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Post by shrewsTRUST on Oct 4, 2011 15:52:26 GMT 1
From a personal perspective, Im not knocking the Trust, Super Blues or any fan trying to contribute to a better match experience and trying to recognise our history My frustration is why should it be down to the fans to do this in the first place. I cant comment from the club point of view, no idea what goes on money wise there. my assumption is that every spare penny is spent on what is needed rather than what is wanted. This project isn't vital to the existance of the club, it is just something that we as supporters want. so i guess it is not a priority, more something that the club would like to do if funds were available. But like i said earlier, the only money that goes into the club, with the exception of occasional grants, comes from the supporters anyway, so even if the club pays for it, it is the fans money they will be predominantly spending. Even if one of the directors or the chairman paid out of their own personal money, it would still be a fan paying. I really dont get this "us and them" mentality. this is our club as a group of supporters, there are regular complaints that the supporters and club are too far apart and not united. Then when there is a project that sees the club and supporters working on something good, some of you arent happy with that! I really do think that this board has more than it's fair share of whingers who arent happy unless they can find some reason to take the moral high ground. We have put this sponsorship scheme out to everybody, but the only place that people whinge about it, is here.
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Post by SheffieldShrew on Oct 5, 2011 11:35:44 GMT 1
Stick me down for a tenner
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 12:54:40 GMT 1
From a personal perspective, Im not knocking the Trust, Super Blues or any fan trying to contribute to a better match experience and trying to recognise our history My frustration is why should it be down to the fans to do this in the first place. I cant comment from the club point of view, no idea what goes on money wise there. my @rseumption is that every spare penny is spent on what is needed rather than what is wanted. This project isn't vital to the existance of the club, it is just something that we as supporters want. so i guess it is not a priority, more something that the club would like to do if funds were available. But like i said earlier, the only money that goes into the club, with the exception of occasional grants, comes from the supporters anyway, so even if the club pays for it, it is the fans money they will be predominantly spending. Even if one of the directors or the chairman paid out of their own personal money, it would still be a fan paying. I really dont get this "us and them" mentality. this is our club as a group of supporters, there are regular complaints that the supporters and club are too far apart and not united. Then when there is a project that sees the club and supporters working on something good, some of you arent happy with that! I really do think that this board has more than it's fair share of whingers who arent happy unless they can find some reason to take the moral high ground. We have put this sponsorship scheme out to everybody, but the only place that people whinge about it, is here. Its not me taking the moral high ground or moaning for the sake of it. Il repeat that my frustration is that the club have moved grounds and made the experience a hell of a lot more inconvenient for a large percentage of fans, as well as it becoming more expensive and arguably less enjoyable. And if it were not for the actions of fans and fans groups, the experience would be even less enjoyable and less convenient. Is it not too much to ask that in return for making it more difficult and more expensive to follow the team, the club would do their best to make the matchday experience as pleasurable as possible by brightening up concourses, installing tv's that work etc. Im not talking stupid expensive things such as giants screens etc, but just some of the more basic things you would expect from a new ground. If we are honest the ground move was money orientated and purely down to that, it was down to the fact we could not make money 365 days a year at the old place but we can now. That was no secret and its not sinsister because hopefully that extra money will go back into the club and can be used to attract better players as well as general running costs. However as Ive mentioned above, in all of this, it appears that the fans experience has been forgotten about and the attitude appears to be that we should be happy because we have a shiny plastic seat to sit in. Il repeat that Im not criticising any supporters groups and I do appreciate the trusts efforts with the concourses, it looks very impressive and brightens up a grey, cold concourse. However why did the club not consider these sort of things from the outset? Was it down to expense or just no desire on their part. We are customers afterall arent we, so surely they should want the best possible experience for their customers? Finally you have said that this is a club and fans combined project, can I ask what is the clubs involvement in this? Genuine question
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Post by shrewsTRUST on Oct 5, 2011 14:20:09 GMT 1
I cant comment from the club point of view, no idea what goes on money wise there. my @rseumption is that every spare penny is spent on what is needed rather than what is wanted. This project isn't vital to the existance of the club, it is just something that we as supporters want. so i guess it is not a priority, more something that the club would like to do if funds were available. But like i said earlier, the only money that goes into the club, with the exception of occasional grants, comes from the supporters anyway, so even if the club pays for it, it is the fans money they will be predominantly spending. Even if one of the directors or the chairman paid out of their own personal money, it would still be a fan paying. I really dont get this "us and them" mentality. this is our club as a group of supporters, there are regular complaints that the supporters and club are too far apart and not united. Then when there is a project that sees the club and supporters working on something good, some of you arent happy with that! I really do think that this board has more than it's fair share of whingers who arent happy unless they can find some reason to take the moral high ground. We have put this sponsorship scheme out to everybody, but the only place that people whinge about it, is here. Its not me taking the moral high ground or moaning for the sake of it. Il repeat that my frustration is that the club have moved grounds and made the experience a hell of a lot more inconvenient for a large percentage of fans, as well as it becoming more expensive and arguably less enjoyable. And if it were not for the actions of fans and fans groups, the experience would be even less enjoyable and less convenient. Is it not too much to ask that in return for making it more difficult and more expensive to follow the team, the club would do their best to make the matchday experience as pleasurable as possible by brightening up concourses, installing tv's that work etc. Im not talking stupid expensive things such as giants screens etc, but just some of the more basic things you would expect from a new ground. If we are honest the ground move was money orientated and purely down to that, it was down to the fact we could not make money 365 days a year at the old place but we can now. That was no secret and its not sinsister because hopefully that extra money will go back into the club and can be used to attract better players as well as general running costs. However as Ive mentioned above, in all of this, it appears that the fans experience has been forgotten about and the attitude appears to be that we should be happy because we have a shiny plastic seat to sit in. Il repeat that Im not criticising any supporters groups and I do appreciate the trusts efforts with the concourses, it looks very impressive and brightens up a grey, cold concourse. However why did the club not consider these sort of things from the outset? Was it down to expense or just no desire on their part. We are customers afterall arent we, so surely they should want the best possible experience for their customers? Finally you have said that this is a club and fans combined project, can I ask what is the clubs involvement in this? Genuine question Hi, the club have consulted in the first place, discussing what is possable and permisable. They have also been more than helpful with contacts for images and memorabelia with introductions etc. they have also been pretty open to further discussions and questions. We have been offered help promoting the scheme in the programme and website and they have also put us in contact with people who hadnt seen the promotionals and wanted to get into contact. They have also installed the frames in the concourse area. Maybe the moral high ground bit was a little unfair, it is just frustrating trying to promote something that goes at a slight tangent. I am not sure i agree that the new ground is more inconvenient, for some it will be because they lived near town, but for many there are benefits to an out of town sign. we have tried to help there with the bus services from the pubs and there are park and ride services that have helped. It was of course money orientated, for the reasons you mention. That is the way of things, i wish it were not but that is the nature of football these days. I would love it to be a bit more how they seem to do things in Germany, but we have idiots running our football association who chase the money. I dont think supporters have been totally forgotten, but i do think that commercial factors play a part in what fans are offered. essentially football clubs find it difficult to offer us things that dont pay for themselves, the same as any other business. we get buffet because they make money, we get programmes and a website because they make money. But that is the same at the cinema, nothing there is anything other than an opportunity to sell or advertise. What we do get , that other businesses dont really offer is a social element, replays of matches, club events and the like. We have just seen Chris Smith made one of the club legends, that is surely supporters being remembered and honoured. We also feel a common bond that sainsburys customers surely dont, i dont. For me, what the club puts on aside from what happens on the pitch is technically immaterial. the reason i go is to see the team, and although pretty pictures are nice, i am not sure i want the club shelling out for the sake of prettyness. i would rather have a bland stadium and an exciting team. In an ideal world i would like both, but it is all skewed for the love of money. thats from the very top down, Shrewsbury Town didnt invent the system and are not the only club that focuses so heavily on the pitch. Football clubs are very odd things, forced into running as a business, but have an impact on the population that no other local business can hope to. I think it is a difficult position as people feel like they own a part of the club because of the emotion and memories, and that is great. But we dont physically own the club, so when the people who do, do things we dont like or dont do what we like, we feel strongly about it. We feel so stongly that we form into different groups, like the trust , the OSC and Superblues all wanting to help. is the club supposed to refuse that help? We would be puzzled to say the least if they did. I dont know, i have rambled on a bit there. It isnt meant as a post apologising for what the club may or may not have done, that is not my job. I think what i am trying to say is that i find it less frustrating if i look at the bigger picture, the context of the football world. I know it is tough to survive as a football club and i know mine is not the best so not everything will be perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2011 20:19:15 GMT 1
It was obvious to me that sooner rather than later the club would have to move from its site at the Gay Meadow. The ground was a long way past its best, and offered little or no scope for modernisation. Yes, certain facilities could have been improved, but basically we would still be left with a ground liable to flooding and very little scope for expansion. To have a ground known within the football world for its setting on the banks of the Severn, as quaint, picturesque or whatever twee description came to mind was all very well, but we were being left behind by more modern thinking clubs. With the space needed for a new ground we had no choice but to go "out of town", which is what most clubs have done to achieve their aim. Yes, the closeness to rail services, inner town facilities and parking options have been sacrificed, but in time alternatives have been found and improvements to help supporters enjoy their match day experience is ongoing. And so it is within the ground itself. Everything is not perfect, but through the various supporters organisations answers to these problems are being voiced. I can't say all problems will be overcome, as what is a negative for one will be seen by others as a positive. Surely to make your club feel like "your " club, it needs an input from you, the supporter. Obviously qualification will be required from the owners of the club, but once given it is up to us how we go about making the club feel that it is ours. Over time the stark concrete and metal structure will begin to soften, and the input from us, the supporter will, will help us settle in, feel at home as it were, comfortable. I have given towards this initative because i want to feel that, however small, i have made a contribution to help myself and others feel at home. If i wanted the club to provide everything i needed then i would feel not so much a member of an organisation i actually want to belong to, but someone who just passes through every other Saturday. Or, to put it another way, " i am the club, the club is i" Reading Meadow Memories, a publication based purely on how our fans felt about the old ground, brought a tear to my eye, a lump to my throat, and i am sure i am not the only one. The memories and feelings from fans was overwhelming. We have a chance to enhance our feelings for our new ground, to become involved, to once again feel a part of. A small donation from me, independent of the "club" as a business entity, will help me with a personal sense of belonging. Just my thoughts.
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Oct 6, 2011 21:23:32 GMT 1
Nevertheless, a tenner from me.
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Post by ercallshrew on Oct 9, 2011 19:27:33 GMT 1
Hi ercall if you confirm which photo u submitted I will make sure a copy goes up in the south. as for how long does sponsorship last..... cheers for that i see in the barnet programme the request for sponsorship , its the one of chic bates in the old stripes kit heading goalwards ....so i will sponsor that one ..
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Post by shrewsTRUST on Oct 10, 2011 13:31:53 GMT 1
Hi , with the generous input from Peter Broadbent and Sheffieldshrew, along with the other three from the first page, that is a board for Blue and Amber. Thankyou very much. Peterbroadbent, I figure that the nevertheless comment is that you will put toward it , dispite maybe wishing that the club would do it, respect the fact that you can put that to one side for the greater good, thanks. Also, thanks Ercallshrew, much appreciated
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Oct 10, 2011 13:42:38 GMT 1
I will sort this out later this week, im away from the office and will contact everyone about we can get the money together...
Good we can get at least one board sorted...
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Post by shrewsTRUST on Oct 10, 2011 13:53:24 GMT 1
I will sort this out later this week, im away from the office and will contact everyone about we can get the money together... Good we can get at least one board sorted... Thanks El H too for setting the thread up in the first place, much appreciated
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 10, 2011 20:29:28 GMT 1
Another £10 here might as well go for another board This was / is a thread put up to ask for donations to help the Concourse project and to the main has been hijacked by those with a different opinion which is fair enough and i can understand the view but do we need the same thing said over and over again? How about leaving the negatives and lets continue to do what this board use to be good at supporting the club
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Oct 11, 2011 8:15:11 GMT 1
Hi , with the generous input from Peter Broadbent and Sheffieldshrew, along with the other three from the first page, that is a board for Blue and Amber. Thankyou very much. Peterbroadbent, I figure that the nevertheless comment is that you will put toward it , dispite maybe wishing that the club would do it, respect the fact that you can put that to one side for the greater good, thanks. Also, thanks Ercallshrew, much appreciated It wasn't really meant to mean that STP! ... Was just respecting that some folks thought they should. Personally I think it gives us a great opportunity as fans to 'personalise' the stadium ... rather than it be coporatised for us! You guys do a great job ... as did SamtheShrew with the flags!
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Post by shrewsTRUST on Oct 11, 2011 12:21:34 GMT 1
Hi , with the generous input from Peter Broadbent and Sheffieldshrew, along with the other three from the first page, that is a board for Blue and Amber. Thankyou very much. Peterbroadbent, I figure that the nevertheless comment is that you will put toward it , dispite maybe wishing that the club would do it, respect the fact that you can put that to one side for the greater good, thanks. Also, thanks Ercallshrew, much appreciated It wasn't really meant to mean that STP! ... Was just respecting that some folks thought they should. Personally I think it gives us a great opportunity as fans to 'personalise' the stadium ... rather than it be coporatised for us! You guys do a great job ... as did SamtheShrew with the flags! no prob and Didnt he just be nice to carry that on around the ground one day, like a stained glass window of amber and blue
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Post by ragnvaldr on Oct 12, 2011 22:57:38 GMT 1
IMO yes the historical pictures look nice on the concourse but there still isn't any licks of paint on the walls underneath the pictures, it still boring grey blocks.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Oct 25, 2011 11:42:00 GMT 1
Just to update, still on this, and have sent Mike a PM for a few more detials about payment. However im off line for a while after Saturday, so will sort it in a week or so's time.
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Post by shrewroo on Oct 29, 2011 10:47:53 GMT 1
I'm just sitting here wondering if there is anyone in a position to go ahead and give us an update on the concourse project? Or maybe I should look to turn to today's Matchday program for my much needed update?
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Post by shrewsTRUST on Oct 29, 2011 18:39:36 GMT 1
I'm just sitting here wondering if there is anyone in a position to go ahead and give us an update on the concourse project? Or maybe I should look to turn to today's Matchday program for my much needed update? Hello and thankyou for your interest Not really a lot to update, there are a further 9 boards to go up at the moment which look like they will go in the South stand. The first sponsor will be announced in the Morecambe programme and we are still looking for new ones too. We also have a website but there isnt an update on there at the moment.
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