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Post by teamof79 on Aug 14, 2011 14:05:19 GMT 1
For many seasons now Shrewsbury Town F.C have been lacking an attacking midfield play maker. Dave Edwards was the last player than came any where near. As is generally agreed by everyone that was at the Burton game yesterday our present Central midfielders are not good enough to stamp their authority on the game.I don't think the answer to this problem lies on the bench. Doe's every one agree Turner needs to bring a loan midfielder in to make us into possible promotion candidate's?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 14:07:41 GMT 1
No. Wroe, Richards and McAllister are all fantastic midfielders, yesterday was just a below-par performance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 14:10:38 GMT 1
I think Wroe is a very good player for us, Richards seemed to grow into the game more yesturday, he showed his composure with a few good turns and passes to calm our play down, i think he'll become a good player for us, Walsall fans still rate him and his left foot brings some balance to the midfield.
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Post by teamof79 on Aug 14, 2011 14:21:59 GMT 1
Richards also gave the ball away far too cheaply when under pressure yesterday
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Post by Liam on Aug 14, 2011 14:23:18 GMT 1
I'll wait til I see a fully fit Richards play a run of games before I make up my mind. He did enough yesterday to show that he has some creativity and likes to play a passing game, but also looked tired and lacking in sharpness at times. Was surprised he wasn't replaced by Sean Mac, and the fact that he wasn't maybe doesn't bode well for the latter's first team chances this season.
On balance, I'm not sure 3 centre-mids is enough. I'd like to (and expect to) see a loanee brought in to bolster that position sooner or later. No rush though. Better to wait and get the right man after we've made a thorough assessment of how the team works with the current lot.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 14, 2011 14:24:10 GMT 1
This always seems to be the way.
The two lads both put in very competant performances in the first two games of the season, and then one game where they're maybe not quite at it, the old problem gets bought up.
We might aswell chuck the centre mids on the same scrapheap as Marvin Morgan, James Collins and Mark Wright. The same scrapheap Lionel Ainsworth was on not too long ago.
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Post by len on Aug 14, 2011 14:37:21 GMT 1
My problem with yesterday was our lack of muscle in midfield. Burton were a physical team and we couldn't handle it. Against a team that plays attractive football I feel we will be ok. But against a gritty, fighting team we lack fight. A Joss Labadie style player on loan is what I feel we need.
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Post by teamof79 on Aug 14, 2011 14:39:38 GMT 1
I want success for Shrewsbury Town Football Club, analisation and constructive critisism is surely a healthy way of implementing change and improvement.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Aug 14, 2011 14:42:38 GMT 1
I thought Richards did quite well, we should remember we played with two lightweight wingers. This will always have an impact on just what the midfield two can and cannot do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 15:18:36 GMT 1
Richards also gave the ball away far too cheaply when under pressure yesterday On a small pitch with Burton putting so many men behind the ball and closing us down very quickly, everyone lost the ball too cheaply, but i think Richards showed, on a few occasions, that he has the composure and ability to keep the ball.
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Aug 14, 2011 15:21:59 GMT 1
Wroe was outstanding at Derby and Richards is improving all the time - Yesterday was probably Wroes worst game in a Town shirt which unfortunately heaped pressure on Richards who to his credit had a more than OK game considering..........
One below par team performance and it seems the doom mongers are out already, take note that GTs intended loanee target is only 19, less than 6' tall and is not built like a brick outhouse.
Just as 1 swallow doesn't make a summer 1 poor performance does not mean the end of the world - patience plase!
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Post by Shrew_Down_Under on Aug 14, 2011 15:42:25 GMT 1
For many seasons now Shrewsbury Town F.C have been lacking an attacking midfield play maker. Dave Edwards was the last player than came any where near. As is generally agreed by everyone that was at the Burton game yesterday our present Central midfielders are not good enough to stamp their authority on the game. Agree with much of this. I would mention David Davies from last season who I thought got up to support the front men well. We have been missing a goalscoring threat from central midfield for some time, someone to burst forward and get amongst the goals. Wroe tries, but I think his natural instinct is to sit and hold in the midfield, similarly to McAllister and from what i've seen of Richards thus far. To be honest, I've thought for a while that Grandison may have some good attributes to play in the centre. He certainly has the athleticism and presence, and as we saw when he first joined likes to get forward and possesses some impressive dribbling ability. Sadly people got on his back towards the back end of last season. Yes he made some mistakes, but so does everyone, and remember the lad is still very young and can only improve. He would need to be moulded a little to play in the centre, but I certainly think its worth some consideration. I don't think the problem is as big as others are making out. For a start we now have someone who is keen and has the ability to take a good free-kick aka Richards, something we have been crying out for a long time since Davies departed to Notts County. This therefore is surely an improvement! Time will tell, but i'd not panic just yet!
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Post by oteley on Aug 14, 2011 16:10:06 GMT 1
A physically dominant player to partner Wroe. It's not been addressed for many years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 16:29:32 GMT 1
This always seems to be the way. The two lads both put in very competant performances in the first two games of the season, and then one game where they're maybe not quite at it, the old problem gets bought up. We might aswell chuck the centre mids on the same scr@pheap as Marvin Morgan, James Collins and Mark Wright. The same scr@pheap Lionel Ainsworth was on not too long ago.
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 14, 2011 18:27:54 GMT 1
My problem with yesterday was our lack of muscle in midfield. Burton were a physical team and we couldn't handle it. Against a team that plays attractive football I feel we will be ok. But against a gritty, fighting team we lack fight. A Joss Labadie style player on loan is what I feel we need. Len I agree with you 100%, we currently have a team that could hold it's own in Division 1 but could well struggle against more physical teams in Division 2. Windsor is also right that with lightweight wingers if opposing teams subdue Ainsworth, Wright or Taylor the pressure builds on central midfield, which no Town team in the last 5 years as been able to deal with. Wroe will never win a physical battle, unless their is someone along side him who can physically dominate central midfield.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 19:50:21 GMT 1
My problem with yesterday was our lack of muscle in midfield. Burton were a physical team and we couldn't handle it. Against a team that plays attractive football I feel we will be ok. But against a gritty, fighting team we lack fight. A Joss Labadie style player on loan is what I feel we need. The same Labadie who was the dirtiest player in League 1 last season and spent half his time suspended................. no thanks! Haven't seen enough of Richards to judge but don't see anything wrong with the physical side of Wroe's and Macallister's game. Have only seen the highlights but Burton's threat seemed to come from long balls so not sure why you think the midfield grittiness was the root cause of our problems yesterday
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2011 22:30:21 GMT 1
If we had won our opening game of the season, the point won at Burton would have been seen as a good point gained. Two draws in our first two games appears to some to be 4 or 2 points dropped , depending on your stance. On the other hand we have played 2, lost none! I cannot see why our wingers are seen as lightweight, they are possibly the two best wide players in the division as attacking forwards, and thats what they are, attacking forwards. Burton played very well, no doubt about it. They did their homework and condensed play and closed us down quickly. On a narrow pitch that caused us problems. Wroe had a poor game, and Richards tends to "slap" the ball anywhere when under pressure. I hope changes are made for Tuesday, with SCS as a centre back alongside Hazell, and Jacobsen played full back. Sharps is not fully fit as he is obviously way short of his usual high standards. I would like to see McAllister given a run in place of Richards who, so far, has not impressed IMO. Gornell for Collins and lets see how we go. We have, so its said, a strong SQUAD, so lets use them. I can see us beating Oxford or at least getting a point.
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Aug 14, 2011 22:36:29 GMT 1
Serious question - With the demise of the reserve team just how does a recognised first teamer get match fit if not playing (or dropped)?
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Post by R6ix on Aug 14, 2011 22:51:27 GMT 1
cant say iv seen enough of mcallister to say if he is the answer, when ever i have seen him he looks a bit of a backwards and sideways passer, not to say he has not the potential, just never set the world alight wehen iv seen him play?
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Post by mattmw on Aug 14, 2011 22:56:20 GMT 1
Last ditch bid for Fegregas perhaps?
Think we need to give Richards and Wroe time to settle as a midfield duo, but I imagine the idea of bringing someone in on loan to play in midfield is one that Turner is looking at
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Post by Shrewed on Aug 14, 2011 23:05:12 GMT 1
Serious question - With the demise of the reserve team just how does a recognised first teamer get match fit if not playing (or dropped)? Wasn't the idea that the team would have behind closed doors practice matches with all th local teams. We can but wait to see if those games actually take place on a regular basis.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2011 1:24:35 GMT 1
and we have had a few players since Edwards, Drummond, Labidie, Davis, Id like one more CM with a diferent dimension but Richards looked better when deeper, he could help Wroe
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Post by shrewswolf on Aug 15, 2011 19:54:51 GMT 1
Serious question - With the demise of the reserve team just how does a recognised first teamer get match fit if not playing (or dropped)? Wasn't the idea that the team would have behind closed doors practice matches with all th local teams. We can but wait to see if those games actually take place on a regular basis. The Shropshire Star article on Bradshaws return mentioned him trying to be fit in time to play a Wolves development eleven, so there must be some being organised.
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Post by scooter on Aug 16, 2011 0:35:40 GMT 1
Quote from Mickey Adams
"There's no great secret to getting out of this league. You've got to be big, strong and physical, but you must also have that ability to play as well."
Pretty much sums it up, but we need at least one more midfielder who is big, strong and physical, and with the ablity to play a bit
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Aug 16, 2011 9:07:07 GMT 1
Interesting to listen to GTs post Oxford Utd interview where he admits to Oxford signing a player that he had tried to bring in to STFC over the summer.................
At a guess it would have been midfielder Peter Leven who signed for Oxford from the MK Dons
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Aug 16, 2011 9:33:47 GMT 1
Interesting to listen to GTs post Oxford Utd interview where he admits to Oxford signing a player that he had tried to bring in to STFC over the summer................. At a guess it would have been midfielder Peter Leven who signed for Oxford from the MK Dons I thought it was Deane Smalley?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 13:01:12 GMT 1
Interesting to listen to GTs post Oxford Utd interview where he admits to Oxford signing a player that he had tried to bring in to STFC over the summer................. At a guess it would have been midfielder Peter Leven who signed for Oxford from the MK Dons Conversely Morgan states on Splayer that he chose us over Oxford in the Summer
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 16, 2011 13:04:43 GMT 1
Interesting to listen to GTs post Oxford Utd interview where he admits to Oxford signing a player that he had tried to bring in to STFC over the summer................. At a guess it would have been midfielder Peter Leven who signed for Oxford from the MK Dons I thought it was Deane Smalley? I think it was. I remember DaveG alluding to that one a while back.
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Post by DaveG on Aug 16, 2011 13:23:12 GMT 1
I thought it was Deane Smalley? I think it was. I remember DaveG alluding to that one a while back. he got offered ridiculous money to go there instead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2011 16:28:23 GMT 1
tbf in this league a big CM doesnt need to be that talented, if he is decent or even just as good as Macca but big he is a really good player, i hope Turner makes a loan
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