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Post by Pilch on Oct 10, 2010 14:13:34 GMT 1
I wonder if people took the 'local lad' glasses off what people would say if it was say Scott Carson? exactly what will they say if he does a rob green next week ? or what if we found out rob green had been on a bender a few days before the usa game ? hes managed to get himself to number 1 spot ultimatley its what he does on the pitch that counts but thats not always true when things go bad on the pitch, what you do off the pitch starts to get taken into account i'm sure mr cappello will have a say on the matter if joe does not put in a world class appearance as will the rest of us
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 14:15:01 GMT 1
I consider myself reasonably sensible but know how I've behaved on a couple of stag-dos in the past (thank god Welshshrew doesn't post on here anymore!). Give the lad a break.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Oct 10, 2010 14:32:06 GMT 1
I wonder if people took the 'local lad' glasses off what people would say if it was say Scott Carson? exactly what will they say if he does a rob green next week ? or what if we found out rob green had been on a bender a few days before the usa game ? hes managed to get himself to number 1 spot ultimatley its what he does on the pitch that counts but thats not always true when things go bad on the pitch, what you do off the pitch starts to get taken into account i'm sure mr cappello will have a say on the matter if joe does not put in a world class appearance as will the rest of us Load of old tosh. Do you know when the 'incident' actually happened? Notice how it doesnt actually say in the NOTW article, except that its 36 hours before the squad meets up (but doesnt say when that is). The England squad actually met up last Thursday evening in Hertfordshire, meaning Joe was out on the tiles on Tuesday night into wednesday morning - a whole WEEK before the Montenegro match!!! But hey lets not let the facts get in the way of having a dig at an England player.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Oct 10, 2010 14:59:13 GMT 1
Shambles of a story. Whats wrong with having a couple of drinks a week before a game and 36 hours (probably around 40 ) before meeting up with the team? for a stag do! He's having a good time and would more than likely to be sober in time for when he see's his team mates. Would say/think the same if it was Terry and Gerrard as well.
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Post by Ned on Oct 10, 2010 15:03:20 GMT 1
He's in the wrong, and he's in the spotlight for it. Rightly so. Some people need to get back to reality.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 10, 2010 15:08:36 GMT 1
I agree with Loyalshrew.
If people on here were not allowed to drink 5 days before work no-one would ever drink anything.
A complete nonsense of a story from a rag of a newspaper.
I also think some of the "What if it was Rob Green / Scott Carson" stuff is really very patronising.
What someone does a 5 days before a game is up to them.
The "fact" he is in a club, having had a drink, dancing next to a girl, gosh, most of us would be guilty of that.
Complete insinuation that anything happened with any of the girls. So what if he danced next to them. Try going to a club and not dancing next to anyone!
Some oik saw the chance of a quick buck and took a few photos and so Hart's reputation has to suffer for it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 15:31:53 GMT 1
Just to echo what most people are saying, its a complete non story, however they know that "HIGHLY PROMISING FOOTBALLER WHO HAS JUST BEEN MADE ENGLAND NUMBER 1 GETTING DRUNK" is somehow a story that will sell.
People moan about footballers separating themselves from reality and the days of footballers drinking in town with locals has gone out of the window. Well part of the reason is stories like this. I remember speaking to a former town player who said even at our level there was people out to get out because your a well known face in a small town and you had to be careful what you did.
For the people who say had he not been a local lad we would be slating him, thats complete rubbish. If any player had done what Hart had done then Id say so what. However:
If it was Hart getting drunk the night/two nights before the game, Id say he was out of order If it was Hart getting drunk, fighting and generally being a sterotypical arrogant footballer, Id say he's out of order
But its not one of those is it.
I hate the idea that footballers should be straight laced, 100% professional and role models at all times. Personally I like to see town players out on a Saturday night in a big group, shows a bit of team spirit and togetherness.
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Post by ambergambler on Oct 10, 2010 18:18:12 GMT 1
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Oct 10, 2010 18:19:32 GMT 1
Him being a 'local lad' has nothing to do with peoples correct reactions to this bizarre non-story. If he has a stinker on Tuesday, I won't jump to the conclusion that it's the lingering effects of a hangover from a week earlier.
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Post by shrewder on Oct 10, 2010 18:27:02 GMT 1
He will learn from this and try to be a little more discreet in future.
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Post by shrewswolf on Oct 10, 2010 19:05:08 GMT 1
You can see both arguments. Its a non story but one joe really should look to avoid, the stars know they're followed wherever they go so keep it quiet, sacrifice abit of fun for I'm sure the ridiculous amounts they earn more than make up for that.
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Post by Dale on Oct 10, 2010 19:11:47 GMT 1
He's a young man having a good night out and has probably had a few too many drinks, not many young people get up to that sort of thing these days do they
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Oct 10, 2010 19:43:58 GMT 1
A young lad having a few bevvies is one thing but an International athlete is another.
The tolerant response to this story shows the hold the binge drinking culture has in this country.
I prefer James Milners stance that he will not touch alcohol until he has finished playing professionally.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2010 20:04:37 GMT 1
A young lad having a few bevvies is one thing but an International athlete is another. The tolerant response to this story shows the hold the binge drinking culture has in this country. I prefer James Milners stance that he will not touch alcohol until he has finished playing professionally. Yes there is a binge drinking culture in this country without doubt but its not exactly a new thing. The hypocrisy of things like this annoy me. On the one hand the fans/media say they want professional, role models like Alan Shearer, Paul Scholes etc. However in the next breath they go on about the good old days when football was full of characters, blokes who played hard but also partied hard. Ive heard it with us as well. Fans say its not on when they see town players being drunk in some pub/club on a Saturday night but later on will go on about good times in the 70's/80's when all the players lived locally and were seen about in town on a regular basis. There is a lot of things wrong with the modern game but footballers going out getting drunk is not a new thing.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Oct 10, 2010 20:10:20 GMT 1
A young lad having a few bevvies is one thing but an International athlete is another. The tolerant response to this story shows the hold the binge drinking culture has in this country. I prefer James Milners stance that he will not touch alcohol until he has finished playing professionally. There's nothing to say Joe was 'binge drinking', of course the NOTW piece is slanted that way but when you read he was drinking Malibu and at another time pink Champagne, hardly sounds like a hard drinker. footballers nowadays probably drink less than they ever have, back in the day some managers would advocate it to relax the players and without the tough scientific training regimes and fast paced game of today they could get away with it and still be top players. If people really think that a 23 yr old cant have a night out on a friends stag night, karaoke and a few drinks a full week before he's due to play then thats totally unrealistic and unreasonable. In his interview James Milner said: There's nothing wrong with having a drink at the right times. There are plenty of players who have a drink and choose to do it at the right times. I'd say he's right and so is Joe, when other footballers are caught with prostitutes, taking drugs, raping, assaulting people - a few drinks and singing 'Valerie' is hardly crime of the century, lighten up.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 10, 2010 20:44:44 GMT 1
Singing "Valerie" should indeed be a crime, but until it is I don't see Joe did much wrong.
There is an argument that if you are earning large sums of money each week for being a sportsman you should live the life of a monk, but as long as you are reasonably sensible and go out with a group of mates you have known for some time, having a few drinks on a weekend off doesn't seem a problem to me.
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Oct 10, 2010 20:53:20 GMT 1
He's in the wrong, and he's in the spotlight for it. Rightly so. Some people need to get back to reality. He has had a drink SEVEN days before a game. Tell me why he is in the wrong? Is it illegal to drink alcohol if you are over 18? Thought not. Has he broken a law? Thought not Therefore why is it 'rightly so' that he is in the spotlight and why do some people need a reality check? I'm thinking the reality check might be needed elsewhere.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Oct 10, 2010 21:16:08 GMT 1
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 10, 2010 21:18:16 GMT 1
Phil Jag's injured
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Post by champagneprince on Oct 10, 2010 21:20:04 GMT 1
From what I have heard about Joe he's been an absolute professional throughout his short career so far. Listened to the advice from others, bided his time, behaved impeccably and most importantly improved a vast amount because of it.
I am 100% positive that his professionalism is not in question here. In fact, I would fully expect that he run his trip abroad past both Mancini and Capello and that he made the decision to go with their blessing.
That's not bias as a Town supporter, that's just based on what I know of his behaviour to this point in his career.
As for the NOTW, their track record is somwhat different to Joe Harts !
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Post by R6ix on Oct 10, 2010 21:52:54 GMT 1
a non story for me aswell, he is a young lad, if he did this the night b4 then yes, but 3-4 days? papers annoy me sometimes in the way they try and big you up then destroy you next, and the little extras they word it, like "one disgusted england fan said this that or the other"
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Post by lionshrew on Oct 10, 2010 22:10:38 GMT 1
leave players have a good time. hes only young and deserves a night out without paps getting involved Well said. As long as these players do not do something really stupid then they should be left alone.
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Post by Bordershrew on Oct 10, 2010 22:14:56 GMT 1
He's in the wrong, and he's in the spotlight for it. Rightly so. Some people need to get back to reality. I bet you're the life and soul of the party! How is drinking on a stag do 7 full days before a game wrong? Get a grip, no wonder the tabloids carry on printing this tosh with people like you about.
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Post by roberto02afcct on Oct 10, 2010 23:04:53 GMT 1
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes plus the paper only (just) noted he was on his mates "STAG" do weekend i noticed that bit at the bottem of the page
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 11, 2010 12:43:07 GMT 1
Ridiculous story, no matter who he is. Drinking 36 hours before even joining up with the squad, which is days before the game.
Can't quite believe anyone on here is stupid enough to slate him for this.
And as a few people have pointed out, unlike other england footballers in the past, he's not cheating on his wife, not cheating on a mate, not being accused of a crime, not in a punch up, in fact his worst crime is singing on a bar top!
And yeah more genius by the rag that is the NOTW.
And as a side issue, what out national team really needs to do yet again is try and destroy another goalkeepers confidence. Tell me, who else have we got left for this position that hasn't had the press crucify?!
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Post by Fingers on Oct 11, 2010 14:01:25 GMT 1
Non story. As the one comment says: 'I'd rather a p**sed up Joe Hart in goal than Rob Green'
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Oct 14, 2010 22:39:35 GMT 1
Absolutely ridiculous, typical attempt to dish the dirt by the gutter press. I presume that the people responsible for that story never had a few celebration drinks, never danced anywhere near to someone of the opposite sex who wasn't their "missus?" Mr Wiggy and I used to go to Scotland for New Year- and that was all night drinking and revellery in the streets, even. And at midnight- all friends exchanged hugs and kisses!!!!!! Some friends and I once danced on a table in Le Frog in Warrington on a staff night out (The tables are solid and designed for that purpose!) I am sure (but can't remember) that we held on to each other to avoid falling off!!!! Terrible if we'd been well known- No doubt the right wing press would have been " disgusted!" Disgraceful exhibition! You can almost hear the insidious tone in the voice, can't you? It was "a blonde" he was next to. Good job there wasn't two- or they'd have made something of that!! I'd love to know if the hack journalist or the papperazzi scum never had any celebrations with friends??? Joe has to deal with such high expectations- so what's wrong with relaxing as a LOT of people do??? Good grief! If you can't enjoy yourself when you're young!!! (I've just corrected- spelt "insidious" wrong first time- you know what I meant- nasty, oily, suggestive tone of voice!!! )
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 23:07:23 GMT 1
Apparentley the initial lead on this story was from a Mr. S. Given.
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Post by Minor on Oct 15, 2010 8:04:42 GMT 1
A mate of mine was there recently..................£9 for a pint of lager
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Oct 15, 2010 9:29:47 GMT 1
Apparentley the initial lead on this story was from a Mr. S. Given. Well- that would be logical wouldn't it???
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