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Apr 25, 2006 18:37:01 GMT 1
Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 25, 2006 18:37:01 GMT 1
The old 'racist' thug', 'criminal' tag doesn't fit anymore -(if it ever really did at all)- especially after seeing their candidates and supporters on the news. They come across as regular men and women of all ages who are just talking plain common sense.With Britain increasingly looking like a 'one party' State, coupled with demise of UKIP -( who many saw as a more respectable version of the BNP) I can only see them getting stronger www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg07.htm
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Apr 25, 2006 18:37:09 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 18:37:09 GMT 1
Thats an interesting statement. would consider voting for the BNP, so what one in four people have probably considered killing their younger sibbling...doesn't mean they are ever going to though. That 'interesting statement' was the result of a recent poll conducted by YouGov
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Apr 25, 2006 18:40:29 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2006 18:40:29 GMT 1
Holocaust: holos, Whole + kaustos, Burnt . Great destruction of life, esp by fire. What has any holocaust, 20th or 21st century, got to do with me or the millions of other potential BNP voters? -Nothing! Our concerns are about the crises facing us here in Britain right now. I will leave aside your imbecilic statement about holocausts So what relevance has your remark about a pregnant suicide bomber got to this thread? You have made several dubious points on this thread, but trying to warn of us of the dangers of Islam whilst simultaneously stating that the most recent holocaust was caused by white men is a little shaky, you've got to admit.
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Apr 25, 2006 18:40:39 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 18:40:39 GMT 1
Three recent news headlines: *Pregnant suicide bomber kill eight *Killers free to live in UK *One in four voters would consider voting for the BNP ....has the penny dropped yet? Salopboy, what about the White man causing holocausts in Iraq? I've already said that this is akin to any holocaust -that's why I and millions of others recognize Blair as a war criminal.
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Apr 25, 2006 18:44:00 GMT 1
Post by kuliloach on Apr 25, 2006 18:44:00 GMT 1
Salopboy, what about the White man causing holocausts in Iraq? I've already said that this is akin to any holocaust -that's why I and millions of others recognize Blair as a war criminal. Ridiculous.
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Apr 25, 2006 18:48:16 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 18:48:16 GMT 1
Holocaust: holos, Whole + kaustos, Burnt . Great destruction of life, esp by fire. What has any holocaust, 20th or 21st century, got to do with me or the millions of other potential BNP voters? -Nothing! Our concerns are about the crises facing us here in Britain right now. I will leave aside your imbecilic statement about holocausts So what relevance has your remark about a pregnant suicide bomber got to this thread? You have made several dubious points on this thread, but trying to warn of us of the dangers of Islam whilst simultaneously stating that the most recent holocaust was caused by white men is a little shaky, you've got to admit. The headline is completely relevant. The thread is about the growing support for the BNP - right? Regardless of what our politicians are saying about Islam being 'a religion of peace and tolerance' - the BNP are the only party who dares to tell the truth about the Islamic faith. That particular headline further proves that the BNP's opinion about Islam is correct.
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Apr 25, 2006 18:48:29 GMT 1
Post by shrewslander on Apr 25, 2006 18:48:29 GMT 1
full article from the daily star............
'Most Britons support BNP policies' 25/04/06 A majority of people back the British National Party's policies, according to a new poll.
But the You Gov survey found that many people disown the policies once they are associated with the BNP.
The poll, commissioned by Sky News, comes ahead of local elections next week when there are fears the BNP could make an electoral breakthrough.
It found that 59% of people supported a halt to all further immigration to the UK - one of the BNP's main pledges - when they were not told of the far-right group's association with the policy.
Among those who were told that it was a BNP commitment, support for the policy was only 48%.
And 52% of those who took part in the survey agreed that all immigrants should be denied the right to bring further members of their family into this country. But when told it was a BNP policy, support fell by 9%.
Overall there was 55% support for BNP policies until people were informed of the party's stance, when backing dropped to 49 per cent. More than a third of people, 37%, said they would seriously consider voting for the BNP's policies in an election. But identifying the BNP with the policies caused support to fall by 17%
Large majorities dismissed two of the BNP's most hardline ideas. Some 68 per cent refused to support the stance that non-white British citizens are inherently less British than white people. And 52% were opposed to encouraging immigrants and their families to leave Britain.
Peter Kellner, chairman of YouGov, commented: "The results demonstrate that the BNP is tapping into some widely-held views, but that the party suffers from a negative image. If the BNP were able to erase this view, it could make significant gains in the upcoming local elections. This may explain what is happening in certain localities where the BNP now polls strongly."
The poll was carried out between April 21 and 24. Around 900 people were asked if they supported policies without any mention of the BNP, while 941 were told that they were BNP commitments.
do these polls really represent the views of 59+ million people in this country? Yougov carefully select people they poll as a rule, to make sure they ask people who have an interest in the area polled
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Apr 25, 2006 18:51:25 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2006 18:51:25 GMT 1
I will leave aside your imbecilic statement about holocausts So what relevance has your remark about a pregnant suicide bomber got to this thread? You have made several dubious points on this thread, but trying to warn of us of the dangers of Islam whilst simultaneously stating that the most recent holocaust was caused by white men is a little shaky, you've got to admit. The headline is completely relevant. The thread is about the growing support for the BNP - right? Regardless of what our politicians are saying about Islam being 'a religion of peace and tolerance' - the BNP are the only party who dares to tell the truth about the Islamic faith. That particular headline further proves that the BNP's opinion about Islam is correct. Back to my point please. Would you admit that a thread about the 'dangers' of Islam started by your good self, and including a statement that white men are causing holocausts, is on fairly dodgy ground.
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Apr 25, 2006 19:18:33 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 19:18:33 GMT 1
The headline is completely relevant. The thread is about the growing support for the BNP - right? Regardless of what our politicians are saying about Islam being 'a religion of peace and tolerance' - the BNP are the only party who dares to tell the truth about the Islamic faith. That particular headline further proves that the BNP's opinion about Islam is correct. Back to my point please. Would you admit that a thread about the 'dangers' of Islam started by your good self, and including a statement that white men are causing holocausts, is on fairly dodgy ground. You've lost me! Where have I wrote 'white men are causing holocausts' - If you're refering to my statement about defining Blair's ilegal war on Iraq as a holocaust -then yes, I stand by it. As for 'the dangers of Islam' - I'm not going to state or claim anything that I'm not prepared to back up. I know a little bit about Koranic and Islamic history -so, I just don't buy the current 'religion of peace and tolerance' line that's been trotted out by the media and politcians ever since 9/11.
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Apr 25, 2006 19:25:27 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2006 19:25:27 GMT 1
Back to my point please. Would you admit that a thread about the 'dangers' of Islam started by your good self, and including a statement that white men are causing holocausts, is on fairly dodgy ground. You've lost me! Where have I wrote 'white men are causing holocausts' - If you're refering to my statement about defining Blair's ilegal war on Iraq as a holocaust -then yes, I stand by it. As for 'the dangers of Islam' - I'm not going to state or claim anything that I'm not prepared to back up. I know a little bit about Koranic and Islamic history -so, I just don't buy the current 'religion of peace and tolerance' line that's been trotted out by the media and politcians ever since 9/11. Your knowledge is fairly small and thanks for admitting it. You have stated that Tony Blair is responsible for a holocaust in Iraq. Therefore, the statement that white men are causing holocausts can be attributed to you.
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Apr 25, 2006 19:40:33 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 19:40:33 GMT 1
I'm no expert on the Koran but I know enough about Islamic faith, culture, history - not to believe the lies spouted by the liberal-left media and other apologists. No, I definately didn't write about 'white men causing holocausts' Blair and Bush don't represent white men anymore than Pol Pot represents yellow men. The decision to invade Iraq after blowing to bits -is down to them and the rest of their cabals -nothing to do with the 'the white man' in Britain or any other country.
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Apr 25, 2006 19:45:36 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2006 19:45:36 GMT 1
if I was able to I'd most likely vote for them too Why can't you vote for the BNP?
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Apr 25, 2006 19:59:36 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 19:59:36 GMT 1
if I was able to I'd most likely vote for them too Why can't you vote for the BNP? There's no elections in my neck of the woods this year. Unless the Conservatives ditch that useless, wet, chinless-wonder and put a true blue in the driving seat (William Hague -best I can think of) - then I'd consider voting BNP if they were to ever stand in my ward when it's next up for grabs -
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Apr 25, 2006 20:03:34 GMT 1
Post by Tase bem pa on Apr 25, 2006 20:03:34 GMT 1
Hmmmmm......
Some people really need a common sense injection. No more immigration? That really is an absurd notion, how's your average racist thug gonna cope without his Saturday night kebab or his beloved Premiership club's star striker? Where's he gonna buy his copy of the Daily Star? Who's gonna look after him when he's in hospital needing a triple bypass after his diet of cigarettes, maccy d's and Stella takes its toll? Who'll drive his family's taxi to the cremation?
The fact is that most British people are too precious to do these vital jobs, and would prefer to sit around on the dole while their foreign counterparts knuckle down and earn a living. And why shouldn't they? After all, they're only escaping the chaos and misery that WE created in their countries after we ransacked them of anything of worth. Let's not forget that hundreds of thousands of people from the Commonwealth fought side by side with the British soldiers to save Europe from fascism, then helped rebuild our country after the war, from those who came to work as doctors to those driving buses or working in factories. Don't we owe them a bit of respect? Anyway, the immigration issue in this country is way over hyped. Immigration here is far lower than it is to country's like Spain or Germany which actually have borders with third world countries.
The real story here is the way in which the same old racists like Griffin have been allowed to resurface, albeit in a different guise from their National Front days, and exploit people's misery to gain votes by the short sightedness of our major parties. Of course people in inner cities will vote BNP. They live in lawless slums, struggle to gain an education through social problems in their area and are then expected to look after families on a low income in one of the most ridiculously expensive countries in the world. For their sins, they're labelled chavs and scum by the supposedly liberal middle classes. Want to eradicate the BNP? Start listening to the concerns of those Burberry capped lads and showing them some care instead of driving them into the arms of the BNP with quick to criticise attitudes. Ever heard Granmaster Flash and the Furious Five's "The Message"? " don't push me 'coz I'm close to the edge"? Probably explains why white people are flocking to the BNP, Asians are pumping out Jihad videos and black people are starting up on the Nation of Islam again. People need to wake up before this gets out of hand.....
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Apr 25, 2006 21:33:08 GMT 1
Post by tom_leather on Apr 25, 2006 21:33:08 GMT 1
I'm no expert on the Koran but I know enough about Islamic faith, culture, history - not to believe the lies spouted by the liberal-left media and other apologists. No, I definately didn't write about 'white men causing holocausts' Blair and Bush don't represent white men anymore than Pol Pot represents yellow men. The decision to invade Iraq after blowing to bits -is down to them and the rest of their cabals -nothing to do with the 'the white man' in Britain or any other country. Even more rubbish. If you do have any decent knowledge of the Islamic faith then you will clearly know that it is certainly NOT a 'danger' or any of the other claims you make, in its self. It is modern preachers who have twisted and interpreted various teachings far out of context who have turned the religion to such a by-word for terror for some. They have taken teachings and writings written thousands of years ago, appropraite for the time at which they were written, and abused them in a modern context. Clearly any directions written to be understand so long ago, will not be directly relevant in terms of language used to the modern day. Went a bit O/T there, but basically I cannot see your arguments at all.
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Apr 25, 2006 22:38:22 GMT 1
Post by rob on Apr 25, 2006 22:38:22 GMT 1
stop using the word holocaust.
I very much doubt you know anything about the islamic faith judging from the manner in which you are recklessley throwing the word holocaust about.
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Apr 25, 2006 22:44:54 GMT 1
Post by Nasser Hussain on Apr 25, 2006 22:44:54 GMT 1
do i have to leave then?
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Apr 25, 2006 22:45:39 GMT 1
Post by shrew122 on Apr 25, 2006 22:45:39 GMT 1
this is a Shrewsbury Town site,whilst welcoming the many diverse subjects that us fans discuss I resent you coming on here spouting your political agenda,in over 80 posts you have not mentioned our team once. you have registered two months before our elections and I am pretty sure you will disappear very soon after them. I will honestly not vote bnp and unless you can honestly say the same I will see you as being racist. I DO NOT WANT YOU SPREADING PROPAGANDA SO TAKE YOUR RUBBISH ELSEWHERE! you know I couldn't agree more, the great thing is though you have spotted the numptys mistake, he couldn't give a flying duck about our football club, just his own personal dislike of some members of the planet we live on, perhaps we should chuck all the immigrants out of Britain & agree for all the other countries in the world to throw back all the Brits who have decided to live and work broad but how do we decide who are Brits? I used to get right p'eed of by threads like these, now I find they work better than sleeping pills What is good though, hopefully any of the younger members of the board will learn a lot from the posts As a 16 yr old, I can say that I have learnt a lot from this thread. Young people (including myself) seem to know very little about politics nowadays and by reading things such as this they can learn a lot like I have. While these threads do provide a good topic for debate they also serve as good education. Personally, I do not agree with the BNP and their policies at all. A lot of parallels can be made between them and their campaigns to those of the Nazis, who exploited the worries and fears of their people. And whilst the invasion of Iraq may not have benefited the Iraqi people, to compare it to the Jewish holocaust is absurd. The systematic and unjustified murder of 6million Jews does not even begin to compare to the situation in Iraq.
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Apr 25, 2006 22:46:42 GMT 1
Post by Kolo Toure on Apr 25, 2006 22:46:42 GMT 1
I`m an economic migrant, and i love salopboy. he makes me laugh.
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Apr 25, 2006 22:49:32 GMT 1
Post by Sir Mickey Brown on Apr 25, 2006 22:49:32 GMT 1
you know I couldn't agree more, the great thing is though you have spotted the numptys mistake, he couldn't give a flying duck about our football club, just his own personal dislike of some members of the planet we live on, perhaps we should chuck all the immigrants out of Britain & agree for all the other countries in the world to throw back all the Brits who have decided to live and work broad but how do we decide who are Brits? I used to get right p'eed of by threads like these, now I find they work better than sleeping pills What is good though, hopefully any of the younger members of the board will learn a lot from the posts As a 16 yr old, I can say that I have learnt a lot from this thread. Young people (including myself) seem to know very little about politics nowadays and by reading things such as this they can learn a lot like I have. While these threads do provide a good topic for debate they also serve as good education. Personally, I do not agree with the BNP and their policies at all. A lot of parallels can be made between them and their campaigns to those of the Nazis, who exploited the worries and fears of their people. And whilst the invasion of Iraq may not have benefited the Iraqi people, to compare it to the Jewish holocaust is absurd. The systematic and unjustified murder of 6million Jews does not even begin to compare to the situation in Iraq. the youth speak sense. praise them! notworthy
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Apr 25, 2006 23:51:12 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 23:51:12 GMT 1
I'm no expert on the Koran but I know enough about Islamic faith, culture, history - not to believe the lies spouted by the liberal-left media and other apologists. No, I definately didn't write about 'white men causing holocausts' Blair and Bush don't represent white men anymore than Pol Pot represents yellow men. The decision to invade Iraq after blowing to bits -is down to them and the rest of their cabals -nothing to do with the 'the white man' in Britain or any other country. Even more rubbish. If you do have any decent knowledge of the Islamic faith then you will clearly know that it is certainly NOT a 'danger' or any of the other claims you make, in its self. It is modern preachers who have twisted and interpreted various teachings far out of context who have turned the religion to such a by-word for terror for some. They have taken teachings and writings written thousands of years ago, appropraite for the time at which they were written, and abused them in a modern context. Clearly any directions written to be understand so long ago, will not be directly relevant in terms of language used to the modern day. Went a bit O/T there, but basically I cannot see your arguments at all. Ok, where is your proof that Islam is a peaceful, non threatening religion and it is simply a number of preachers who have twisted it's teaching to suit their own ends? Are you suggesting that Islam is similar to Christianity- that it is really a gentle, passive faith that's just been misrepresented in the media? You should read about Muhammad and how he practiced holy war -and why it continues today -or what the Koran says earning your way into Paradise. If you really knew anything about the Koran then you'd know that unlike the Bible, every single word that's written in it is supposedly that of God's -Therefore it would be regarded as a mortal sin to add, take away or twist anything written within it. The word of the Koran is as 'pure' today as it was when it was written back in the 7th century. No, of course not all muslims follow it to the word -especially more secular minded ones -but the media lie about the Koran's teachings being 'twisted' by hardliners is totally untrue.
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Apr 26, 2006 0:07:52 GMT 1
Post by keithyshrew25 on Apr 26, 2006 0:07:52 GMT 1
This has all stemmed from the Borough elections coming up I presume? So should the question not be 'what can the BNP do for my local area' instead of what their national policies are?
I'm not worried - I'm in Stoke and the number of BNP voters is still not enough to give them real power. I am worried about the state of this country in general, but don;t think the issues are down to immigration...
Is the fact that the NHS is struggling down to our huge drinking culture, increasing obesity rates, lack of healthy lifestyle... or is it because some people from abroad have come here? Unemployment is in a trough at the minute, so no immigration impact there. The schools are doing the same now they were 20 years ago, same complaints, same standards. The war in Iraq shouldn't influence local politics, so I'm not going to allow that influence my choice.
As for the racist debate, I think it boils down to one questions... If the BNP ruled the UK would ethnic minorities find their lives impacted more than Caucasians? Unfortunately I think so
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Apr 26, 2006 0:12:37 GMT 1
Post by R6ix on Apr 26, 2006 0:12:37 GMT 1
ive been to london and seen african and east european woman on the streets begging, shaking children to make em cry in order to beg, i read of eastern european crime gangs running rife in this country,murders and robberies commited by people invited in to the country,i have no problem with imagration, but this country has no discretion as to who comes or goes,the govt fears tackling the problem,we are obsessed with being branded racist,so much that we fear it, so ignore it,but it wont go away,bnp are not the answer, but a govt that are not afraid to make hard desicions is, and with the jokers on offer at the moment the options dont look good
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Apr 26, 2006 0:14:24 GMT 1
Post by keithyshrew25 on Apr 26, 2006 0:14:24 GMT 1
....and while I'm here...
Theres been a lot of posts on here saying the the BNP are the party giving voters the truth about what's going on in the UK.
Did anybody see the front page of teh Independant last week showing the story of the BNP in Essex (Dagenham I think) where they'd totally fabricated a story about african immigrants being given preferencial treatment by local councils and being paid to move locally?
Says it all for me
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Apr 26, 2006 0:16:24 GMT 1
Post by keithyshrew25 on Apr 26, 2006 0:16:24 GMT 1
i have no problem with imagration, but this country has no discretion as to who comes or goes,the govt fears tackling the problem,we are obsessed with being branded racist,so much that we fear it, so ignore it,but it wont go away,bnp are not the answer, but a govt that are not afraid to make hard desicions is, and with the jokers on offer at the moment the options dont look good Prob the most well-thought post on here
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Apr 26, 2006 1:57:34 GMT 1
Post by lol on Apr 26, 2006 1:57:34 GMT 1
Salopboy, you are a nutcase.
"Are you suggesting that Islam is similar to Christianity- that it is really a gentle, passive faith that's just been misrepresented in the media? You should read about Muhammad and how he practiced holy war -and why it continues today -or what the Koran says earning your way into Paradise."
Hmmm, Christianity 'a gentle, passive faith that's just been misrepresented in the media'? What about the Crusades, you muppet? What about the sectarian violence that's caused the deaths of over 3,000 people on British soil since the 1960s? What about the Spanish inquisition? What about the spread of AIDS and over population in the 3rd World due to the 20th century Catholic idea that contraception should not be allowed? What about the deaths of 20,000,000 (yes, 20 million) indigenous Latin Americans at the hands of Cortez and his conquistadores, all in the name of the Christian faith? Read some history, mate!
"If you really knew anything about the Koran then you'd know that unlike the Bible, every single word that's written in it is supposedly that of God's -Therefore it would be regarded as a mortal sin to add, take away or twist anything written within it. The word of the Koran is as 'pure' today as it was when it was written back in the 7th century."
What, so you prefer the concept of the Bible? At the last count, there was about 600 different versions of the Bible, most of them changed and twisted to suit the needs of individual sects, monarchs or whoever else wanted to barstewardize the Christian faith for their own ends. Strange that out of over 30 gospels, only 4 are ever studied by most Christians. The fact that the Koran is as pure and undiluted as it ever was is a massive point in favour of the Islamic faith, not a valid criticism. At least Muslims have the strength of their convictions, as opposed to having to refer to a text that's had as many different versions as "La Bamba".
Truth is, there's fundamentalists of all religions. Terrorists using the Islamic faith to justify hate crimes in London are no different to the "Christians" who battle each other every marching season in Belfast. And one last thing, stop trying to prove your benevolent nature by pretending you're morally outraged by what's going on in Iraq. It didn't work for the News of the World or the Mirror and it's not gonna work for you.
That is all.
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Apr 26, 2006 7:30:05 GMT 1
Post by ChrisJ nli on Apr 26, 2006 7:30:05 GMT 1
The problem is the media are against everything the BNP do, thats why we get the impression that the BNP is so bad and that we should feel sorry for emigrants who come to our country to beg on our streets as well as take our tax paying money, jobs and homes. The media always tell the truth don't they? I we by the newspapers and get brainwash by what they say, all because of whats on page 3. We pay for those people to stay in this country. Yes its great that emigrants from other countries can come over here and blow themselves up on our transport system killing many other innocent victims with them. I don't see the BNP killing people they just want to stop this from happening. All i see is problems, we should count ourselves very lucky that Shrewsbury is predominatly white in someways, but that may change very rapidly in the near future. As i said before i am not racist, i am not fascist and i'm not a nazi, i am saying it how it is thats all and if you disagree that is your opinion and this is mine. I like things the way they are in Shrewsbury but they will change because we are brainwashed by the media, the media make money from stories. Racial tension, illegal immigrants, the guy with the hook and terrible things like 7/7 are money making stories for the media. I blame the more than anyone in this country for the way things are, they influence us more than the government and they stir racial tension one minute then make you feel sorry for another illegal imigrant. We know why they do this because it keeps it all balanced and gets them stories which makes them money. The media countrol this country, and the government balances the books. As long a they both make money (the media and the government) they don't care about illegal immigrants or the working man. We just pay more tax. Stop the immigrants coming in so easy, withdrew the troops from Iraq and have them at every airport, port and the channel tunnel and instantly deport them, no case, no migration camp, just turn around and out bye bye i don't care if your aunty lives here. There is enough racial tension in this country without adding any more. Its the only way and that is to be tough, you want to come to this country to live you apply from the country you live in. You don't come here without having been accepted, simple as. I will say it again for you people I'm not racist but what i'm trying to suggest would should be so much tougher and that Britain should remain predominantly white, if we don't get tough now in 100 years we will be looking at GENOCIDE. I'm not joking either. So let's get this right: you're not a racist but you want Shrewsbury to stay all-white? You're not a racist but you believe that black people are going to cause genocide? You don't like violence and you think the BNP are peaceful? You think the media spin these stories in favour of immigrants and asylum seekers? (Which paper do you take?! Which TV channels do you watch?! Or do you get it all from a Christmas cracker?) And you want to seal the borders? (The business community and tourism industry are going to love you!) You're not joking, but if it wasn't so sad it would be funny. I think you'd be happier on this message board. These are the sorts of people you're encouraging with support for the BNP. **WARNING** to other users - DON'T follow this link if you're offended by bad language or racist crap. It's horrible, but it's the reality of the BNP's hardcore - these are the sort of people you'd be putting in power.)
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Apr 26, 2006 7:38:03 GMT 1
Post by indianwells on Apr 26, 2006 7:38:03 GMT 1
dand1977,judging by the time of that post you had clearly just finished consuming vast amounts of alcohol.It's the only explanation I can come up with.
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Apr 26, 2006 8:47:47 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 26, 2006 8:47:47 GMT 1
Salopboy, you are a nutcase. "Are you suggesting that Islam is similar to Christianity- that it is really a gentle, passive faith that's just been misrepresented in the media? You should read about Muhammad and how he practiced holy war -and why it continues today -or what the Koran says earning your way into Paradise." Hmmm, Christianity 'a gentle, passive faith that's just been misrepresented in the media'? What about the Crusades, you muppet? What about the sectarian violence that's caused the deaths of over 3,000 people on British soil since the 1960s? What about the Spanish inquisition? What about the spread of AIDS and over population in the 3rd World due to the 20th century Catholic idea that contraception should not be allowed? What about the deaths of 20,000,000 (yes, 20 million) indigenous Latin Americans at the hands of Cortez and his conquistadores, all in the name of the Christian faith? Read some history, mate! "If you really knew anything about the Koran then you'd know that unlike the Bible, every single word that's written in it is supposedly that of God's -Therefore it would be regarded as a mortal sin to add, take away or twist anything written within it. The word of the Koran is as 'pure' today as it was when it was written back in the 7th century." What, so you prefer the concept of the Bible? At the last count, there was about 600 different versions of the Bible, most of them changed and twisted to suit the needs of individual sects, monarchs or whoever else wanted to barstewardize the Christian faith for their own ends. Strange that out of over 30 gospels, only 4 are ever studied by most Christians. The fact that the Koran is as pure and undiluted as it ever was is a massive point in favour of the Islamic faith, not a valid criticism. At least Muslims have the strength of their convictions, as opposed to having to refer to a text that's had as many different versions as "La Bamba". Truth is, there's fundamentalists of all religions. Terrorists using the Islamic faith to justify hate crimes in London are no different to the "Christians" who battle each other every marching season in Belfast. And one last thing, stop trying to prove your benevolent nature by pretending you're morally outraged by what's going on in Iraq. It didn't work for the News of the World or the Mirror and it's not gonna work for you. That is all. I don't deny that history is littered with many barbaric acts against humanity, carried out in the supposed name of Christianity. However, here in Britain we've stopped burning little old ladies at the stake and the Crusades happened 800 years ago.. The Bible has more than a few harsh, intolerant verses - but these are in the Old Testament. The New Testament tempers these verses - and it's from the New Testament modern Christians take their lead. When was the last time you read about a church-goer offering up his first born son as a sacrificial lamb? You''re right, the Bible has been changed and twisted and certain parts ignored.In the past this was done to justify all kinds of terrible acts -but our ancestors have 'tamed' Christianity to make it compatible with the liberal Western democracy we enjoy today. The Islam on the other hand has not changed in centuries.It' is as harsh and intolerant as it always has been. As I've said before, there are many decent muslims but it's not them as individuals I'm critical of - it's the religion itself.A war like religion that instructs it's followers to fight and kill unbelievers "O you who believe.Fight those disbelivers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you" -Surah 9:123 Does all this mean that I want to do away with Islam? ..... No, Islam in Islamic countries is fine. How Islam treats it's people (women especially) may seem harsh through the eyes of a Westerner - but it must be recognized that that's their way of life and has been for centuries. By the same token muslims here in the West must realize that our way of life is also dear to us.They have no more right to foist their beliefs on our society than we have to force our liberal Western democracy on their's.
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salopboy
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Apr 26, 2006 9:02:39 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 26, 2006 9:02:39 GMT 1
.......and yes I am genuinely outraged about what's happened in Iraq Britain has been dragged into an unjust war that has cost the lives of 100,000 Iraqi civllians and 103 of our sevicemen.
I have have friends and family members who've served or still serving out there.Blair's war has cost the British taxpayer £1Billion every year ...... all this when our NHS is going down the pan -with hospitals and closing or nurses are being laid off.
Our troops should be here in Britain - safeguarding British soil .. and those wasted billions should be spent on our own people.
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