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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 3, 2011 10:47:52 GMT 1
You mean picked regular like ronaldo, beckham, and many others that left Yeah... How many of those wanted to leave Manchester and how many were 'forced' out, sold? As in, who's decision was it to leave the club? Shirley wanted to leave for Madrid, that's clear and forced Manchester's hand. Who else? I suspect the vast majority of players who end up at Manchester would be quite happy to remain there given the choice. Only it isn't there choice is it...the manager does have some say in that...
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Feb 3, 2011 10:56:24 GMT 1
Like Savage hes a player that when hes playing against you you hate... hes got one of those faces.. Unsubjectively as as part-time Liverpool fan I hated him.. in mich the same way Manc fans hate Gerrard (More so after he scored that goal at OT and kissed the Camera a couple of seasons ago) Both players are one club men and represent everything the other side hate about the opposition! Subjectively, hes served his club and country well and leaves football with a trophy haul unmatched by most footballers in the las 20 years....So yes well done for that... I still blame him for us not getting to the Euros in 2008 when Robinson made that mistake in Croatia, it was Neville who passed that back into the divit...
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Post by Pilch on Feb 3, 2011 11:05:19 GMT 1
You mean picked regular like ronaldo, beckham, and many others that left Yeah... How many of those wanted to leave Manchester and how many were 'forced' out, sold? As in, who's decision was it to leave the club? Shirley wanted to leave for Madrid, that's clear and forced Manchester's hand. Who else? I suspect the vast majority of players who end up at Manchester would be quite happy to remain there given the choice. Only it isn't there choice is it...the manager does have some say in that... Silly argument you are picking hypothetical faults with a player who's been loyal to his club Maybe you could have a go at his goal scoring ability next ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 11:11:42 GMT 1
Very, very easy to do if you are picked up and kept at one of the top clubs in England our kid. Can't say it stands out for me that. You think he would be a one club man if he would have started out at Albion, Brum? No, of course he wouldn't have. Sure he has never been short of a few bob playing for Manchester... Yet more argumentative drivel.
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Post by oranjemob on Feb 3, 2011 11:20:15 GMT 1
Very, very easy to do if you are picked up and kept at one of the top clubs in England our kid. Can't say it stands out for me that. You think he would be a one club man if he would have started out at Albion, Brum? No, of course he wouldn't have. Sure he has never been short of a few bob playing for Manchester... Yet more argumentative drivel. Not in agreement with Stutty on this but he's a top contributor to B&A. Any chance this Crippin character's warning level can go up to 100%
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 3, 2011 11:23:57 GMT 1
Yeah... How many of those wanted to leave Manchester and how many were 'forced' out, sold? As in, who's decision was it to leave the club? Shirley wanted to leave for Madrid, that's clear and forced Manchester's hand. Who else? I suspect the vast majority of players who end up at Manchester would be quite happy to remain there given the choice. Only it isn't there choice is it...the manager does have some say in that... Silly argument you are picking hypothetical faults with a player who's been loyal to his club Maybe you could have a go at his goal scoring ability next ;-) Eh? That makes no sense to me whatsoever, haven’t got a clue what you are on about… Someone gave the chap credit for being a one club player. All I am saying is that it’s very easy to be a one club player if you have been at one of the top clubs in the land, playing regularly, getting paid well, winning plenty. Easy to stay at Manchester. Why would you leave? And if it’s easy then I can’t see any reason to give the chap any credit for it. Just my opinion. Yours may differ. Just discussing football on a football forum, like…
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 3, 2011 11:24:28 GMT 1
Very, very easy to do if you are picked up and kept at one of the top clubs in England our kid. Can't say it stands out for me that. You think he would be a one club man if he would have started out at Albion, Brum? No, of course he wouldn't have. Sure he has never been short of a few bob playing for Manchester... Yet more argumentative drivel. You do make me chuckle...
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Feb 3, 2011 11:30:36 GMT 1
Silly argument you are picking hypothetical faults with a player who's been loyal to his club Maybe you could have a go at his goal scoring ability next ;-) Eh? That makes no sense to me whatsoever, haven’t got a clue what you are on about… Someone gave the chap credit for being a one club player. All I am saying is that it’s very easy to be a one club player if you have been at one of the top clubs in the land, playing regularly, getting paid well, winning plenty. Easy to stay at Manchester. Why would you leave? And if it’s easy then I can’t see any reason to give the chap any credit for it. Just my opinion. Yours may differ. Just discussing football on a football forum, like… I think I agree with Stutty, but think you have picked the wrong player... a better example is Wes Brown, a fring player at best for about 5-7 years, and never wants to leave and get regualr games...Untill very recently Neville was first choice week in and out for 10+ years... One think I will say is, its more proof that due to the wages that top players can earn, we shall see VERY few bigger name players dropping down the deivison to see there carrer out with League 1 and 2 clubs... very few... which is a shame... it was always good to get an ex top league player in post 30 for a few seasons... Jemson was probs our last, and will be for some time... Cant think of any off the top of my head?
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Post by Pilch on Feb 3, 2011 11:36:07 GMT 1
That's the point It's not easy, quite the opposite If you are a regular at a top club then chances are you could get into most sides in the world and they probably all want you his agent has probably been banging his head against the wall since day 1 some players are just loyal
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 11:40:11 GMT 1
Not in agreement with Stutty on this but he's a top contributor to B&A. I respect your opinion although I couldn't disagree more. I find that Stutty's relentless devil's advocate makes for tedious reading and would love to see him decrease in activity. As for banning me, I don't think your opinion is especially valid. Are you even a Shrewsbury Town supporter? Lord alone knows why you're here.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Feb 3, 2011 11:50:27 GMT 1
Geoff..... People in glass houses and all that
Your last four posts have been either, argueing or belitting people NOT one intresting, constructive or point worth making... even logging in at 1.50 AM just to post some nonsence??? Going back to the 26th of Jan
Re: Gary Neville Today at 11:40am - Had a go at Oranjemob and suggested hes not a proper town fan
Re: Gary Neville Today at 11:11am - Had a go a Stutty
Re: nicky wroe Today at 1:50am - Had a go at Justingill for dareing to come up with a song for Nicky Wroe
Re: Women and football on Jan 26, 2011, 8:07pm - Had a go at venceremos suggesting hes not a proper town fan
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 3, 2011 11:53:54 GMT 1
Well we see things differently... He was already at one of the top clubs in the world. Why would he go anywhere else unless told by his manager and club to do so?.. Anyhow, sure we'll see a lot more of him on box now. Safe option for Sky I would have though...
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Post by Amsterdammer on Feb 3, 2011 11:56:05 GMT 1
One think I will say is, its more proof that due to the wages that top players can earn, we shall see VERY few bigger name players dropping down the deivison to see there carrer out with League 1 and 2 clubs... very few... which is a shame... it was always good to get an ex top league player in post 30 for a few seasons... Jemson was probs our last, and will be for some time... Cant think of any off the top of my head? Agree on the top players. Although I wouldn't even say Jemson was a top player playing out his later days in the lower divisions. He was on the way down in his mid-20s (Notts County, Oxford then Rotherham I think). Mark Atkins and Ian Woan had better pedigree but both made more of their talents. Re Neville, in theory it's easier to stay at one big and succesful club. Carragher and Gerrard will probably be in the same boat. But the point is that he has, as far as we are aware, never kicked off to get more money, image rights or signing fees somewhere else. That deserves some credit in this day of agents whispering in the ear and tapping up. Although if I listen to the scousers, he was overrated and no one would have wanted him anyway.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 3, 2011 13:12:17 GMT 1
Old enough to know better than to post that...
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Feb 3, 2011 16:15:02 GMT 1
As a professional footballer Neville was in the rare and pleasurable position of playing for his local club that he was a fan of anyway.
The fact that the club were also among the most successful in the world gave him little incentive to move elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 17:35:08 GMT 1
Adrian Durham on talkSPORT: "Gary Neville was no better than Stephen Carr."
Laughable.
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Post by Myddleshrew on Feb 3, 2011 20:38:06 GMT 1
Always liked Neville easily one of the best defenders we as a country have produced
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 3, 2011 20:46:08 GMT 1
Always liked Neville easily one of the best defenders we as a country have produced Ever?
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Post by Myddleshrew on Feb 3, 2011 20:51:31 GMT 1
Always liked Neville easily one of the best defenders we as a country have produced Ever? Fulkl backs yes
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Post by nicko on Feb 4, 2011 10:38:28 GMT 1
Gary Neville is an example of a footballer who made the very most of his limited talent.
Goes to show how far dedication, determination and self-belief can take you.
Good luck to him.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 4, 2011 12:00:35 GMT 1
Limited talent ?
Yes he was a bit limited
Didn't get forward too much Tended to stay on one side of the pitch Bit too much much like a right back or left back ;-)
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Post by Fingers on Feb 4, 2011 13:06:17 GMT 1
Go with you on that Pilch, he did put a few crosses in the box and lets face it 7 goals in 600 odd appearances is not prolific. Typical right back of the English game, no Miacon or Alves who can be great going forward but kamikaze like in defence.
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Post by oranjemob on Feb 4, 2011 13:07:15 GMT 1
As for banning me, I don't think your opinion is especially valid. Are you even a Shrewsbury Town supporter? Lord alone knows why you're here. Banning you? Do you know what one of these means First game in 1957. When was yours?
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Post by jamo on Feb 4, 2011 13:56:26 GMT 1
Banning you? Do you know what one of these means First game in 1957. When was yours? A much more relevant questiion is when was the last ?
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Post by WindsorShrew on Feb 4, 2011 14:03:18 GMT 1
Having seen Neville play my one recollection is that he has got no legs, mind you me and Jamo were sat in the executive area that is suitable fo rthe likes of us upper classes....
Seriously think he is a half decent footballer, but a complete gob e.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 4, 2011 14:07:19 GMT 1
this is how much of a man u fan i am
i never saw neville play ;-)
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Post by oranjemob on Feb 4, 2011 14:08:30 GMT 1
Banning you? Do you know what one of these means First game in 1957. When was yours? A much more relevant questiion is when was the last ? Good point. Chesterfield
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 4, 2011 14:09:21 GMT 1
this is how much of a man u fan i am i never saw neville play ;-)
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Feb 5, 2011 15:39:13 GMT 1
Seriously think he is a half decent footballer, but a complete gobs****. Couldnt agree more and let me give you a for instance. In an article on him on Football Focus today he said the low point of his career was losing at West Ham on the last day of the season in 1995 a game which cost Utd the league - he was gutted at the final whistle. I remember the game well, at the final whistle he refused to shake hands with anyone, berated the ref for a full two minutes the launched an astonishing tirade of abuse at his own teammate Andy Cole for effecting the result............Gutted does not mean that in my book. Perhaps not a gobs**te - uneducated, unsporting and up his own arse covers it better!
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Post by jamo on Feb 5, 2011 16:29:13 GMT 1
Having seen Neville play my one recollection is that he has got no legs, mind you me and Jamo were sat in the executive area that is suitable fo rthe likes of us upper classes.... Seriously think he is a half decent footballer, but a complete gobs****. He may have no legs but you have no mind. He didn't play that day.
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