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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 23:47:08 GMT 1
Jake is at it again this evening it seems...
'I must be a terrible player'
No wonder things aren't going well on the pitch when our players are causing disruption off it
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Post by Mike on Jan 28, 2011 23:50:13 GMT 1
Well he is being left out in the cold for no reason. 4th choice striker even though he has most goals of anyone apart from Wright. Crap! What's going on? He had a falling out with GT?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 23:52:24 GMT 1
No idea the detail, but as people have said on other threads we need to go back to what worked earlier in the season... he is one of those involved that was involved then and so I think GT and JR need to sit down and clear the air, we can't afford disruptive influences and we can't afford a manager who holds a grudge
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 23:53:57 GMT 1
I'm not sure Darwin whether it's an indication of a disruptive influence or not - the lad's clearly frustrated at the moment and feels disappointed he's not being involved - I'm not sure it's anything more than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2011 23:58:12 GMT 1
Its not the first comment to be made by one of the lads left out recently... im pretty sure that there is more going on than meets the eye... I hope not tho!
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Post by texmexshrew on Jan 29, 2011 0:00:42 GMT 1
Personally, I wouldnt put him back in. Harrold, yes, as he clearly can effect a game for the duration of the game. Robinson, for me, isnt involved enough, and doesnt work for the team. Just my stance.
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Post by mrbunny on Jan 29, 2011 0:01:39 GMT 1
Hardly helping yourself though are you by making petty comments on twitter.
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Post by Jonah on Jan 29, 2011 0:15:16 GMT 1
Hardly helping yourself though are you by making petty comments on twitter. Frustrated obviously and with good reason He was part of the early season team and partnership that scored goals!! Goals win games Replaced by TB that maybe shows the effort but no goals . Effort and potential doesn't win you games GT you should know that. Absolute disgrace tonight as it has been for weeks GT. Messiah I don't think so.
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Post by champagneprince on Jan 29, 2011 0:34:17 GMT 1
I'm not sure Darwin whether it's an indication of a disruptive influence or not - the lad's clearly frustrated at the moment and feels disappointed he's not being involved - I'm not sure it's anything more than that. But he doesn't have the right to automatically walk into the first team and neither does any other player. As we are told as kids, the way to deal with that is to train harder, fight for your place and give your manager no option but to pick you. It certainly isn't to sulk about it on Twitter (if that's legit of course). Therefore, maybe there is more than that Ant ? Perhaps Robinson and Turner just don't get on. Maybe Robinson is a bit of a primadonna and Turner is asking him to put up or shut up ? Robinsons response to the challenge is key and tells us more about him than it does Turner IMO. That said, Turner might just hate him. Who knows ? What we do know is Robinson is talented but inconsistent. We also know that he isn't playing for a reason that seemingly only GT knows. What I would hope is that Turner is demanding more from him and that at the moment he just doesn't like it. When he finally gives himself a kick up the arse then maybe we will see one helluva player on a consistent basis.
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Post by frustratedshrew on Jan 29, 2011 1:28:24 GMT 1
jake had a lucky start to the season but in recent months he as showed is proper self. not interested moans at teams mates and misses simple chances. he will be 5th striker when elder is back so i would sell him harrold braders and collins are all better striker and tb and jc can get alot better
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Post by shrewswolf on Jan 29, 2011 9:49:35 GMT 1
Seany mac questioning what he has to do to get on the pitch now, can't blame the pair of them. Why Turner hasn't called for Robinson recently baffles me, especially last night - bradshaw has had enough first team football over the week. And macca must be equally baffled as he watches Disley pull out of challenges and fail at his best aspect, passing.
GT is not playing them, more so Robbo, for reasons more than football.
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Post by Shrewed on Jan 29, 2011 10:58:09 GMT 1
Seany mac questioning what he has to do to get on the pitch now, can't blame the pair of them. Why Turner hasn't called for Robinson recently baffles me, especially last night - bradshaw has had enough first team football over the week. And macca must be equally baffled as he watches Disley pull out of challenges and fail at his best aspect, passing. GT is not playing them, more so Robbo, for reasons more than football. Rather than harking back to the halcyon days of September and the way players performed then, consider how they performed it their most recent performances and then ask why should they be playing. Did they go out on to the pitch determined to make Turner pick them or were their performances lackluster. Harrold demonstrated last night his determination to win I not sure others have shown that effort. If you feel agrieved express it in private not to all the world.
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Post by Dale on Jan 29, 2011 11:07:42 GMT 1
To be fair you would expect Jake to be unhappy at being left out, but instead of spitting his dummy out on Twitter I'd rather he knuckled down and concentrate on trying to get his place back that way, at this moment in time though I'm guessing his days here are numbered and he will probably be released in the summer.
He will then join a southern based club at our level and will probably score 20+ goals for them next season! Always seems to happen to us.....
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Post by Beefy on Jan 29, 2011 11:18:45 GMT 1
The suggestion that GT should sit down with Robinson and sort out their differences is ridiculous. Its just one player peed off coz he hasn't been picked, and in todays age he has the vehicle to mouth off, wheras in the old days he would only be able to moan to his mates. He was rightly dropped at the time, his time may come again who knows, but GT has better things to do with his time than pander to Robinsons ego
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2011 11:35:18 GMT 1
If we are still trying to reach the play-offs at all costs, then I would have Harrold and Robinson back in immediately for the next 5 games.
If we're trying to build for next year then quite simply, there's no room for Robinson as anything other than a bit part player.
Which is a shame, because he's certainly not the source of our problems, he gave an excellent performance at home to Hereford (he's only started twice since), and his 8 league goals are directly responsible for us currently still looking up rather than down.
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Post by Jonah on Jan 29, 2011 12:17:44 GMT 1
If we are still trying to reach the play-offs at all costs, then I would have Harrold and Robinson back in immediately for the next 5 games. If we're trying to build for next year then quite simply, there's no room for Robinson as anything other than a bit part player. Which is a shame, because he's certainly not the source of our problems, he gave an excellent performance at home to Hereford (he's only started twice since), and his 8 league goals are directly responsible for us currently still looking up rather than down. Agree with all of that Gareth. IMO promotion is paramount this season. That means reverting back to a team that includes the experience of SM,MH and JR immediately.
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Post by shrewsace on Jan 29, 2011 13:32:51 GMT 1
If we are still trying to reach the play-offs at all costs, then I would have Harrold and Robinson back in immediately for the next 5 games. If we're trying to build for next year then quite simply, there's no room for Robinson as anything other than a bit part player. Which is a shame, because he's certainly not the source of our problems, he gave an excellent performance at home to Hereford (he's only started twice since), and his 8 league goals are directly responsible for us currently still looking up rather than down. Agree with all of that Gareth. IMO promotion is paramount this season. That means reverting back to a team that includes the experience of SM,MH and JR immediately. If we bring Robinson and Harrold back in though, does that mean bumping Collins down to the bench? Or if we're going to accommodate all three, what does our midfield look like (Robinson as a winger?) and what formation do we use (4-3-3 with a Collins-Robinson-Harrold three pronged attack). Not picking an argument here (for a change!) just genuinely interested in what people think. The one bit of solace we can take from all these debates is that we do have options and we dohave some decent players (particularly up front). The question for GT is how we get the best from our better players.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 29, 2011 14:04:42 GMT 1
I'm glad it's not just me anymore that thinks his attitude stinks
Does he prove himself in the reserves ?
Genuine question as I don't know
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2011 14:14:09 GMT 1
I'm glad it's not just me anymore that thinks his attitude stinks Does he prove himself in the reserves ? Genuine question as I don't know Robbinson should stop moaning on twitter, do something about it, train hard and get back in the team and score some goals
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Post by nicko on Jan 29, 2011 15:25:48 GMT 1
Whether it be the 'Dog and Duck' or a pro club; all players will have a moan about not being picked ahead of players who are out of form, not putting the effort in etc.
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Post by elmundo on Jan 29, 2011 15:43:05 GMT 1
Have just read it.
I think Sean McAllister's is more frustration at not playing, whereas Robinson is sarcastic, childish and pathetic.
I won't be disappointed to see him go as soon as possible to be honest.
PS - well done Poolieshrew for telling him straight to pull his finger out!!
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 29, 2011 16:11:00 GMT 1
GT is my generation so he probably doesn't even know what Twitter is let alone read it! Agree with those above who say - get over it Robinson get your head down, show a good attitude, work hard and win your place back.
Can't stand Simmo at all but didn't he also have problems with this young gentleman's work attitude as well?
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Post by Shrewed on Jan 29, 2011 16:18:19 GMT 1
Agree with all of that Gareth. IMO promotion is paramount this season. That means reverting back to a team that includes the experience of SM,MH and JR immediately. Jonah I think you need to remember the recent performances of SM and JR in particular they were dropped because they weren't playing well. Moaning on Twitter is not the way to get selected. Its what you do in training and on the pitch which counts. In my personal opinion neither of them offer more than players currently playing.
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Post by Jonah on Jan 29, 2011 16:59:15 GMT 1
Ed we all see the game differently and we all have our own opinions. Twitter and facebook are modern communication tools and are just a different method to transmit views and rumours that have been always been in the game. I am sure we have more than one unhappy player in the squad it's just some are more vocal than others. IMO GT is getting his tactics wrong hence his team selection wrong. For instance Burton have a brick s##t house in Moore and Bury have Sodje.Both vastly experienced but getting on a bit. What does GT do? Against Moore he plays young Tom Bradshaw who he had in his pocket and against Sodje and a struggling Bury defence, instead of taking the game to them we play one upfront. Why has GT decided to tinker? The similarities between him and Simmo are becoming more striking by the week
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Post by Shrewed on Jan 29, 2011 17:22:59 GMT 1
Jonah, I am well aware of what Twitter and Facebook are, I just do not think it is in any players interest to express his views, particularly when negative, to the big wide world. Ofcourse players always complained but it was done generally to friends who they knew would not broadcast their views to all and sundry.
A serious question for you if one of your employee started criticising you on Facebook or Twitter how would you respond.
Sadly I have to agree with you that recent performances are close to reaching the depths of some of last seasons nightmares.
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Post by Jonah on Jan 29, 2011 18:21:44 GMT 1
Jonah, I am well aware of what Twitter and Facebook are, I just do not think it is in any players interest to express his views, particularly when negative, to the big wide world. Ofcourse players always complained but it was done generally to friends who they knew would not broadcast their views to all and sundry. A serious question for you if one of your employee started criticising you on Facebook or Twitter how would you respond. Sadly I have to agree with you that recent performances are close to reaching the depths of some of last seasons nightmares. Ed what I was trying to say is that it is the way communication is done these days and will not change. Maybe he is not the brightest but that is for GT to manage. Ignoring him will make him will make the situation worse surely and that will bring unrest from the others who feel they have a grievance.
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Post by texmexshrew on Jan 29, 2011 18:49:02 GMT 1
Ed we all see the game differently and we all have our own opinions. Twitter and facebook are modern communication tools and are just a different method to transmit views and rumours that have been always been in the game. I am sure we have more than one unhappy player in the squad it's just some are more vocal than others. IMO GT is getting his tactics wrong hence his team selection wrong. For instance Burton have a brick s##t house in Moore and Bury have Sodje.Both vastly experienced but getting on a bit. What does GT do? Against Moore he plays young Tom Bradshaw who he had in his pocket and against Sodje and a struggling Bury defence, instead of taking the game to them we play one upfront. Why has GT decided to tinker? The similarities between him and Simmo are becoming more striking by the week I agree with your last part, its alarming the collapse of the team/performances and lack of leadership to avert this. Gotta disagree with a couple of points though.. ;-) Thought Bradshaw played the away game at Burton really well. Their centre halves were considerable in size & presence, but I thought Tom equitted himself really well against them, taking the physical side to them as much as he recieved. You are clearly a Robinson fan, but you'll have to concede that not even in your wildest fantasy dreams would or could Robinson match up better than Bradshaw did. Absolute madness/fear to play only 1 up front against a Bury team who had only kept 5 or so clean sheets all season. That tactic was wrong, with the wrong personnel and was performed woefully by his selected 11. I think he is confused as to his starting 11 and best tactic right now, and theres not been an effective alternative to the football he wants to play when we need to grind out and battle games.
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Post by Mike on Jan 29, 2011 19:07:35 GMT 1
Robinson needs to play. He scores goals. The rest of the team doesn't.
Next game Harrold and Robinson up top.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 29, 2011 19:21:03 GMT 1
I notice from Robinson's tweets that he has changed his diet in the last few weeks and is going to the gym. Good effort.
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Post by Liam on Jan 29, 2011 19:44:03 GMT 1
Robinson is a talented and exciting player and a good finisher.
However, he's also a massive bottler.
If he wants to re-establish himself in the first 11 then, the next time he gets a chance, it might be an idea for him not to duck out of every single physical challenge going. It's his refusal to fight for the team in this manner that's caused GT to drop him, imho and, however useful an attacking option he is, I've got some sympathy with the manager's logic.
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