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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 11, 2006 19:21:32 GMT 1
I got slated in the press in March 2003, when I wanted Ratcliffe out, I was proven right on that occasion, because we subsequently went down. Town fans didnt call for his sacking until the night we went down.!!! I just don`t see any excitement,entertainment, progression. All this cr@p about Rome wasn`t built in a day, and `learning curve`, and `young squad can only get better`, is just rubbish. Football doesnt work like that. Why do people think we will suddenly be challenging for promotion next season. If we lose Joe in goal, as seems likely, it will be even harder than this year. Town fans are the most naive, easily satisfied , fans in the country Peters told us in advance what to expect and where we would finish. SO FAR HIS PREDICTION IS CORRECT. Why would you want him out or replaced, best thing since the days of Graham Turner, do you remember those days ? Whats your thoughts on our home record this season with this new team with no experience and with many who have never played league f/ball before or experienced a full 90 mins from previous clubs?
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Post by non beleiver on Mar 11, 2006 19:26:46 GMT 1
messiah, mark wright will be available come may, is this the type of manager you want to see, or atkins? we are a club running on limited resources in a rundown stadium, mediocre support, with the cost of housing and the wages stfc pay how difficult must it be to attract players here? gary peters is overhauling this club from the under nines up, we will see the benefits in the future, it is mediocre at the moment but today we competed well with a table topping club, or should roland get out his cheque boook pay stupid wages etc and in 2 years we will have no club to support, get real, or if you are truly a messiah work a miracle
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Post by Mr Wallis on Mar 11, 2006 19:29:41 GMT 1
Are we s*** or what? The performance today was one of the worse this season. Peters has to go.
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Post by Mr Coulson on Mar 11, 2006 19:32:12 GMT 1
Face facts lads were simply not good enough
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Post by jamo on Mar 11, 2006 19:36:17 GMT 1
This thread is a good example of how some view B & A as a clique- rather than reasoned argument a number of regulars have resorted to name calling. If you do not agree with the guest posters point of view, give your own and keep the playground personal attacks out of it. Nick (Executive Club Member) Utter tosh Nick. If you or anyone else, guests included, have a viewpoint and wish to air it on this forum than that is perfectly acceptable but i definately reserve the right to ridicule, insult or be sarcastic to, anyone who appears regurlarly with negative points with the sole intention of causing trouble . The fact that someone hides behing spurrious excuses makes it all the more reasonable for people to have a pop at them. Put up or shut up or don't post anything in the first place. Finally, i'm not altogether what being a member of the Executive Club does to add validity to ones argument, why...one could even call it a clique !
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Post by WindsorShrew on Mar 11, 2006 19:39:27 GMT 1
Guest posters ....dont you just love them. ;D
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Post by texmexshrew on Mar 11, 2006 19:43:06 GMT 1
I got slated in the press in March 2003, when I wanted Ratcliffe out, I was proven right on that occasion, because we subsequently went down. Town fans didnt call for his sacking until the night we went down.!!! I just don`t see any excitement,entertainment, progression. All this cr@p about Rome wasn`t built in a day, and `learning curve`, and `young squad can only get better`, is just rubbish. Football doesnt work like that. Why do people think we will suddenly be challenging for promotion next season. If we lose Joe in goal, as seems likely, it will be even harder than this year. Town fans are the most naive, easily satisfied , fans in the country took you till March to want ratcliffe out? Are you Roland FFS?? Anyone with 20/20 vision would have been clear around mid december of the gravitiy of the situation we were in. Forget the cup run which deluded the boards opinion of KR. Personally I wont put GP up there in the echelons of 'the best thing to have happened to this club - YET. Lets see him deliver next season. Your argument is a poor one. For the decent points you might raise (lack of width for starters) you destroy the validity be reckoning Paul Merson would be good for STFC..
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Post by SCARED OF THE CLIQUE on Mar 11, 2006 19:46:46 GMT 1
I don't agree with this guy -it's nice to watch jester and others squirm down the bottom for a change. However insulting someone by calling them a t***** , total willy and a liar is hardly debating it properly -more like the schoolyard
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2006 19:53:15 GMT 1
Beginning a thread with "How much longer are we going to put up with this mediocre cr@p. No ideas, no creativity,nothing up front. Im officially calling for Peters to go. Enough is enough" may not have been the best start to a debate I've ever heard.
PS Re: your username, are you describing yourself (ironically I imagine) as being afraid of the clique. Or is your nickname 'Scared' and you're describing yourself as part of the clique? Cheers.
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Post by Tony Blair on Mar 11, 2006 19:53:36 GMT 1
I like to think i know a good clique when i see one (kensington pc brigade for starters , but as just about everyone disagrees with what the massiah is saying, doesnt that make them the majority, rather than a clique? Hope i can count on your support in the may elections everyone by the way
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Post by jamo on Mar 11, 2006 19:53:37 GMT 1
I don't agree with this guy -it's nice to watch jester and others squirm down the bottom for a change. However insulting someone by calling them a t***** , total willy and a liar is hardly debating it properly -more like the schoolyard You lying willy. .
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Post by nickjonesey on Mar 11, 2006 20:04:19 GMT 1
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Utter tosh Nick.
If you or anyone else, guests included, have a viewpoint and wish to air it on this forum than that is perfectly acceptable but i definately reserve the right to ridicule, insult or be sarcastic to, anyone who appears regurlarly with negative points with the sole intention of causing trouble .
The fact that someone hides behing spurrious excuses makes it all the more reasonable for people to have a pop at them. Put up or shut up or don't post anything in the first place.
Finally, i'm not altogether what being a member of the Executive Club does to add validity to ones argument, why...one could even call it a clique ![/quote]
I'm sure the messiah can look after himself, but I was seeking to highlight the childish way the 'reasoned argument' had disintegrated into name calling.
The Exec Club reference was to illustrate that there are other supporters, from all of the supporter groups, who regularly view or post. I was showing solidarity with the fellow Exec Member who was the brunt of the abuse.
Incidentally I happen to disagree with the messiah's views, and are really looking forward to the next five years as a Town supporter. GP has done everything he said he would, and Welsshrew made some excellent points.
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Post by still scared of the majority on Mar 11, 2006 20:06:48 GMT 1
actually if you bothered to read what I had said instead of foaming at the mouth you will notice that I also agree with the majority of people on here re Peters. What I don't agree with is the personal insults being banded about just because you disagree with a point of view.
you are calling for informed debate on a subject but can only retort with insults and then seem suprised when folk don't want to post as themselves
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 11, 2006 20:07:32 GMT 1
GP is going about rebuilding the team in the classic way and doing what is possible on limited resources.
That means making us hard to beat, organsing a solid defence and and ensuring that the players work hard and are honest.
Once the foundation is in place then flair should be added, but this is the difficult task. A start was made with the signing of Richard Evans, not GP's fault that he has not been fit. But signing more of the sort of players who can turn games for a club with our resources will not be easy. Those types are rare and in demand.
I think that the Messiah expects instant results and is unrealistic about the time scale needed to achieve what we all want - especially given our many years of steady decline.
Constantly changing the manager is a recipe for disaster anyway and the Paul Merson recommendation must be a joke.
Oh, and I don't think that someone of Jamo's erudition and wit needs to resort to name calling.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Mar 11, 2006 20:12:55 GMT 1
How much longer are we going to put up with this mediocre cr@p. No ideas, no creativity,nothing up front. Im officially calling for Peters to go. Enough is enough You talk s**te mate sorry
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 11, 2006 20:19:09 GMT 1
How much longer are we going to put up with this mediocre cr@p. No ideas, no creativity,nothing up front. Im officially calling for Peters to go. Enough is enough You talk sh!te mate sorry [img src="http://www.shropshire.btinternet.co.uk/smiley/ www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0223.gif"].gif [/img][/quote] Which unfortunately brings on the name calling. Intresting to note that over the period of time and context of your posts , ACTUALLY NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU, does that not tell you something ?
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Post by jamo on Mar 11, 2006 20:59:01 GMT 1
. Oh, and I don't think that someone of Jamo's erudition and wit needs to resort to name calling. I apologise to anyone who is genuinely offended by my rantings on here, guest or otherwise, but i do attempt to remain the right side of decency. ( perhaps we have different standards. ) I am also accountable for any comments i make and am more than happy to repeat them in public. We are fortunate enough to have many fine guest contributors on here, some i agree with, some i don't, but none the less i accept their point of view. However ` The Messiah` is one of those that i genuinley feel is worthy of contempt simply because he only ever comes on here with negative comments and tales of gloom and despondency which leads me to believe that he is not a real Town fan at all. Check the forum; did he post after Carlisle or Darlington ? or Peterborough or Oxford ? No, he was tucked away safely in the bosom of the Executive Club enjoying the benefits.......possibly
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Post by downy on Mar 11, 2006 21:09:15 GMT 1
and me.....well i just dont care, if you get upset or even uptight about somthing i put on a message board then i have to say......"GET A FKN LIFE"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2006 21:16:09 GMT 1
This thread is a good example of how some view B & A as a clique- rather than reasoned argument a number of regulars have resorted to name calling. If you do not agree with the guest posters point of view, give your own and keep the playground personal attacks out of it. Nick (Executive Club Member) Unfortunately the use of personal insults is used by members and guests alike.
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Post by rob on Mar 11, 2006 21:17:26 GMT 1
The minority opinion not only makes this board interesting, but it is also vallid.
Rule by majority....now there's a scary thought
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2006 21:18:22 GMT 1
But, to add, I totally disagree with the views on GP posted by the Messiah. The most amusing idea is that Paul Merson would provide to be a better manager than GP. It's also worth remembering that we were excellent going forward under KR, but I doubt anyone wants a manager like him again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2006 21:21:10 GMT 1
Firstly I'm with nick on this one about calling people names and respecting opinions.
However, it is incredibly frustrating when someone posts as a guest especially when the only thing they do is post at 5pm on a Saturday afternoon after the Town have lost.
One thing to notice is the age of this years squad. Today's squad:
Hart 18 Hope 27 Burton 28 Herd 20 Ashton 20 Mclean 26 Edwards 19 Sorvel 32 McMenimen 25 Stallard 31 Langmead 20 Cowan 24 Addagio 19 Cronin 20 Hogg 20 Sharp 31
An average age of 23 and a half years.
Peters is building for the future - don't expect success over night as Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Post by The messiah on Mar 11, 2006 21:33:40 GMT 1
"Rome wasn`t built in a day" About 4 months ago , I said Tolley wasn`t as great as people were saying, and I would sell him for 10 grand plus. I was ridiculed. Who was right? Me
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Mar 11, 2006 21:34:55 GMT 1
I am looking forward to the Messiah starting his 'Peters Out' campaign at the next home game.
For the record have they ever unfurled a banner in the Exec Area.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2006 21:35:11 GMT 1
[/img] [img src="http://www.shropshire.btinternet.co.uk/smiley/ www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0223.gif"].gif[/img] [img src="http://www.shropshire.btinternet.co.uk/smiley/ www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0223.gif"].gif[/img] About 4 months ago , I said Tolley wasn`t as great as people were saying, and I would sell him for 10 grand plus. I was ridiculed. Who was right? Me [/quote] Tolley's form this season has been excellent - that's the reason that higher league clubs have been looking at him
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Post by The messiah on Mar 11, 2006 21:40:37 GMT 1
Why has Peters only offered him a 1 year contract then
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2006 21:41:59 GMT 1
Because he is weak/injury prone?
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Post by shrewslander on Mar 11, 2006 21:45:27 GMT 1
Why has Peters only offered him a 1 year contract then because it fits, 1 year Tolley 10 grand Tolley sorry 11 grand Tolley love your name by the way, suits your persona
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2006 21:49:53 GMT 1
Thanks for answering my questions Messiah.
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Post by trev on Mar 11, 2006 22:11:30 GMT 1
I have a little sympathy for this mans views but it's pointless calling for his head now so near the end of a season when it looks like we're staying up anyway. Judging him on performances so far i'm not convinced by Peters but lets see what happens next season. I have to say that comparing Peters to Graham Turner is a recipe for over expectation on Peters part because I doubt if we'll ever see those great days of the eighties again who ever is in charge. I'm not a Peters fan but i'm prepared to be prooved wrong on him although I have strong reservations on that one.
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