not the same thing as actually offering him a longer or improved contract to sign. Last summer would have been a good time to do this, for example - a feel good factor about us staying up fresh in the mind, and him an established part of the first team. Clearly the club does do some behind the scenes negotiation, but it's very, very rare for us to see a senior pro, or even a youngster, sign an improved contract at any time other than the summer. Other clubs do this as a matter of course and, quite frankly, if you compare our record on player recruitment and retention to that of most other clubs recently, the comparison is not a favourable one!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 10:36:10 GMT 1
Even if we offered a contract to Summers who is to say he’d sign it. Nobody, but we still ought to try! I'm not saying the club hasn't raised the possibility with him and his agent, I'm sure it has, but that's not the same thing as actually offering him a longer or improved contract to sign. Last summer would have been a good time to do this, for example - a feel good factor about us staying up fresh in the mind, and him an established part of the first team. Clearly the club does do some behind the scenes negotiation, but it's very, very rare for us to see a senior pro, or even a youngster, sign an improved contract at any time other than the summer. Other clubs do this as a matter of course and, quite frankly, if you compare our record on player recruitment and retention to that of most other clubs recently, the comparison is not a favourable one!Completely agree. Normally when the contract debate comes up there's people who will give three responses as to why the club shouldnt negotiate earlier: 1) There's no guarantee he will say yes - A valid argument but Id counter that by it at least it gives the impression he is wanted by STFC. If we arent offering him anything and other clubs come sniffing around then his head is going to get turned. If he does turn us down then at least we have longer to negotiate or eye up a replacement 2) We may tie them down but they get injured and/or a a failure - Always a risk but isnt a new risk and has been the case for many, many teams. Plus as he is already a player at STFC so you'd like to think they have at least a bit of knowledge on the playes ability 3) It may unsettle other players - Like point 2 this is not a new risk and is up the the manager to manage. In every organisation there are people with more ability who are paid better and are viewed as more important than other staff, thats a fact of life and again is up to the powers that be to manager The problem is we seem to deal with everything so late. We offer contracts in May, they inevitably get turned down in June/July and we are then trying to get replacements when lots of the players elsewhere have been snapped up. The James Collins episode is the best example of that and one we have never recovered from
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 10:42:07 GMT 1
Even if we offered a contract to Summers who is to say he’d sign it. Nobody, but we still ought to try! I'm not saying the club hasn't raised the possibility with him and his agent, I'm sure it has, but that's not the same thing as actually offering him a longer or improved contract to sign. Last summer would have been a good time to do this, for example - a feel good factor about us staying up fresh in the mind, and him an established part of the first team. Clearly the club does do some behind the scenes negotiation, but it's very, very rare for us to see a senior pro, or even a youngster, sign an improved contract at any time other than the summer. Other clubs do this as a matter of course and, quite frankly, if you compare our record on player recruitment and retention to that of most other clubs recently, the comparison is not a favourable one!I don’t think it’s that simple it’s all very well offering players longer and improved contracts when they are in form, but we don’t know what the future holds. A good example is Grandison. If we had offered him an improved long term contract we’d have a player on our hands who is nowhere his pre – injury levels. Dave Mac is on a three year contract and he’s not a regular. A Club like ours can’t afford to take the risk and the accounts bear this out.
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