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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2010 20:17:41 GMT 1
Go and support Telford then if you don't like it. Well said. Exalted. Idiots.
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Post by Shrewd Operator on Oct 28, 2010 20:24:06 GMT 1
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Post by shrew4life on Oct 28, 2010 23:37:56 GMT 1
Fixtures between 3rd and 4th division clubs usually are. But leave aside your clubs point of view; do you not think that charging your prices for 3rd division games and then trying to gain some sort of moral high ground about our Club "lining its pockets" is hypocrisy of the highest order? I think our prices are in the accepted ball park for L2. What you are forgetting is that we're not talking about a league fixture - we're talking about a first round fa cup game - for 30 odd years we didn't enter until the 3rd round - so it's not an attractive game. If we'd have drawn an exciting tie then maybe higher prices could've been asked, but we didn't get that, we drew you. So which of the lower league sides would have been an attractive fixture? May i remind you that you are only a league 1 side yourselves, no longer big boys. Your in league 1 for a reason and your not the most attractive fixture either. Your only a league 1 side miles away! Get over yourself.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Oct 29, 2010 0:49:42 GMT 1
On the face of it, its Southampton trying to be nice to the fans and giving them a cheap ticket whereas little old Shrewsbury Town are being greedy and trying to exploit the fans as much as they can. In reality its Southampton realising that this is an unattractive fixture so are trying to get as many fans in as possible. Dont give me the "we want to reward our fans", its nothing like that at all. They know that they will have a low crowd so they want to attract more fans which is of course good business sense, but not being done out of the goodness of their heart. As for us, we dont come out of it very well and not many people can deny it. The question is did we want to completely knock reduced prices on the head or were against simply going down to £10. If its the latter I dont have a problem with. If they wanted to charge normal matchday prices then I dont think I can defend them really. Of course theres part of me that would like to have to pay £10, rather than £15 (if I decide to go) and it seems the club I support is to blame for that. However just like Southampton, we have our business brain on and we shouldnt be prepared to play the tiny amateruish club that is over-awed by the mighty Southampton Personally I was siding with Southampton on this until I saw the comment "Bearing in mind the opposition" on the official website. I expect that sort of arrogance off fans but to have it on an official website, well i just hope its pinned up on the away dressing room wall ProudSalopian almost always manages to communicate my thoughts perfectly. Probably deserves an exaltation by now. The more I think about Southampton's statement, the more I have to laugh at their breathtaking arrogance.
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Post by shrewder on Oct 29, 2010 7:42:31 GMT 1
Badly handled by Southampton. Surely they should have discussed it with Shrewsbury first and then a reasonable solution could have been reached.
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Post by shrew54 on Oct 29, 2010 8:09:03 GMT 1
We always reduce cup prices for noddy opposition. Look at it from our point of view - Shrewbury is as unatractive a fixture as there is. The arrogance of Saints fans and their board amazes me You're a League 1 club, get real. I remember when we were in the conference and you were in the Premiership getting 40000 crowds, one fan wrote on 606 that we wouldn't get that in a season- WTF we averaged over 4600 a game which is over 100,000 fans. You still have a big club syndrome. I was going anyway and really hope we roll you over as I'd love to see how your club deal with it P.S. If there's a replay you'll have to pay £16 and to travel
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Post by nicko on Oct 29, 2010 9:15:48 GMT 1
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 29, 2010 10:33:23 GMT 1
good article on that 200%
having said that, I'm not too pleased with Shrewsbury's stance on this matter. Yes I know from a business point of view they're looking at a possible pay day, however, anything they get from this game has to be seen as a bonus - we could have drawn a repeat of a couple of years ago and got a non league team away from home and the gate receipts would have been pitiful in comparison to a normal league game.
As a couple of people have said yes this lower price may encourage more southampton fans to turn up which would help their team, but regardless even if their gates are only a quarter full of a normal game i suspect their numbers would still massively out do the away support. However, if the game was reduced in price, I'm not sure how many extra southampton fans would go, but i do suspect a lot more Shrewsbury fans would travel - it's going to cost at least £15 just to get there for most STFC fans and surely a nearly full away end would be more inspiring to the STFC players
Just would be nice to see our club actually rewarding the fans (especially ones that travel) in cup ties, rather than trying to milk them for all they're worth.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 29, 2010 14:26:28 GMT 1
Having been a regular at The Dell 30 years ago, I really liked this draw when I heard it and was keen to go. Not any more.
Yes Shrews could have agreed to a lower price and would have encouraged more away supporters if they had. But there's a balance to be struck - the FA Cup shouldn't be a JPT-style giveaway. If a club is drawn away to a team with a significantly bigger home support, why shouldn't it take the opportunity to tap into that financially? Nothing new or particularly "corporate" in that. That's always been one of the advantages of the Cup for teams that are never likely to win it.
That's no longer the main point for me anyway. Long after I'd forgotten the benefit of paying £10 instead of £25, I'd remember the patronising, disrespectful and hypocritical remarks on Southampton's website. Here's a club in need of a reality check, still deluded into thinking it's "big".
The Pardew sacking, the photography fiasco and now this show the Saints in a thoroughly unappealing light. That Man Utd fan from Telford who was so horrifically beaten up not so long ago probably wouldn't say much for some of the Saints supporters either.
If Saints make it to the third round and are drawn away to a Premier League club, are we to expect them to request low priced tickets to "reward" their fans' loyalty? Or will Saints, as unattractive opposition, want to "line their pockets"? I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the answer to that one.
I hope we stuff them. If we don't I hope, "bearing in mind the opposition", another of our fellow "little" clubs does in the next round, preferably a non-league one.
What a nasty little club Saints have become. Once I'd have been supporting them; now I hope they remain the 4th ranked club on the south coast.
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Post by saintlamb on Oct 29, 2010 14:28:28 GMT 1
simple solution... you charge your fans the full price, and we'll charge our fans £10. We keep all the £10's and you can have all the away ticket returns..
how many will travel at full price? maybe 250-300
Anything that encourages bigger gates, and the younger generation going to live games instead of watching Prem league games on Sky is fine by me..
do the MATHS 20,000 @£10... YOUR SHARE WOULD HAVE BEEN £100K, the value to your club encouraging a bigger away following... priceless
Now it'll more likely be about 12.000 @ £15.. your share will be £90k... and a lower following
Let's face it your club saw the draw..Saints away..average crowds of 20k plus... and saw pound notes. They didn't even bother to look at the the bigger picture!
@ £10, I could see you bringing down a 1000 plus and us another 22k.. now do the maths again...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2010 14:35:14 GMT 1
While you're at it - you lot pay the travel expenses of all the away fans and we'll call it quits :-)
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Post by venceremos on Oct 29, 2010 15:06:09 GMT 1
simple solution... you charge your fans the full price, and we'll charge our fans £10. We keep all the £10's and you can have all the away ticket returns.. how many will travel at full price? maybe 250-300 Anything that encourages bigger gates, and the younger generation going to live games instead of watching Prem league games on Sky is fine by me.. do the MATHS 20,000 @£10... YOUR SHARE WOULD HAVE BEEN £100K, the value to your club encouraging a bigger away following... priceless Now it'll more likely be about 12.000 @ £15.. your share will be £90k... and a lower following Let's face it your club saw the draw..Saints away..average crowds of 20k plus... and saw pound notes. They didn't even bother to look at the the bigger picture! @ £10, I could see you bringing down a 1000 plus and us another 22k.. now do the maths again... When you say " do the maths", what you really mean is imagine what the figures might be and make up a spurious calculation to justify your argument. Instead of doing made up maths, why not answer the question - how do you think your club would approach a Cup tie at a club with more support? Reduced prices all round or would they "see the pound notes"? Would Saints "bother to look at the "bigger picture"?
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Post by saintlamb on Oct 29, 2010 15:18:35 GMT 1
simple solution... you charge your fans the full price, and we'll charge our fans £10. We keep all the £10's and you can have all the away ticket returns.. how many will travel at full price? maybe 250-300 Anything that encourages bigger gates, and the younger generation going to live games instead of watching Prem league games on Sky is fine by me.. do the MATHS 20,000 @£10... YOUR SHARE WOULD HAVE BEEN £100K, the value to your club encouraging a bigger away following... priceless Now it'll more likely be about 12.000 @ £15.. your share will be £90k... and a lower following Let's face it your club saw the draw..Saints away..average crowds of 20k plus... and saw pound notes. They didn't even bother to look at the the bigger picture! @ £10, I could see you bringing down a 1000 plus and us another 22k.. now do the maths again... When you say " do the maths", what you really mean is imagine what the figures might be and make up a spurious calculation to justify your argument. Instead of doing made up maths, why not answer the question - how do you think your club would approach a Cup tie at a club with more support? Reduced prices all round or would they "see the pound notes"? Would Saints "bother to look at the "bigger picture"? a cuptie in this round and the next, exactly the same way IMHO If you look at the average home crowds of every club in this round and the next we are the biggest.. only Sheff Weds come near us. So it's not overly ambitious or being billy big balls to assume we could attract our average crowd, especially if the price were reduced to £10,. Now in following rounds, when PL clubs join in, no one, not even Man Utd would reduce the ticket price no matter the opposition
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Post by eclipsechaser on Oct 29, 2010 15:28:00 GMT 1
Another easy decision being completely naffed up , AGAIN !!!! by the supposed intelligent people . Why do Salop make hard work out of an easy situation ? It is so obvious that the elite decision makers have no faith in our team to win and so want to grab as much money as they can from this one game . Where is your support for Shrewsbury ? Have you failed to realize that we have already beaten 2 League One clubs this season ? Please invest in some logic and common sense which appears not to be common after all ! Quite simply had the price been the original i certainly would not have gone . Now it is far less then it becomes more feasible . Lower prices mean that more fans from both clubs can afford to go . Simple really !
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Post by Fingers on Oct 29, 2010 15:29:35 GMT 1
re: Man United Is that because even a club millions of pounds worth of debt is still respectful enough to the opposition they face?
What did they charge in the cup game v Exeter(h) a few years back when their opponents were in the conference?
What did Liverpool charge when they played Havant?
I understand your calculations which are for illustrative purposes but this will only act to increase the home support, i doubt £10 will sway many shrews. Let's hope your boys choke in front of the biggest crowd ever to be seen at Skint Mary's
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Post by venceremos on Oct 29, 2010 16:28:08 GMT 1
Now in following rounds, when PL clubs join in, no one, not even Man Utd would reduce the ticket price no matter the opposition I think that's wrong. United have certainly reduced prices for Carling Cup tickets and I'm sure they'd do the same for lower league FA Cup opposition (ie you or us!)
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Post by venceremos on Oct 29, 2010 16:50:06 GMT 1
Another easy decision being completely naffed up , AGAIN !!!! by the supposed intelligent people . Why do Salop make hard work out of an easy situation ? It is so obvious that the elite decision makers have no faith in our team to win and so want to grab as much money as they can from this one game . Where is your support for Shrewsbury ? Have you failed to realize that we have already beaten 2 League One clubs this season ? Please invest in some logic and common sense which appears not to be common after all ! Quite simply had the price been the original i certainly would not have gone . Now it is far less then it becomes more feasible . Lower prices mean that more fans from both clubs can afford to go . Simple really ! What if all the tickets were £1 and the ground sold out? Would that be a good decision? Might be a great day but we'd lose money. So where should we strike the balance? Anyone would think we were a hugely profitable club that could pass up opportunities to increase revenue. We're a break even club with no debts - it would be better if we could keep it that way (and we don't need lessons in football finance from Southampton for a start). Like it or not, it's a business. No-one was happy when we had to cut back our squad for financial reasons. The connection is real. More revenue = better squad.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 29, 2010 17:31:03 GMT 1
Whatever the rights or wrongs of the ticketing decision that "statement" from Southampton is as classless as they come.
Their new chairman is trying to show the world he has a big willy, and yet picks on a small club from a small town for his show of brute "strength".
15 places seperate us in the league, oh how the (high and) mighty have fallen.
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Post by Fingers on Oct 29, 2010 17:39:43 GMT 1
Can't wait for the 'What a waste of money' chants.
Perhaps we should all ensure we have a Darwin (£10 note) on our person when attending, then when we are 3-0 up in the 90th minute we could wave them at our opposition.
You know what I didnt really care about this game but now I woudl LOVE IT if we beat them.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 29, 2010 18:21:45 GMT 1
Would be interesting to know who wrote the statement on southampton's website
It reads like it's been written by someone with little media experience, and my first impression was they had let the work experience student write it while the media manager was at lunch.
But judging by turners statement it bizarrely looks like the statement might have come from their boardroom - if so its very disappointing but maybe indicates why Southampton have struggled recently
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Post by bradley on Oct 29, 2010 19:17:25 GMT 1
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Oct 29, 2010 19:20:43 GMT 1
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Post by GlosShrew on Oct 29, 2010 19:35:55 GMT 1
I do agree with what he says - but reckon the best ploy in this would have been to keep quiet and try to do the talking on the pitch. This looks like we are stooping to their level and will only wind them up further.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2010 19:41:42 GMT 1
simple solution... you charge your fans the full price, and we'll charge our fans £10. We keep all the £10's and you can have all the away ticket returns.. how many will travel at full price? maybe 250-300 Anything that encourages bigger gates, and the younger generation going to live games instead of watching Prem league games on Sky is fine by me.. Fair comment and very admirable However what Id say is that the efforts of Southampton to reward their loyal fans and encourage them to shun the greed of the Preimership and SKY isnt helped by the fact that they normally charge £27 to watch Division 3 football. Im not going to come out and say that our club hasnt tried to make as much money as possible out of this cup tie, they are perfectly entitled to but of course it does leave a bit of a bad taste. What I would say is please dont try and portray your club as some lasting beacon of a bygone age where fans were all that matters. Yours is a business decision thats paraded as a PR exercise, simple as that. Nothing wrong that of course and it is to be admired but its not out of the goodness of their heart. What I would ask though is that one of the reasons for 'rewarding' fans with the cheap ticket offer (apart from the dire opposition of course) was because of the amount of home games in quick succession. The question is when you have a number of home games in quick succession do you normally offer cheap tickets? Its just being such a fan friendly club, Id expect you to do this on a regular occasion. If so, have other clubs objected?
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Oct 29, 2010 19:43:30 GMT 1
I do agree with what he says - but reckon the best ploy in this would have been to keep quiet and try to do the talking on the pitch. This looks like we are stooping to their level and will only wind them up further. At least the whole episode has added a bit of spice between two sets of supporters who otherwise couldnt give a fig about the other!
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 29, 2010 19:43:59 GMT 1
I won't say no to that £10 ticket when we play them in the league next season...
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Post by Dale on Oct 29, 2010 19:48:55 GMT 1
Definitely hope the comments from 'gossie' gets pinned up in large letters on the dressing room wall, if that doesnt get the players fired up nothing will, cheers gossie you've done the gaffer's job for him!
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Post by eclipsechaser on Oct 29, 2010 20:03:38 GMT 1
Another easy decision being completely naffed up , AGAIN !!!! by the supposed intelligent people . Why do Salop make hard work out of an easy situation ? It is so obvious that the elite decision makers have no faith in our team to win and so want to grab as much money as they can from this one game . Where is your support for Shrewsbury ? Have you failed to realize that we have already beaten 2 League One clubs this season ? Please invest in some logic and common sense which appears not to be common after all ! Quite simply had the price been the original i certainly would not have gone . Now it is far less then it becomes more feasible . Lower prices mean that more fans from both clubs can afford to go . Simple really ! What if all the tickets were £1 and the ground sold out? Would that be a good decision? Might be a great day but we'd lose money. So where should we strike the balance? Anyone would think we were a hugely profitable club that could pass up opportunities to increase revenue. We're a break even club with no debts - it would be better if we could keep it that way (and we don't need lessons in football finance from Southampton for a start). Like it or not, it's a business. No-one was happy when we had to cut back our squad for financial reasons. The connection is real. More revenue = better squad. So the balance is about right at 15 quid . So where is the problem now ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2010 12:05:31 GMT 1
simple solution... you charge your fans the full price, and we'll charge our fans £10. We keep all the £10's and you can have all the away ticket returns.. how many will travel at full price? maybe 250-300 Anything that encourages bigger gates, and the younger generation going to live games instead of watching Prem league games on Sky is fine by me.. do the MATHS 20,000 @£10... YOUR SHARE WOULD HAVE BEEN £100K, the value to your club encouraging a bigger away following... priceless Now it'll more likely be about 12.000 @ £15.. your share will be £90k... and a lower following Let's face it your club saw the draw..Saints away..average crowds of 20k plus... and saw pound notes. They didn't even bother to look at the the bigger picture! @ £10, I could see you bringing down a 1000 plus and us another 22k.. now do the maths again... I've " done the maths" and have concluded you're talking e. At £25/ticket and a much reduced gate of 10k would provide income of £250,000. Assume £50k costs for the game, leaves £100k per club. At £10/ticket assume that adds 50% to the gate, making it 15,000 and an income of £150,000 - £50k costs leaves £50k per club. The reduction in ticket prices to £10 would have needed to generate a gate of over 25,000 for it to be financially more beneficial to either club than charging full price. And we all know that that won't happen. So... we lose out financially - but more importantly, why the flip should Shrewsbury Town FC subsidise 14,000 Southampton fans? And as for the Southampton club statement - they can go and swivel - arrogant, ungracious tossers. I hope we stuff em.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 1, 2010 12:23:28 GMT 1
I can only think their fall from grace has left them all a tad bitter down there looking at those comments. I really don't think Turner said anything that warranted the reaction on there, his comments were very level headed, honest. Yet the way the plebs have bitten is beyond me and yet they would have us believe it’s a nothing tie against a nothing team. Yet they’re getting rather excited about it aren't they bless 'em...
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