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Post by Is there any need on Apr 8, 2005 16:25:10 GMT 1
Why are you sporting the Red Hand Defenders flag on your avaitor?, Is this really the place for such things? Do you actually support paramilitary activity in Northern Ireland, or are you one of these people who think its big and hard to associate ones self with such things. (Im sorry, but I have modified the last line because it was offensive. I did an IP and know who you are. So PM me and I will explain further
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 8, 2005 16:47:18 GMT 1
Is it possible that Windsor saw the flag and associated it with a St George flag? Ive just checked up on the flag because I didn't know what it was about. Lets not make rash statements please
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Post by DaveP200 on Apr 8, 2005 17:17:19 GMT 1
He has already been asked about the flag and explained it on an earlier post.
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 8, 2005 17:19:26 GMT 1
I have missed that then. What was the explanation?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 8, 2005 17:43:13 GMT 1
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 8, 2005 17:45:34 GMT 1
Cheers Pilch. I think the starter of this thread might have gone off on one
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Post by Is there any need on Apr 8, 2005 17:55:59 GMT 1
That is total bollox, its not the government of northerm ireland flag at all, it is the red hand defenders flag, a loyalist paramilitary flag...If it has been pointed out before then there is no excuse to still have it on his avaitor, this is a football website and there should be no tolereance for that kind of thing whatsoever.
Many people have died in Northern Ireland on both sides due to groups such as these. It is no acceptable and the moderators should remove all posts by windsorshrew untill the avaitor is changed.
If that avaitor is acceptable then where do you draw the line, would you be happy for a BNP avaitor or a swastika, or an image of the beheading of that liverpool chap?
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Post by john on Apr 8, 2005 18:08:25 GMT 1
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Post by lazyshrew on Apr 8, 2005 18:14:17 GMT 1
That is total bollox, its not the government of northerm ireland flag at all, it is the red hand defenders flag, a loyalist paramilitary flag...If it has been pointed out before then there is no excuse to still have it on his avaitor, this is a football website and there should be no tolereance for that kind of thing whatsoever. Many people have died in Northern Ireland on both sides due to groups such as these. It is no acceptable and the moderators should remove all posts by windsorshrew untill the avaitor is changed. If that avaitor is acceptable then where do you draw the line, would you be happy for a BNP avaitor or a swastika, or an image of the beheading of that liverpool chap? Yes this is a football site, which young children also use and i think you are being a tad inappropriate with your choice of language!
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Post by CuyahogaBlue on Apr 8, 2005 18:18:23 GMT 1
I don't think the avatar needs to be changed/altered at all - and certainly WindsorShrews posts should not be deleted. I think this is an example of how flags and symbols are hijacked by "causes" and the nature of their representativeness is altered. When England are playing and I fly St. Georges Cross outside the house, I am not endorsing BNP or NF or any other group. Another interesting Flag/symbol site. cain.ulst.ac.uk/images/symbols/flags.htmNot sure what I'd do if England played the USA on July 4th
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Post by is there any need on Apr 8, 2005 18:19:37 GMT 1
The same reason you do JP!
The red hand is symbol is used to represent a terrorist group, if that is not the case with this version of the flag then i apologise, you may delete this thread if my presumption is wrong regarding the flag used on windsorshrews avaitor.
I dont want to accuse him if its not associated with the Red Hand Defenders.
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Post by john on Apr 8, 2005 18:21:52 GMT 1
The same reason I do?
WTF are you on?
If I have something to say on here i will say it under my own name and not as a guest.
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Post by lazyshrew on Apr 8, 2005 18:22:17 GMT 1
In the words of the Kaiser Cheifs "I Predict a Riot" (on b&a)
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Post by is there any need on Apr 8, 2005 18:23:27 GMT 1
now now...
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Post by CuyahogaBlue on Apr 8, 2005 18:26:49 GMT 1
From the website I linked to above;
"Title: Government of Northern Ireland Flag (or 'Ulster Flag' - six counties) Description: This flag is based upon the St. George's Cross (see above) and has similarities to the Province of Ulster Flag (see above). However this particular flag of Northern Ireland is seen as staunchly Loyalist because of the Crown, the Star of David, and the Red Hand of Ulster. "
The flag in question is the Gvt Flag of Northern Ireland. Other perceptions can be made.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 8, 2005 18:26:55 GMT 1
Could you not have voiced this differently? WindsorShrew mate, the flag that you have as your Avatar is associated with the unsavoury side of Irish politics, for instance it was shown on Blue peter and the Beeb Had to make an apologie I believe.
I can't remeber him having posted anything about the IRA or anything else to do with Ireland?
Why be so aggressive?
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Post by morpheus on Apr 8, 2005 18:35:43 GMT 1
i have to say "is there any need " to call your self such a sill name.............or even go in as guest??
this flag i also find offensive but i decide not to make this an issue of what this person says in the same way people detest or dislike UK shrew or Cynicle much of what he/she says i read and think about some of it i dislike other bits i read with interest................that said NOTHING should be banned just cos 1 or 2 people get a tad upset Ban CENSORSHIP is what i say
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Post by SP on Apr 8, 2005 19:02:41 GMT 1
Windsor shrew is my dad & he's down the pub. He's not a terrorist supporter. im sure he'll sort it out in the morning. Now, please stop slagging him off when you don't even know him
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 8, 2005 19:10:32 GMT 1
Windsor shrew is my dad & he's down the pub. He's not a terrorist supporter. im sure he'll sort it out in the morning. Now, please stop slagging him off when you don't even know him
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Post by WindsorShrew on Apr 9, 2005 6:52:59 GMT 1
For The Attention of "Is there any need".
You my friend are a very opinionated person. I borrowed the Flag from a friend who used it on his emails etc because I liked the look of it, I checked the flag out on cains.ulst.ac.uk/images/symbols where I read it was the official 6 counties flag (our very own government recognises this flag).
I have never been nor wanted to subscribe, support or as you put it "pretend to be big and hard" for any terrorist group.
As the item causes offence to Morpheus i will of course as a mark of respect remove it immediately and replace it with something entirely more suitable.
I finnish with this, "is there any need" why do you hide behind a guest name ? why do you use the tone "i know who you are", "why did you not simply say " i find the flag offensive" Please don't answer as we know why don't we.
May i suggest in future you approach difficult issues in a calm level headed manner and try looking before you leap. My lovely Cockney/Irish and very Catholic wife is just about to make me a brew now so can we now please let this issue be put to rest and get back to supporting the Team ?
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Apr 9, 2005 7:00:04 GMT 1
Windsor, the bit in Brackets confused me at first too!
I think the text in brackets is Billbobiggins, explaining why he has modified the text (as a moderator) in the original post - due to it being offensive.
He was also letting the "guest" poster know that he had checked their IP, knew who they were and asked them to send him a PM.
I'll now step right out of this thread!!
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Post by jamo on Apr 9, 2005 7:20:56 GMT 1
Put the avatar back mate, don't give into faceless oiks.
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Post by john on Apr 9, 2005 8:48:51 GMT 1
I agree with Jamo, Windsor put it back mate
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Post by donegal blue on Apr 9, 2005 8:57:15 GMT 1
I didn't think that there was a government in Northern Ireland at the moment. As I understand it, the flag ceasesd to be "official" in 1973 when direct rule came in. It has been retained as a symbol of Unionism . If Windsor Shrew understands and is comfortable with the connotations of the flag then he should reinstate it as his avatar. Just an opinion!
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 9, 2005 9:04:20 GMT 1
This flag is a banner of the arms of the old Government of Northern Ireland.
The flag ceased to be official in 1973, but continues to be used by Unionists.
On no account should it be used for official purposes.
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Post by Guest on Apr 9, 2005 9:04:35 GMT 1
don't give into faceless oiks. Like Loyalist Paramilitaries.
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Post by morpheus on Apr 9, 2005 10:10:32 GMT 1
I also disagree that you have removed it, put it back if you so wish, it's about choice don't remove it cos of me for gawwds sake(hardley ever look at it anyway) i just read your posts
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Post by Pilch on Apr 9, 2005 22:05:38 GMT 1
i don't really know much about polotics so can't say what i think of the flag
however i've been thinking about this post for a while and here is my conclusion
1, i dont see why a reg user should have to pose as a guest to make their point
2, if the avatar upsets another member for whatever reason then maybe its best if it is changed to keep the piece
i remember i had a signature that revealed the ip and op system of the reader and although it was totally harmless it worried a few users so i ditched it to keep the piece
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thanks to windor shrew for backing down and keeping the piece
maybe the post originator could say the same even if its as a guest
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Post by Is it really needed on Apr 10, 2005 6:45:05 GMT 1
errr......my last post on this thread already did, most posts after this one have chosen to ignore its content though, but whats new on B&A?
What is it with moderators on this board, its like big brother gone mad, WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE etc...why would you want to check IP for a post denouncing terrorism, control freaks anyone?
As for posting as a guest, i have that right, its a free country, there are many on here that do the same, and i have my reasons and make no apologies for that, no doubt the moderators of this board have fired off the usual PM's to EXPOSE me, abuse of power maybe?.
Who is PcPlod, BUBBLES, SALOPYOOF, guest, etc...etc...etc? ... Please dont come the high and mighty with me when as the above list shows there are plenty of double standards by users of this board, not to mention telling me off for saying bollox when the owner of this board says ****ing in a post and remains unchallenged...i agree totally that swearing is not wanted either and apologise (again) for that slip of the keyboard, but get your own house in order before critisisng others.
Terrorism should not be tolerated in any shape or form...people die, if the BBC had to apologise over the use of the flag then theres obviously something wrong with its symbolism i would think!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2005 8:03:05 GMT 1
Grow up guest, idiot.
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