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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 10:36:44 GMT 1
Yes, I wrote him a letter on the day of Mike Jacksons Q&A listing reasons why I felt the club had let down it's fanbase and I was seriously considering not renewing my ST, and then at the Q&A stated to M J that he was answering questions that RW should answer. The following morning I had a phonecall from RW which lasted about 15 minutes resulting in him inviting me for coffee and to discuss further. One of the points in my letter was a request to address the fans which in fairness he did do at the Supporters Parliament! Fair play Fred, shows there is still a heart beating behind the doors of Greenhous Towers. We have renewed regardless but I feel a little encouraged by your post!
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Post by northwestman on Apr 14, 2014 11:26:13 GMT 1
Yes, I wrote him a letter on the day of Mike Jacksons Q&A listing reasons why I felt the club had let down it's fanbase and I was seriously considering not renewing my ST, and then at the Q&A stated to M J that he was answering questions that RW should answer. The following morning I had a phonecall from RW which lasted about 15 minutes resulting in him inviting me for coffee and to discuss further. One of the points in my letter was a request to address the fans which in fairness he did do at the Supporters Parliament! Fair play Fred, shows there is still a heart beating behind the doors of Greenhous Towers. We have renewed regardless but I feel a little encouraged by your post! But what did RW say?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 11:48:31 GMT 1
I had a meeting with Roland Wycherley last week, and was assured he is aware now with hindsight the club has made mistakes and is determined to put it right. His intention is to remain as Chairman for the next 2 to 3 seasons. After long consideration and on the basis of what RW had to say I renewed my season ticket late on Friday, although my lad has not renewed as he will be unable to attend many Shrewsbury games next season through work, but it does give an opportunity to share the ticket. Keeping the seat was one reason to renew. (Seeing my wife draw up a list of DIY jobs might have had something to do with it as well lol) I expect attendances will drop by about 1000 next season, but hopefully by no more. We have one of the most important close seasons regarding decision making at STFC, even if we produced an unlikely escape from relegation! that is the most depressing thing i have read in many a year from STFC
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 12:07:18 GMT 1
The tories will win the next general election!that is the most depressing thing i have read in many a year With you on that one Mr D!
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Post by heavyglow on Apr 14, 2014 12:42:44 GMT 1
I had a meeting with Roland Wycherley last week, and was assured he is aware now with hindsight the club has made mistakes and is determined to put it right. His intention is to remain as Chairman for the next 2 to 3 seasons. After long consideration and on the basis of what RW had to say I renewed my season ticket late on Friday, although my lad has not renewed as he will be unable to attend many Shrewsbury games next season through work, but it does give an opportunity to share the ticket. Keeping the seat was one reason to renew. (Seeing my wife draw up a list of DIY jobs might have had something to do with it as well lol) I expect attendances will drop by about 1000 next season, but hopefully by no more. We have one of the most important close seasons regarding decision making at STFC, even if we produced an unlikely escape from relegation! that is the most depressing thing i have read in many a year from STFC Depressing how? Sounds fairly heartening if anything.
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Post by Matster on Apr 14, 2014 12:44:03 GMT 1
The tories will win the next general election!that is the most depressing thing i have read in many a year With you on that one Mr D! Worse still, Farage won't work with Cameron. So it'll have to be Farage as leader with Osborne as deputy... Or worse still Osborne as leader and Farage as deputy... Or worse still Gove as leader and Farage as deputy - we'd be back in Victorian England. Cripes!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 12:45:12 GMT 1
I had a meeting with Roland Wycherley last week, and was assured he is aware now with hindsight the club has made mistakes and is determined to put it right. His intention is to remain as Chairman for the next 2 to 3 seasons. After long consideration and on the basis of what RW had to say I renewed my season ticket late on Friday, although my lad has not renewed as he will be unable to attend many Shrewsbury games next season through work, but it does give an opportunity to share the ticket. Keeping the seat was one reason to renew. (Seeing my wife draw up a list of DIY jobs might have had something to do with it as well lol) I expect attendances will drop by about 1000 next season, but hopefully by no more. We have one of the most important close seasons regarding decision making at STFC, even if we produced an unlikely escape from relegation! that is the most depressing thing i have read in many a year from STFC As Fred has experienced an epiphany, maybe the Chairman could share his thoughts with us all, so we can all benefit from his words of wisdom. Otherwise we have to look on Fred as one of two things, The Chosen One or Court Ass-licker.??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 12:54:13 GMT 1
that is the most depressing thing i have read in many a year from STFC As Fred has experienced an epiphany, maybe the Chairman could share his thoughts with us all, so we can all benefit from his words of wisdom. Otherwise we have to look on Fred as one of two things, The Chosen One or Court Ass-licker.?? I would not go that far, I think he will speak one to one with most if requested, said does not like audiences but did a Q&A with the Parliament which I did not attend but quite a few on B&A did!
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Post by camdenshrew on Apr 14, 2014 12:58:10 GMT 1
I like the bit about "with hindsight." It's the foresight that has been the problem. How could anybody think that starting the season with only Bradshaw and Marsden as signed strikers lead to anything but trouble?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 12:58:53 GMT 1
I had a meeting with Roland Wycherley last week, and was assured he is aware now with hindsight the club has made mistakes and is determined to put it right. His intention is to remain as Chairman for the next 2 to 3 seasons. After long consideration and on the basis of what RW had to say I renewed my season ticket late on Friday, although my lad has not renewed as he will be unable to attend many Shrewsbury games next season through work, but it does give an opportunity to share the ticket. Keeping the seat was one reason to renew. (Seeing my wife draw up a list of DIY jobs might have had something to do with it as well lol) I expect attendances will drop by about 1000 next season, but hopefully by no more. We have one of the most important close seasons regarding decision making at STFC, even if we produced an unlikely escape from relegation! Well done you and well done RW. Will you be changing your username to "Fred in the Board Room" ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 13:00:55 GMT 1
I had a meeting with Roland Wycherley last week, and was assured he is aware now with hindsight the club has made mistakes and is determined to put it right. Very admirable from the chairman and Im not doubting his intentions. My concern would be last summer we heard something very similar and how we'd learn from our mistakes this season, instead we not only made the same mistakes as last season but went even further If we get relegated and if Roland remains then expect crowds to be dropping to low 4,000's at the start of next season. If we have a poor start then they will dip below 4,000, and from then we are stuck in the vicious circle of less revenue > struggling to attract players > poor team > struggling on the field > smaller gates (and back round to less revenue)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 13:10:03 GMT 1
I had a meeting with Roland Wycherley last week, and was assured he is aware now with hindsight the club has made mistakes and is determined to put it right. Very admirable from the chairman and Im not doubting his intentions. My concern would be last summer we heard something very similar and how we'd learn from our mistakes this season, instead we not only made the same mistakes as last season but went even further If we get relegated and if Roland remains then expect crowds to be dropping to low 4,000's at the start of next season. If we have a poor start then they will dip below 4,000, and from then we are stuck in the vicious circle of less revenue > struggling to attract players > poor team > struggling on the field > smaller gates (and back round to less revenue) I agree
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 13:37:28 GMT 1
As Fred has experienced an epiphany, maybe the Chairman could share his thoughts with us all, so we can all benefit from his words of wisdom. Otherwise we have to look on Fred as one of two things, The Chosen One or Court Ass-licker.?? I would not go that far, I think he will speak one to one with most if requested, said does not like audiences but did a Q&A with the Parliament which I did not attend but quite a few on B&A did! Obviously my comments were more than anything else, no offense meant. But, my point remains that if his talk with you encouraged you to re-new your ST and maybe re-invigorated you as a long time supporter, then maybe he would do well to share his thoughts with the wider fan-base?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 14:01:25 GMT 1
I would not go that far, I think he will speak one to one with most if requested, said does not like audiences but did a Q&A with the Parliament which I did not attend but quite a few on B&A did! Obviously my comments were more than anything else, no offense meant. But, my point remains that if his talk with you encouraged you to re-new your ST and maybe re-invigorated you as a long time supporter, then maybe he would do well to share his thoughts with the wider fan-base? Why would I feel offended? I am not sure re-invigorated is the correct term, just thought I would stick with the thin for another season, I suppose I did feel better at the time being able to express my feelings to RW, although it doesn't count for much. The problem is the horse has bolted, financially I doubt the club have the clout it did the season we were promoted, and we have missed an opportunity in League One.
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Post by mattmw on Apr 14, 2014 14:09:40 GMT 1
I would not go that far, I think he will speak one to one with most if requested, said does not like audiences but did a Q&A with the Parliament which I did not attend but quite a few on B&A did! Obviously my comments were more than anything else, no offense meant. But, my point remains that if his talk with you encouraged you to re-new your ST and maybe re-invigorated you as a long time supporter, then maybe he would do well to share his thoughts with the wider fan-base? Does seem a good point. It wouldn't seem a great use of the chairmans time to see each fan individually when a general statement or interview on shrews web could reach far more people more quickly. Fair play for contacting the club directly but in my view giving info to supporters/customers should be something the club does as a matter of course. It's not upto the fans to have to ask all the time
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 14:15:19 GMT 1
giving info to supporters/customers should be something the club does as a matter of course. It's not upto the fans to have to ask all the time That was one my main points in my letter and meeting!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 17:17:56 GMT 1
that is the most depressing thing i have read in many a year from STFC Depressing how? Sounds fairly heartening if anything. Heartening? Really!! so another 2 or 3 seasons with a stubborn pensioner who refuses to speak to fans as group, who refuses to allow anyone to question his decisions, and will sack the first person who disagrees with him, and will not allow others to help him in important club policy and become equal members of the board. That is depressing!! its stubbornness at its highest order, allow the Passant group to take the reigns.... and those supporters could be at the helm for another 15 - 20 years as they have the same passion as RW. but his ego is in the way, and in 2 or 3 years time, the possibility of local businessmen could be long gone!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 17:58:22 GMT 1
Depressing how? Sounds fairly heartening if anything. Heartening? Really!! so another 2 or 3 seasons with a stubborn pensioner who refuses to speak to fans as group, who refuses to allow anyone to question his decisions, and will sack the first person who disagrees with him, and will not allow others to help him in important club policy and become equal members of the board. That is depressing!! its stubbornness at its highest order, allow the Passant group to take the reigns.... and those supporters could be at the helm for another 15 - 20 years as they have the same passion as RW. but his ego is in the way, and in 2 or 3 years time, the possibility of local businessmen could be long gone! I can never understand why people use the word "pensioner" in a derogatory way to support their argument. Are people rendered useless when they hit 60 or 65? Man Utd don't exactly seem happy at the moment that their stubborn pensioner left.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 18:06:06 GMT 1
Whatever floats your boat Paul, wont change my mind, still does not change the fact his ego is getting in the way!!
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Post by Matster on Apr 14, 2014 18:19:19 GMT 1
Heartening? Really!! so another 2 or 3 seasons with a stubborn pensioner who refuses to speak to fans as group, who refuses to allow anyone to question his decisions, and will sack the first person who disagrees with him, and will not allow others to help him in important club policy and become equal members of the board. That is depressing!! its stubbornness at its highest order, allow the Passant group to take the reigns.... and those supporters could be at the helm for another 15 - 20 years as they have the same passion as RW. but his ego is in the way, and in 2 or 3 years time, the possibility of local businessmen could be long gone! I can never understand why people use the word "pensioner" in a derogatory way to support their argument. Are people rendered useless when they hit 60 or 65? Man Utd don't exactly seem happy at the moment that their stubborn pensioner left. Our country is near enough run by them. Quite a few in the Houses of Parliament and a lot more House of Lords.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 18:38:55 GMT 1
Whatever floats your boat Paul, wont change my mind, still does not change the fact his ego is getting in the way!! Sounds like it maybe you that's the stubborn one...
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Post by markglasgow on Apr 14, 2014 18:39:43 GMT 1
Won't be losing too much sleep over the news the chairman will stay on. He may not be perfect but who is?
Perhaps some perspective is required. Would much prefer this approach than RW trying to bolt out the door in the summer, passing the reigns on to whoever fancies being the next Pete Winkleman or Darragh MacAnthony.
I'm certainly not in the 'Anyone but RW' camp. There may be better men out there for the job but they are certainly not queuing up to relinquish control....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 18:40:32 GMT 1
Possibly, but I have not presided over 2 disastrous seasons at the helm of Shropshire's only league team
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 22:18:41 GMT 1
That our chairman loves the club is not in question.
That he loves its fans is.
I'm surprised fredintheshed has folded so easily on this one.
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Post by shrewsace on Apr 14, 2014 22:49:26 GMT 1
Just got round to watching the Q&A.
It was painful watching Jackson having to defend what his winces told us he knew to be the indefensible.
Most elbow-chewing bit was when he tried to put a 'we'll learn from this season' spin on it, and someone pointed out we'd repeated all of last season's mistakes.
Not his fault, plainly, and I thought he spoke well in the circumstances (although I am starting to wonder if 'talking a good game' is his major talent), but when your common or garden fan can see the car crash coming a mile off...
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Post by stfcfan87 on Apr 14, 2014 23:33:50 GMT 1
Just got round to watching the Q&A. It was painful watching Jackson having to defend what his winces told us he knew to be the indefensible. Most elbow-chewing bit was when he tried to put a 'we'll learn from this season' spin on it, and someone pointed out we'd repeated all of last season's mistakes. Not his fault, plainly, and I thought he spoke well in the circumstances (although I am starting to wonder if 'talking a good game' is his major talent), but when your common or garden fan can see the car crash coming a mile off... Yeah I kinda feel the same He said a lot of things in the Q&A such as how we'll have to go for it in matches - I'm not convinced we have. As I put on another thread, we've actually got less goals per game under Jackson than we did under GT, and that's with us 'going for it'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 13:04:13 GMT 1
Perhaps some perspective is required. Would much prefer this approach than RW trying to bolt out the door in the summer, passing the reigns on to whoever fancies being the next Pete Winkleman or Darragh MacAnthony. There may be better men out there for the job but they are certainly not queuing up to relinquish control.... Ive heard these two things stated a few times when the question of Roland going comes up, to respond: 1) Yes Roland's replacement could be an egotistical man who does he want with no regard for the fans and doesnt engage with us (then again how would we know the difference..................) . But equally he could be a genuine fan who is a successful businessman and has a very different outlook to Roland on how to run a football club which tries and takes us forward as a football club 2) We dont know if there are people out there who want the club but it doesnt mean there arent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 13:07:07 GMT 1
Onto the season ticket front, I know a few people who are taking a risk and waiting till the summer before deciding. Its not necessarily to see what league we are in, who is manager or even whether Roland goes, its actually to see whether we will sign some players or continue down this loan route. People are fed up of watching players who will be leaving the club in a month or two
And forgive them for failing to believe the "we will learn from our mistakes" lines coming from the club
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Post by venceremos on Apr 15, 2014 14:18:11 GMT 1
If we get relegated and if Roland remains then expect crowds to be dropping to low 4,000's at the start of next season. If we have a poor start then they will dip below 4,000, and from then we are stuck in the vicious circle of less revenue > struggling to attract players > poor team > struggling on the field > smaller gates (and back round to less revenue) Well you might be right but, on the other hand, S****horpe have survived and thrived in what probably appeared similar circumstances a year ago, not to mention Rochdale and Chesterfield on their way back after a couple of seasons. I just don't believe it's ever that predictable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 16:03:01 GMT 1
I'm surprised fredintheshed has folded so easily on this one. Not at all, does not necessarily mean my concerns and views have changed!
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