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Post by Dan F on Aug 19, 2011 12:36:49 GMT 1
Congrats to Hoover's lad and Scarecrow. But that post above is bang on, life experience is worth just as much as written qualifications. You can go on course when in work to plug knowledge, but they don't send you out to experience stuff.
Oh, and ragnvaldr - some of the best people I know are binmen. Properly salt-of-the-earth types, compared to some "high-flying" graduates I know who I'd rather associate with.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Aug 19, 2011 14:01:12 GMT 1
Congrats to Hoover's lad and Scarecrow. But that post above is bang on, life experience is worth just as much as written qualifications. Problem is that you will not get the good job without a degree. however much experience you have. I had a fairly successful career in the head office of a multi-national, where I started at the bottom with 5 'O' levels. By the time I left, a good degree was a minimum qualification for trainees and the minimum for my successor was a MBA!
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 19, 2011 14:04:28 GMT 1
Well done and congratulations to all who have their results and places. My own children were lucky enough to go through Uni in the 90s so are now all done and dusted. I was the exam officer at the local school until I retired and know what a stressful morning yesterday will have been for you all.
Go and make the most of your opportunities.
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Post by Dan F on Aug 19, 2011 15:22:43 GMT 1
Congrats to Hoover's lad and Scarecrow. But that post above is bang on, life experience is worth just as much as written qualifications. Problem is that you will not get the good job without a degree. however much experience you have. I had a fairly successful career in the head office of a multi-national, where I started at the bottom with 5 'O' levels. By the time I left, a good degree was a minimum qualification for trainees and the minimum for my successor was a MBA! Ah, but a good company will back you into getting the right qualifications as you work up. I'm on a totally different path to what I intended to do (didn't have any qualifications anyway) but have signalled my intention to go down a certain path and they're making sure I get the right training so I can match the experience with the qualifications when the job comes up in the future. I'm sure that's the same at many decent companies that invest in their people. Qualifications are an advantage, certainly - and especially when going into somewhere as a new employee - but they're not the be-all and end-all.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 19, 2011 15:26:38 GMT 1
I have to say you learn a lot more at Uni than just the eduction... my degree was vital to me in getting into a good carrer but the life experience was worth more, in terms of branching out on my own, and developeing as a person.
Shame they could not teach me to spell!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2011 16:06:42 GMT 1
I think that big firms are having to take a look at their employment strategy following the hike in tuition fees - a recognition that some of the brightest students are in a position where they simply can not afford, or do not want to, go on to University education following a successful set of A-Level results.
Without banging the drum too much about Deloitte, we are now offering 5 year accountancy training contracts to A-Level leavers as well as our graduate programme.
I suspect a lot of other big businesses are doing the same or will be providing similar opportunities in the not so distant future.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2011 16:42:41 GMT 1
Congrats to all.
A lass I know is an academy manager at a secondary school in London. A large part of her job is tapping up firms in and around London who are prepared to take on students and mentor them on different types of placements with a view to potentially taking said students on after their A-Levels.
Good alternative to employment, potentially skips university and provides important structure, advice, belief and more importantly raises aspiration levels of students who are generally from disadvantaged backgrounds.
Good to see organisations such as Deloitte providing alternatives to their grad schemes.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Aug 19, 2011 21:05:55 GMT 1
It's more important to have a good life than a good job. Far more important. The qualification inflation that TST talks of will soon come with a price tag of, say, £50,000 debt at age 21. That is not necessarily a life-enhancing situation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2011 8:37:30 GMT 1
The two don't need to be mutually exclusive Sean.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Aug 22, 2011 0:26:57 GMT 1
The two don't need to be mutually exclusive Sean. Like I said "not necessarily". I think for a lot of people they tend to be, and one of the reasons can be a confusion of expectations from what a job can bring to your life once basic needs are catered for.
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Post by Fingers on Aug 22, 2011 0:33:37 GMT 1
University can allow an individual to find themselves and search as to what they actually want to do when they qualify. It can be a staller, a make your mind up place or even confuse you further. As Glyn says above - uni is more than learning it helps you find who you are as well as budget, network and socialise. I can only assume you went to a Poly if you can't spell at the end of it
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Post by shrewder on Aug 22, 2011 15:21:11 GMT 1
University is not the be all and end all for making your way in life. I worked for many years in NHS management and the hardest workers generally were the non unversity ones. The graduates tended to think they were superior and had nothing to prove.
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