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Post by onthetrain92 on Jan 31, 2011 23:54:45 GMT 1
You gotta be kidding, the atmosphere is good in block 18 and 19 only when you are in there. Ive been away first hand to all the games this season apart from Macclesfield and seen how loud other similar grounds like Oxford and Chesterfield can be and ours even on a good day doesn't come close because its in the wrong place, the feng shui as i will call it is bad. Thats where the away fans should be, keep us next to them so you still got the banter. As with you regards to the view I mean come on its the worst view point in the ground as you looking at an angle but hey each to there own. I want whats best for the club and for us, the switch would really make sense from a money view point (Long term) to a safety and easy in easy out access for home fans. The Power league would be happy with the move i'm sure too. I can't understand how such a new stadium we have and the club has done a lot of backward things with it.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 1, 2011 0:57:36 GMT 1
I believe away fans should be tucked away in a corner or one side like at most Premier League or Championship League grounds. Attachments:
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Post by champagneprince on Feb 1, 2011 21:15:01 GMT 1
You gotta be kidding, the atmosphere is good in block 18 and 19 only when you are in there. Yeah, but that is where I sit Ive been away first hand to all the games this season apart from Macclesfield and seen how loud other similar grounds like Oxford and Chesterfield can be and ours even on a good day doesn't come close because its in the wrong place, the feng shui as i will call it is bad. I won't disagree there, but atmosphere can be great wherever the fans are sitting as long as there is something to get excited about on the pitch. Thats where the away fans should be, keep us next to them so you still got the banter. Agreed. But what happens if we go up a league or two. Do they then get two blocks or even three maybe ? As with you regards to the view I mean come on its the worst view point in the ground as you looking at an angle but hey each to there own . I disagree. I sit at the back of 18 so have a great view. In the first season I didn't buy a season ticket and we sat in various places in the stadium including blocks 9,10, 17, 18 and 19. The worst place we sat was in Block 9 (although right at the end of 19 came close), but the best place we sat was right at the back of 18, that's why we've bought season tickets there ever since ! I want whats best for the club and for us, the switch would really make sense from a money view point (Long term) to a safety and easy in easy out access for home fans. The Power league would be happy with the move i'm sure too. I can't understand how such a new stadium we have and the club has done a lot of backward things with it. I agree with all that, and on the whole I thinks it's a decent idea. Just don't kick us out of 18 ! Should we give it a go ? Maybe. I'd be interested to know what others think. Keep fighting for what you believe, I for one am slowly coming round to the idea. Just a note to help your cause, don't have a go at people when they are just being honest about why they might not want to move. It normally rubs people up the wrong way and turns them against you rather than helping you get what you want.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 1, 2011 23:27:42 GMT 1
Blocks 6, 14 or 2 have the same angle of view as 18 really
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Post by eclipsechaser on Feb 2, 2011 23:23:52 GMT 1
If it wasn't for blocks 18 & 19 the atmosphere would be dead ! The boring , nearing pensioner age fan now inhabits the the middle of the West Stand due to insensible pricing structure and so you can now hear the players actually talking on the pitch as you hear them on a Sunday League match . They don't even sing ' Come on you Blues ' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The South Stand makes some occasional sounds ( when Timmy Mallet isn't trying to nick the match ball for charity ! ) and as for the East Stand it might as well be sponsored by the Grim Reaper . The only sound to be heard is by the creaking of zimmer frames and the crashing sound of false teeth hitting the floor after the lack of glue ! I await the backlash if their nurses aren't tucking them up in bed with their copy of Peoples Friend at 6-30 in the evening . Are you sitting on the east Stand these days Ant ?
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Post by eclipsechaser on Feb 2, 2011 23:26:19 GMT 1
I believe away fans should be tucked away in a corner or one side like at most Premier League or Championship League grounds. Best Post this Year !! Exalted !
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Post by OswestrySalopian on Feb 4, 2011 22:51:05 GMT 1
I Honestly dont think it's as bad as people make out, I mean the old Riverside stand was never all singing in unicen, It's just the way it is in the lower divisions.
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Post by champagneprince on Feb 4, 2011 23:57:01 GMT 1
I Honestly dont think it's as bad as people make out, I mean the old Riverside stand was never all singing in unicen, It's just the way it is in the lower divisions. And you'd be right. The question is whether OTT's idea is a good one in that we take up both the ends and stick the away fans in the corner somewhere (block 13 or block 7 maybe). Personally I think it's a good one as long as they don't kick me out of 18
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Post by OswestrySalopian on Feb 5, 2011 0:21:42 GMT 1
I Honestly dont think it's as bad as people make out, I mean the old Riverside stand was never all singing in unicen, It's just the way it is in the lower divisions. And you'd be right. The question is whether OTT's idea is a good one in that we take up both the ends and stick the away fans in the corner somewhere (block 13 or block 7 maybe). Personally I think it's a good one as long as they don't kick me out of 18 Good idea, but it comes with it's problems. I Mean imagine if we happened to come up against Milwall or West Ham, and were housing these mentalists in the East Stand, yards away from the Subs bench, not to mention the Family's. In The west stand it would'nt be so bad, But i think it being behind the goal is the safest option all round. Am i right in thinking that Colchester United house there away support in the side stand?
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Post by shrewroo on Feb 5, 2011 1:31:25 GMT 1
I really think we need a cohesive group to coordinate efforts to maintain a more stable base of noise producing fans. I think that UVOS was a good attempt, if a little misguided and oft misled but the intention was there for all to see. We can't fault them for wearing their hearts on their STFC sleeves.
What we need most of all is a barmy army style collection of fans that do what they say on the tin. It's easy to get behind the lads and cheer them on when they are winning, but why not when they are losing? That is the million pound question for me.
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Post by eclipsechaser on Feb 5, 2011 19:34:46 GMT 1
I think that OTT has an excellent idea . To me , it is a win , win situation for the club regarding safety and atmosphere . It would be simple to implement too . But As with our beloved club it won't be done because the supporters thought of it and it is full of common sense ! If , as we are , celebrating our 125th anniversary in the 124th year of the club as demonstrated with our new shirt ......How are we ever going to get anything right ?
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Post by Dale on Feb 5, 2011 23:06:09 GMT 1
To help start up an atmosphere before home games, how about cranking up the music from about 15 minutes before kick off, and playing decent upbeat music would be of help as well!
I also noticed at Dortmund that various supporters of all ages and genders stand on the pitch before kick off waving large club flags, I think this is something that is also done at Norwich and is something I'd love to see at the Meadow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 11:58:05 GMT 1
Rather than talking about setting up groups to co-ordinate singing, moving seats, creating singing blocks, moving away fans, creating a better pre match atmosphere and so on, why dont we just admit that the atmosphere at the Gay Meadow and now Greenhous Meadow will be very poor 95% of the time because there are too few people willing to sing and make an atmosphere.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 6, 2011 12:40:09 GMT 1
Rather than talking about setting up groups to co-ordinate singing, moving seats, creating singing blocks, moving away fans, creating a better pre match atmosphere and so on, why dont we just admit that the atmosphere at the Gay Meadow and now Greenhous Meadow will be very poor 95% of the time because there are too few people willing to sing and make an atmosphere. That is an utter trash post, if fans are put in the right area with the right acoustics our ground could be awesome. The problem is the club cocked this up in the first place and didn't think it through. The idea was $$$$ by making block 16 an extra £2 to sit down in. I can't really see how much more you get out of 16 than sitting in 15 or 17 myself. Must have been a ploy so fans don't sing as much. If it was to be like the riverside was block 16 and 17 would have been the singing blocks, more central and more able for the rest of the ground to join in. Now this quick swap over from 17,18 and 19 to the North Stand trust me would work no doubt. If we want a whole ground atmosphere feel this is what we will have to do. It may be drab occasionally bur overall the atmosphere created would be a lot better from everyones elses view point in the ground. Imagine you are Ben Smith or Chris Neale or take yourself back to the situation when Luke Daniels got kicked in the head? What would you prefer and stand full of Vale or Hereford behind you or a stand full of Shrewsbury? All I ask is think about it, back it, give it try and see what its like? We should be looking at taking the club forwards and not backwards and believe me at the moment for a club with 4 years at the new ground behind us we still havent got the best out it yet for ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 14:06:44 GMT 1
Where is/ how many buffets and sets of toilets are there in the West stand?
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Post by vivasalopia on Feb 6, 2011 14:13:37 GMT 1
Read somewhere that we will fill in the corners at some point (Probably if we get to the championship) but it's still a good idea to improve the atmosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 16:49:23 GMT 1
Rather than talking about setting up groups to co-ordinate singing, moving seats, creating singing blocks, moving away fans, creating a better pre match atmosphere and so on, why dont we just admit that the atmosphere at the Gay Meadow and now Greenhous Meadow will be very poor 95% of the time because there are too few people willing to sing and make an atmosphere. That is an utter trash post, if fans are put in the right area with the right acoustics our ground could be awesome. The problem is the club cocked this up in the first place and didn't think it through. The idea was $$$$ by making block 16 an extra £2 to sit down in. I can't really see how much more you get out of 16 than sitting in 15 or 17 myself. Must have been a ploy so fans don't sing as much. If it was to be like the riverside was block 16 and 17 would have been the singing blocks, more central and more able for the rest of the ground to join in. Now this quick swap over from 17,18 and 19 to the North Stand trust me would work no doubt. If we want a whole ground atmosphere feel this is what we will have to do. It may be drab occasionally bur overall the atmosphere created would be a lot better from everyones elses view point in the ground. Imagine you are Ben Smith or Chris Neale or take yourself back to the situation when Luke Daniels got kicked in the head? What would you prefer and stand full of Vale or Hereford behind you or a stand full of Shrewsbury? All I ask is think about it, back it, give it try and see what its like? We should be looking at taking the club forwards and not backwards and believe me at the moment for a club with 4 years at the new ground behind us we still havent got the best out it yet for ourselves. Calm down Dan, for christs sake. Yes I do think that a bit more organisation could see a bit of an improvement in terms of atmosphere but to suggest it could be an awesome atmosphere is almost laughable. We are a division 4 club Whether the singers are tucked away on the outskirts of the West Stand, or whether they are central in the West Stand or whether they are in the South Stand, they will still be in the minority. For the odd big game you may well get a decent atmosphere just like it was for the odd big game at GM, however 95% of the time you would have a small percentage of fans trying to generate the atmosphere. For too long people have blamed the club and the ground for the lack of atmosphere at the club. As the title of this thread suggests "we must also blame ourselves". Id suggest that the fans should take the majority of the blame for lack of atmosphere rather than make excuses.
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Post by ShrewsburySTFC on Feb 6, 2011 19:30:55 GMT 1
I agree with you. His post is the trash post. Such a drama queen and moaning about it on a forum instead of actually doing something says it all.
The atmopshere at the old meadow was never great. Face it. Same with this stadium. It happens in most stadiums in England. The away fans make the noise.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 6, 2011 19:48:35 GMT 1
That is an utter trash post, if fans are put in the right area with the right acoustics our ground could be awesome. The problem is the club cocked this up in the first place and didn't think it through. The idea was $$$$ by making block 16 an extra £2 to sit down in. I can't really see how much more you get out of 16 than sitting in 15 or 17 myself. Must have been a ploy so fans don't sing as much. If it was to be like the riverside was block 16 and 17 would have been the singing blocks, more central and more able for the rest of the ground to join in. Now this quick swap over from 17,18 and 19 to the North Stand trust me would work no doubt. If we want a whole ground atmosphere feel this is what we will have to do. It may be drab occasionally bur overall the atmosphere created would be a lot better from everyones elses view point in the ground. Imagine you are Ben Smith or Chris Neale or take yourself back to the situation when Luke Daniels got kicked in the head? What would you prefer and stand full of Vale or Hereford behind you or a stand full of Shrewsbury? All I ask is think about it, back it, give it try and see what its like? We should be looking at taking the club forwards and not backwards and believe me at the moment for a club with 4 years at the new ground behind us we still havent got the best out it yet for ourselves. Calm down Dan, for christs sake. Yes I do think that a bit more organisation could see a bit of an improvement in terms of atmosphere but to suggest it could be an awesome atmosphere is almost laughable. We are a division 4 club Whether the singers are tucked away on the outskirts of the West Stand, or whether they are central in the West Stand or whether they are in the South Stand, they will still be in the minority. For the odd big game you may well get a decent atmosphere just like it was for the odd big game at GM, however 95% of the time you would have a small percentage of fans trying to generate the atmosphere. For too long people have blamed the club and the ground for the lack of atmosphere at the club. As the title of this thread suggests "we must also blame ourselves". Id suggest that the fans should take the majority of the blame for lack of atmosphere rather than make excuses. Calm down? Whos angry? All i said is thats a trash post because you seem against everything I say which is true. Chesterfield and Oxford are League 2 clubs how come then don't have this problem and don't say it becuase its Shrewsbury because thats bulls**t.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 6, 2011 19:51:22 GMT 1
I agree with you. His post is the trash post. Such a drama queen and moaning about it on a forum instead of actually doing something says it all. The atmopshere at the old meadow was never great. Face it. Same with this stadium. It happens in most stadiums in England. The away fans make the noise. I don't think your old enough to remember an atmosphere a Gay Meadow.
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Post by champagneprince on Feb 6, 2011 20:20:03 GMT 1
As I said above, after initially being unsure about your idea i've come around to thinking it's a good one, but where you're going wrong is your attitude to anyone who disagrees with you.
You questioned my judgement on Block 18 viewing, you've told Proudsalopian he talks bulls**t and now (for no positive reason whatsoever) you questioned Craigs age and the vaildity of his argument.
If you're really serious about getting this off the ground then I suggest you start to look at ways on how to influence people otherwise this'll be a non-starter and nobody will be at fault apart from yourself
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Post by Aub on Feb 6, 2011 20:25:13 GMT 1
I agree with you. His post is the trash post. Such a drama queen and moaning about it on a forum instead of actually doing something says it all. The atmopshere at the old meadow was never great. Face it. Same with this stadium. It happens in most stadiums in England. The away fans make the noise. I don't think your old enough to remember an atmosphere a Gay Meadow. Well i certainly am and he`s right. I stood on the riverside by the buffet for over 20 years and now stand in B18. I think the atmosphere is better in the new ground. The atmosphere for the last 10 mins of every match on the riverside was diabolical with 90% of fans drifting towards the exit for an quick gettaway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 20:43:22 GMT 1
Calm down? Whos angry? All i said is thats a trash post because you seem against everything I say which is true. Chesterfield and Oxford are League 2 clubs how come then don't have this problem and don't say it becuase its Shrewsbury because thats bulls**t. To be honest Dan I couldnt care less if you think my comments are trash. Im not against everything you say, I just think you get a bit carried away and whilst I admire you for wanting to improve the atmosphere, sadly your fighting a losing battle because of the lack of people who actually want to create a atmosphere. As for Chesterfield and Oxford. Chesterfield I would suggest theres a good atmosphere because they have a feelgood factor of a new ground, a successful team and plenty of goals at home. I went to Saltergate a few times and it was like a morgue there so it sounds like their fans have turned into Galatasary overnight. As for Oxford, not sure what it was like this season but have been to the Kassam and again it just had a plastic, sterile atmosphere to it. Maybe again its changed due to a feelgood factor with being back in the league Or maybe and just maybe, they actually have a good proportion of fans who sing Actually sod my thoughts, they are far too boring and rationale, lets form a supporters group trust in order to improve the atmosphere........
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 6, 2011 23:10:55 GMT 1
Calm down? Whos angry? All i said is thats a trash post because you seem against everything I say which is true. Chesterfield and Oxford are League 2 clubs how come then don't have this problem and don't say it becuase its Shrewsbury because thats bulls**t. To be honest Dan I couldnt care less if you think my comments are trash. Im not against everything you say, I just think you get a bit carried away and whilst I admire you for wanting to improve the atmosphere, sadly your fighting a losing battle because of the lack of people who actually want to create a atmosphere. As for Chesterfield and Oxford. Chesterfield I would suggest theres a good atmosphere because they have a feelgood factor of a new ground, a successful team and plenty of goals at home. I went to Saltergate a few times and it was like a morgue there so it sounds like their fans have turned into Galatasary overnight. As for Oxford, not sure what it was like this season but have been to the Kassam and again it just had a plastic, sterile atmosphere to it. Maybe again its changed due to a feelgood factor with being back in the league Or maybe and just maybe, they actually have a good proportion of fans who sing Actually sod my thoughts, they are far too boring and rationale, lets form a supporters group trust in order to improve the atmosphere........ At the end of the day it will never improve until the core that sing move for 18 and 19 and thats a fact. I only go in there because what little atmosphere there is in the ground is within those 2 blocks. Move it to the North and Swap it round its a dead cert to work especially at bigger matches and the rest of the ground will notice it too. Plus the feel good factor of not being crammed into one corner, the powerleague bar would also benefit as we all would do. The team would also benefit and thats the most important thing is our team performing and winning. Anything to enhance that improves the matchday experience 100% in my opinion. A whole stand singing is better than a couple of blocks shoved away in a corner.
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