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Post by Shrewed on Nov 9, 2010 13:58:38 GMT 1
I would have thought that if as you state 'You could even have the absurd situation that someone will be asked to do their previous paid job on a voluntary basis' that this would incur an Industrial Tribunal visit for unfair dismissal would it not Not sure its a case for unfair dismissal, but employer could run into difficulty making someone redundant and then taking on someone from the pool of free forced labour to do the same job. But guess they could get round it with short term contract, bit like how Boy David's personal photographer got taken on by the Civil Service so that now you and me have to pay him. Not the Tory Party.
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Post by shrewsace on Nov 9, 2010 14:36:24 GMT 1
But isn't this a case of paid jobs disappearing from the market and then reappearing as unpaid, voluntary 'placements' for the long term unemployed? The ethics of this are suspect at best. It's clearly open to exploitation and could well exacerbate unemployment. If you're an employer then why employ someone at the going rate when you could get a job seeker in, which costs you nothing in wages, and you're financially rewarded for creating a placement? You could even have the absurd situation that someone will be asked to do their previous paid job on a voluntary basis on pain of having their benefits withdrawn. Perhaps this might make sense if the number of job opportunities outnumbered the number of unemployed. In reality the inverse is true. Why don't the coalition publish the vacancies:unemployed ratio? Because it wouldn't back their 'blame the unemployed' rhetoric? Half a million public sector workers are going to be made unemployed, which will have a knock on effect in the private sector, VAT will rise, interest rates are unlikely to remain as low as they have been. And at this time, the coalition announce they are going to introduce these measures for people who have the temerity not to find jobs which don't exist. I don't believe this is to 'help people back to work', if they wanted to that, they could begin by creating jobs. The austerity measures the coalition have introduced have ensured there will be fewer jobs and far more people looking for them (should help keep wages nice and low). I would have thought that if as you state 'You could even have the absurd situation that someone will be asked to do their previous paid job on a voluntary basis' that this would incur an Industrial Tribunal visit for unfair dismissal would it not I'm sure you won't be alone in questioning the legality of the coalition's proposals, Minor. However, it does seem possible this scenario could occur under the new proposals. If you take Keithyshrew's example, I suppose they would argue that the duty no longer falls within the council's remit due to the spending cuts, and therefore the old post no longer exists. I suppose this is what Cameron means by the 'Big Society'. People being forced to do previously paid work for free under threat of having their benefits withdrawn.
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