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Post by champagneprince on Sept 7, 2009 23:44:35 GMT 1
Genuine question, so no daft comments about The Ultras or anything please. Logically it seems to be point to yes 1. The home fans would get out of the ground quicker. 2. The home fans could use the 'gate' with a reduced chance of any possible confrontation adjacent to the North Stand. 3. It would reduce confusion with The Powerleague bar and away fans 4. Any away fans wishing to attack the home fans would be knackered before they reached the entrance There's probably been posts about this before but I can't remember reading any. I'm interested in everyones thoughts as I may have missed something blindingly obvious as to why it was organised in this way.
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Post by kentonblue on Sept 8, 2009 0:14:19 GMT 1
makes sense to me even if my season ticket is in block 10 - or move power league bar! to back of west stand
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Post by eggman on Sept 8, 2009 0:36:08 GMT 1
the stadium was designed with the away fans having the control box/centre/thing in their end. I also believe that end gets the worst of the wind and possibly the sun in their eyes. so if you want the wind and sun in your face and want to reduce the home capacity it's a cracker of an idea.
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 8, 2009 1:03:51 GMT 1
the stadium was designed with the away fans having the control box/centre/thing in their end. Yeah, obviously this would reduce the capacity of the home fans a little so that's one valid point I also believe that end gets the worst of the wind and possibly the sun in their eyes. so if you want the wind and sun in your face and want to reduce the home capacity it's a cracker of an idea. Not sure about the wind and sun being too much of a factor versus the probable benefits of an easier, safer egress from the stadium. I'm finding it diificult to contemplate that when planning the stadium they put the wind and sun before the safety aspects. Not saying you're wrong though, as they may well of done.
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Post by eggman on Sept 8, 2009 1:05:01 GMT 1
the stadium was designed with the away fans having the control box/centre/thing in their end. Yeah, obviously this would reduce the capacity of the home fans a little so that's one valid point I also believe that end gets the worst of the wind and possibly the sun in their eyes. so if you want the wind and sun in your face and want to reduce the home capacity it's a cracker of an idea. Not sure about the wind and sun being too much of a factor versus the probable benefits of an easier, safer egress from the stadium. I'm finding it diificult to contemplate that when planning the stadium they put the wind and sun before the safety aspects. Not saying you're wrong though, as they may well of done. not 100% sure myself but i am sure it was the wind in particular, cant point you to a link i am afraid tho
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Post by Tux on Sept 8, 2009 2:08:09 GMT 1
Well nothing really ever kicks off anyway so I do not see the point. Most people these days are all bark no bite aka they just stand there and shout crap like "I'm going to knock you ****ing teeth out" but never actually do anything. Plus the south stand is where all the atmosphere is, it would be a real shame to risk losing that. Yeah, obviously this would reduce the capacity of the home fans a little so that's one valid point Not sure about the wind and sun being too much of a factor versus the probable benefits of an easier, safer egress from the stadium. I'm finding it diificult to contemplate that when planning the stadium they put the wind and sun before the safety aspects. Not saying you're wrong though, as they may well of done. not 100% sure myself but i am sure it was the wind in particular, cant point you to a link i am afraid tho So basically on a hot summers day they get a nice cool breeze while we all roast to death?
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Post by WindsorShrew on Sept 8, 2009 6:58:02 GMT 1
Just a few thoughts. Can the North stand handle all of the buses and turning circles for them ? Would all those in the South Stand get the same seats in the North. Would all the lovely fellas from block 18 etc move downb to Block 14. Can we sell tickets to away fans in the South Stand. Motorcycle parking would be very close to the away end...... Are there less seats in the North Stand. Could we see the scoreboard in the North Satnd. In short there is a lot more to it than merely swapping ends.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2009 7:53:25 GMT 1
Yes they should
it's currently a shambles
fences and gates all in the wrong place
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 8, 2009 10:26:45 GMT 1
Can the North stand handle all of the buses and turning circles for them ? . Without doing an assessment on it I would guess yes. Would all those in the South Stand get the same seats in the North . This shouldn't be a problem other than the surveillance box would reduce capacity Would all the lovely fellas from block 18 etc move downb to Block 14. I don't see a problem with this and likewise on the other side of the ground Can we sell tickets to away fans in the South Stand. I think this is a good valid point. Some other arrangement would need to made Motorcycle parking would be very close to the away end....... It could be relocated at little cost Are there less seats in the North Stand Yes, but not sure by how many ? We're hardly ever at capacity anyway and this would surely only become an issue when we were (but the current arrangements would surely be much more of a concern should Cardiff, Leeds,Millwall etc come to visit) Could we see the scoreboard in the North Satnd. Move it In short there is a lot more to it than merely swapping ends Hence, the post being a question not a statement
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 8, 2009 10:35:35 GMT 1
Well nothing really ever kicks off anyway so I do not see the point. Most people these days are all bark no bite aka they just stand there and shout cr@p like "I'm going to knock you ****ing teeth out" but never actually do anything. 1. Maybe so, but it's still not good for anyone to even be exposed to this sh*t outside the ground. Minimise the risk is what it's about 2. We have been lucky up to now in my view but as we rise up the tables we will undoubtedly be exposed to more of a threat Plus the south stand is where all the atmosphere is, it would be a real shame to risk losing that. That's been discussed a million times on here and it's been widely recognised that Blocks 18/19 can't hear the South Stand and vice versa. Besides, it's the people that create the atmosphere. They would just move ends .
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2009 10:51:19 GMT 1
as for the surveillance box
why isn't it the other end of the stand near block 19 ?
Shambles
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 8, 2009 11:03:11 GMT 1
Yes.
The family stand used have a pretty good banter with away fans at the Meadow and you usually find that people are less inclined to threaten and abuse younger kids and their parents at the football, so IMO they should move either the away end or the family stand.
The issues about visiting supporters should we get bigger and more volatile teams in the future is also very valid. Granted most teams this season will only bring around 5-600, but if we were to get someone like Leeds, Cardiff, Milwall, etc. in the FA cup thing could get interesting to say the least.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2009 12:49:38 GMT 1
the interesting thing is an away side can request 25% of tickets for a cup game thats 2500 for a full gate a lot more than the away end holds we do they go or do we reduce the capacity by about 1/4 so they can only request what the north stand holds presumably should such a worring event like a big cup tie ever happen we'd all be boarded up in our own homes for 3 days for our own safety
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Post by samtheshrew on Sept 8, 2009 12:50:38 GMT 1
I dont think that it would work, for many of the reasons Monkee has said.
Also, if it ever did, I would not be renewing a Season Ticket and would probably not go to a home game again for a long long time.
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 8, 2009 13:36:46 GMT 1
Also, if it ever did, I would not be renewing a Season Ticket and would probably not go to a home game again for a long long time. Why ever not ?
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Post by Ed on Sept 8, 2009 15:37:45 GMT 1
Sounds like a non-starter.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Sept 8, 2009 15:49:58 GMT 1
as for the surveillance box why isn't it the other end of the stand near block 19 ? Shambles I think it's unfair to aim that question at Shambles, he doesn't even know what day it is most of the time...
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 8, 2009 16:03:12 GMT 1
Sounds like a non-starter. Not sure that it was ever going to be a 'starter' ? Nevertheless, there's some been some good reasoning from Windsor and Monkee namely 1. The reduction in capacity for home fans because of the surveillance box 2. The wind and sun affecting home fans enjoyment 3. Ticket office would be in the wrong position for away fans In opposition Pilch has been quiet strong in his opinion I'm not sure the reasoning by Windsor and Monkee are enough to convince me that the away fans would be better in the south stand as yet. Although the 3 points above are valid ones I hadn't thought of. Maybe, it's better to look at it from a point of view that if we have 1500 Leeds fans turning up would we all be comfortable with the current arrangement or would we rather see them in the North Stand ? I'm now particularly interested in what others might think would be the cost of such a change and would it be worth it ?
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Post by Dale on Sept 8, 2009 16:04:57 GMT 1
No I dont see why the away fans should move, they had the 'north end' at the old Meadow and they have the north stand now, let them carry on watching the game facing the sun!
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2009 16:09:36 GMT 1
The amount of times I've sat shivering in the south stand envious of sun soaked away fans is too many to remember
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Post by eggman on Sept 8, 2009 16:25:33 GMT 1
Sounds like a non-starter. Not sure that it was ever going to be a 'starter' ? Nevertheless, there's some been some good reasoning from Windsor and Monkee namely 1. The reduction in capacity for home fans because of the surveillance box 2. The wind and sun affecting home fans enjoyment 3. Ticket office would be in the wrong position for away fans In opposition Pilch has been quiet strong in his opinion I'm not sure the reasoning by Windsor and Monkee are enough to convince me that the away fans would be better in the south stand as yet. Although the 3 points above are valid ones I hadn't thought of. Maybe, it's better to look at it from a point of view that if we have 1500 Leeds fans turning up would we all be comfortable with the current arrangement or would we rather see them in the North Stand ? I'm now particularly interested in what others might think would be the cost of such a change and would it be worth it ? i think that if there are people(not fans) hell bent on causing trouble, it will happen whichever stand they are in, north or south. a pitch invasion by determined people would be difficult to stop, as would stopping any of our lot joining them on the pitch for a punch up. i have no idea of the cost but i cant imagine it would be cheap as all h&s would need to be reassessed with regard to the movement of people. somebody mentioned putting the family stand near the away fans , because it is less likely there would be a fight, but i remember being pushed out of the way quite roughly by chelsea scumbags when i was 12, and then saw a middle aged woman threatened for simply asking them to be careful. rampaging mobs of men with violent intent on their way to fight, dont care who they tread on. I have an uncle who sustained bad bruising and broken ribs crouching to protect a child who was knocked over when Milwall supporters were running to fight with portsmout supporters.
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Post by samtheshrew on Sept 8, 2009 16:54:18 GMT 1
Also, if it ever did, I would not be renewing a Season Ticket and would probably not go to a home game again for a long long time. Why ever not ? Because I much much much prefer the view from behind the goal, and the North Stand is s**t, wind straight into it most weeks, the sun is a pain in the arse. As I much prefer the view from behind the goal, I wouldn't want to sit on either side as I wouldn't enjoy the games so much and therefore would not want to splash out that amount of money for something I wouldn't enjoy so much. Just my own opinions!
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 8, 2009 17:23:28 GMT 1
Because I much much much prefer the view from behind the goal, and the North Stand is s**t, wind straight into it most weeks, the sun is a pain in the arse. As I much prefer the view from behind the goal, I wouldn't want to sit on either side as I wouldn't enjoy the games so much and therefore would not want to splash out that amount of money for something I wouldn't enjoy so much. Just my own opinions! No worries. Each to his own and all seems rather extreme to me. Surely the sun isn't that much of a problem ? Most of the time it's cloudy ! Not sure how you know the North stand is sh*t unless you've been in it ? And even then it would surely have only been a one-off like an International or something ? Fair enough about splashing the cash though. If you wouldn't enjoy it from watching it from any other point in the ground then you may as well spend it on something else I suppose. Would others feel this strongly ? It's a good point raised.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2009 17:38:32 GMT 1
I immagine the directors wouldn't be too happy with the prospect of hoards of away fans (otherwise known as savages) marauding through the car park on their way out.
Much easier to usher them out from the North stand
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Post by WindsorShrew on Sept 8, 2009 17:40:45 GMT 1
I immagine the directors wouldn't be too happy with the prospect of hoards of away fans (otherwise known as savages) marauding through the car park on their way out. Much easier to usher them out from the North stand Bingo ! And therein lies the answer.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 8, 2009 17:42:53 GMT 1
If the away fans were move to the South Stand, it might create a better atmosphere from the family stand like at Gay Meadow
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Post by samtheshrew on Sept 8, 2009 17:50:02 GMT 1
Because I much much much prefer the view from behind the goal, and the North Stand is s**t, wind straight into it most weeks, the sun is a pain in the arse. As I much prefer the view from behind the goal, I wouldn't want to sit on either side as I wouldn't enjoy the games so much and therefore would not want to splash out that amount of money for something I wouldn't enjoy so much. Just my own opinions! No worries. Each to his own and all seems rather extreme to me. Surely the sun isn't that much of a problem ? Most of the time it's cloudy ! Not sure how you know the North stand is sh*t unless you've been in it ? And even then it would surely have only been a one-off like an International or something ? Fair enough about splashing the cash though. If you wouldn't enjoy it from watching it from any other point in the ground then you may as well spend it on something else I suppose. Would others feel this strongly ? It's a good point raised. On many matchdays, the sun is shining right onto the North Stand, which would be extremely annoying I am sure. The one time that I sat in the North Stand (England Ladies) the wind was horrendous into our faces. I am not saying that it would be like that EVERY game, but I have seen this several times and I do not think that home fans should have to put up with it.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Sept 8, 2009 17:51:34 GMT 1
Perhaps we should get a new stadium ?
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Post by shrewswill on Sept 8, 2009 17:54:40 GMT 1
Perhaps we should get a new stadium ? Good idea !
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Post by eggman on Sept 8, 2009 18:03:43 GMT 1
Perhaps we should get a new stadium ? bingo, i fancy one by the river
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