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Post by barrynic on Aug 20, 2011 8:57:18 GMT 1
Big game for the lad today, my friends and I am a little bit concerned that when given a bit of space he looks quite a useful player.............but............
Away from home or even at home in a highly competitive game and when closed down he seems to disappear and with that the midfield collapses and invites teams onto us too easily, exposing the back four.
...................and also closing the supply line to the wingers and forwards.
Are we STILL missing that vital link in the middle that can give us the spark we need after a slow start?
Please debate?
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Post by smurf on Aug 20, 2011 9:23:34 GMT 1
thank you, barrynic someone who thinks the same,
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 20, 2011 9:36:53 GMT 1
Barry it is a shame you don't talk as much sense about politics as you do about the Town's midfield. Hopefully in the next two weeks the town will sign at least one new midfielder who will drive the team forward and protect the back four.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 9:44:41 GMT 1
Agree with Ed, your politics are awful but you certainly got the midfield sussed in seriousness, our midfield is weak and lacking in dimensions, take one player out and the whole thing falls apart. we need somone who can give some variaty to our play, can pass a ball through their defence for our wingers and forwards to run onto and is strong enough to not get mollested off the ball when the opposition want to try and bully us. its been the same problem for some time now and it frustrates the hell out of me that we spend on forwards and defenders when i believe some investment in a good midfield general would have solved many of our problems. Last season our strikers where not bad, even the season before, problem is and has been, an utter lack of decent service, not playing hoof ball when you got a 5 foot nothing striker up front. playing to the strengths of our team not expecting the team to adapt to the abilities of the midfield.
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Post by barrynic on Aug 20, 2011 10:19:32 GMT 1
Thanks guys for having agreed with what we talked about in the pub last night -----------possibly we need to go 4-3-3 to give a bit more strength in the centre of midfield ----------but then we lack the ability to create chances from out wide.
After 3 league games I was hoping that we would not be talking about our shortcomings, but they are obvious to all but it seems Mr. Turner.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 20, 2011 10:28:28 GMT 1
I am certain that Turner knows our problems, but you've also got to remember that in the last few months of the season (from when Wroe joined), a central midfielder of Wroe plus A.N. Other in a 4-4-2 contributed to many wins in what was pretty much title winning form.
I do agree with the general point that he struggles to influence a more niggly game where he doesn't have so much time on the ball, but I am a fan of Wroe, and think it should be him + one other.
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Post by teamof79 on Aug 20, 2011 10:55:25 GMT 1
Unfortunately for us Wroe is nothing more than an average central midfield player at this level. Does'nt impose himself on the game, not creative enough, incapable of driving forward, no ariel presence in the box. A teams central midfield can make or break a teams season.Nothing more than a steady eddie, I am sure we could have chosen better,Turner got this one wrong. Dont get me started on Richards! Bring back Drummond or Edwards.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 10:59:02 GMT 1
Always makes me laugh when people say 'bring back Edwards'.
Why on earth would you want such a thing? He was little more than a nasal, injury-prone player with an eye for missing simple chances on an annoyingly regular basis.
The less said about his trademark sliced crosses into the Wakeman End, the better.
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Post by teamof79 on Aug 20, 2011 11:06:15 GMT 1
Is that why he made the Welsh and Wolves team ? Do you seriously think that Wroe is better than Edwards. Should have gone to Spec Savers !
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Post by spartan on Aug 20, 2011 11:30:59 GMT 1
I'm not sure what we expect when we're only prepared to pay £10k for a 'midfield general'.
Torquay's playing record in League games since Wroe joined us at end of January is Won 13, Drawn 11, and Lost 5 which suggests that they adapted very well to life without him.
I thought Wroe had a decent game v Plymouth, but he's never going to be that dominant influence week in, week out.
I'm much more concerned about Richards' fitness and form, and the fragility of both Wright and Ainsworth when it comes to defensive duties.
We are a push-over in midfield to any team prepared to close us down, as Burton demonstrated for long periods last week.
No permutation of the current squad will solve this crucial weakness, though like others, I do wonder what McAllister has to do to get even a cameo appearance.
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Post by markglasgow on Aug 20, 2011 13:06:20 GMT 1
The signing of Nicky Wroe was for me was the turning point of last season. We'd just been outclassed and outfought at Bury and it was clear that the centre mid combo of Disley and McIntyre would not have the quality or qualities required. Our form of 2 wins in 13 matches had to be addressed. Wroe came in for £45k on the 31st Jan and this immediately sparked a run of four straight wins and set us back on course again for promotion. Town only lost 3 of the 19 league matches since Wroe's signing last season. However, I should also point out that David Davis also signed on the 31st of Jan and the Bury game also saw the emergence of Jon Taylor. These three players completely revamped our midfield at the right time.
For me it's way too early to write off the current combo in the centre of the park. Wroe I've already made a case for and Richards has the quality and experience to be a top League Two midfielder. If this partnership will work only time shall tell, however as we only have one other genuine option in centre mid (McAllister) I can see GT making a few calls before the end of the month.
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 20, 2011 13:21:37 GMT 1
Mark as you rightly say there were major changes to the team around January, smith, Grandison, Taylor, Wroe, davis, Collins and Bradshaw all started playing regularly to suggest that the improvement in form was down even primarily to Wroe is stretching it.
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 20, 2011 13:57:05 GMT 1
It is also stretching it, if Wroe is to take any blame for our keeper dreaming when 10 yards of his line, and our skipper ducking under a routine header which he should have cleared. One point at Oxford would have been seen as reasonable, and although the midfield created very little, the lack of that one point was solely down to the keeper and the skipper. Before anyone points out the good saves Smith made, I was always told by my ex top flight coach, "that is what you're there for".
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Post by elmundo on Aug 20, 2011 14:30:04 GMT 1
Before anyone points out the good saves Smith made, I was always told by my ex top flight coach, "that is what you're there for".
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Post by markglasgow on Aug 20, 2011 15:48:24 GMT 1
Mark as you rightly say there were major changes to the team around January, smith, Grandison, Taylor, Wroe, davis, Collins and Bradshaw all started playing regularly to suggest that the improvement in form was down even primarily to Wroe is stretching it. Stretching what exactly? If you want to pinpoint Nicky Wroe as the reason for our diabolically, dreadful, disasterous start to the season then albeit. I just so happen to disagree.
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Post by Ned on Aug 20, 2011 17:04:32 GMT 1
Seems like he his chance
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Aug 20, 2011 17:22:20 GMT 1
One hell of a run from him for the second goal today Wroe & McAllister had an excellent game today in centre mid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 17:33:01 GMT 1
Great performance, confidence and composure for the goal too.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 20, 2011 17:34:52 GMT 1
McAllister was better than Wroe today, who I felt was lax in possesion on more than one occasion. But putting the two together they worked well. I was amazed Wroe put his head down and sprinted through the gaping hole in the defence, very uncharacteristic, but more of the same would be lovely
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Post by lionshrew on Aug 20, 2011 17:37:58 GMT 1
Superb performance today from Wroe. Great goal as well, fantastic run and good finish.
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Post by jonbond on Aug 20, 2011 18:31:25 GMT 1
his goal well after they just backed off, but otherwise a very iffy performance by Wroe. Gave the ball away too much including 1 shocking pass just outside his own box which should have been punished
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Post by spartan on Aug 20, 2011 18:48:16 GMT 1
Wroe came in for £45k on the 31st Jan I wouldn't place too much faith on Wiki for your facts and stats. I prefer the statement from Graham Turner after Wroe's debut v Stevenage. "I've got to say he (Wroe) looks a good £10,000 worth which is what he cost us from Torquay" I'm pleased McAllister got his chance today (covered twice the ground at a decent pace throughout compared to Richards). Wroe benefitted from this partnership, his goal well, but there will be much, much stiffer tests than Crewe to come.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 19:03:30 GMT 1
Sorry, but signing Nicky Wroe last season was one of the best signings Turner has made. He has the ability to get forward, and back, can tackle and has a great range of passes. Wroe together with Davis saved our season last year and i am sure any other League 2 team would love him playing for them. He needs some-one alongside him and, as from today, McAllister seems to be the perfect foil. Yes, there will be times when midfield gets over run, but by playing two wide men who do not always track back then this is always likely to happen. If we play a 3 in midfield then one of the wide men has to go, or else play 4 midfield ( and i mean midfielders not wingers cum midfield fill ins) and 2 up front, Gornell and Morgan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 20:33:12 GMT 1
I have to eat some humble pie tonight. I thought Wroe and the rest of the midfield where very good today. A real improvement on what I have seen previously. So fair play to them and I will be happy to eat more humble pie for the rest of the season.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Aug 20, 2011 22:06:04 GMT 1
I have to eat some humble pie tonight. I thought Wroe and the rest of the midfield where very good today. A real improvement on what I have seen previously. So fair play to them and I will be happy to eat more humble pie for the rest of the season. The humle pie must cost a lot less than the one you moaned about for 3 quid then
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 22:47:47 GMT 1
Is that why he made the Welsh and Wolves team ? Should have gone to Spec Savers ! I didn't pass comment on his potential - I just pointed out that he was often very ordinary during his Shrewsbury Town tenure and overrated by many due to his 'local lad' status. Please learn to read in future.
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Post by sgd on Aug 20, 2011 23:10:04 GMT 1
Always makes me laugh when people say 'bring back Edwards'. Why on earth would you want such a thing? He was little more than a nasal, injury-prone player with an eye for missing simple chances on an annoyingly regular basis. The less said about his trademark sliced crosses into the Wakeman End, the better. He played 51 times in his last season for us, hardly what I would call "injury-prone"
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Post by oteley on Aug 20, 2011 23:10:49 GMT 1
his goal well after they just backed off, but otherwise a very iffy performance by Wroe. Gave the ball away too much including 1 shocking pass just outside his own box which should have been punished I appreciate it's a matter of opinion but thought he was one our better players with McAllister. I agree there was one awful pass but then McAllister misplaced a 5 yarder too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 23:21:28 GMT 1
He played 51 times in his last season for us, hardly what I would call "injury-prone" Do you have any evidence of the above? I find it unbelievable. Regardless of his (alleged) appearances, Edwards was often unfit and regularly carried niggling injuries. I remember a lengthy period where he barely contributed anything to our play-off push; including a shameful peformance in a 1-0 defeat to Wrexham.
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