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Post by Theoneandonly on Jan 9, 2004 20:33:45 GMT 1
Its good to see that "Kilroy" is on huetus on BBC 1 for his disgusting comments about people of Arabian nationality. But surley there will not be a banner in the backround of his studio saying: "BBC Against Racism" will there? Why is Racism so well documented, with fans helping with the fans charter, and the "Kick Racism out of football" campaign, only for this nutter to throw the whole situation back into controversy! The next time i see Kilroy on the Box it will be too soon!
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Post by mystic on Jan 9, 2004 20:36:21 GMT 1
Kilroy?
He's such a Killjoy
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Post by kickinpretty on Jan 9, 2004 20:49:07 GMT 1
Seems like theres quite a few Sunday Express readers on here or are you all just jumping on the kilroy is a monster bandwagon?
I will reserve judgment untill i read the full story as published - Its also wise to note that you shouldn't beleive everything you read in the papers.
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Post by Paul on Jan 9, 2004 20:51:52 GMT 1
Although I agree his comments were out of order to say the least I fail to see the link between his comments and the Kick Racism out of football initative.
As I said above his comments were incredibly err daft I wonder what would have happened had it been a Arab sterotyping a Jew/Christian/American/Westerner in a bad light. Its well documented that there are people who spout their anti Jewish/Christian/American/British/Western feelings in this country but does the Commisinorfor Racial Equality come out criticising them and calling for them to be prosecuted by the police. Or maybe I've just been reading Richard Littlejohns column in the Sun too much......
Personally I am glad he's off the box as he is such a patronising idiot but its sad it had to take something like this. Id much preferred he had gone out in an Angus Deyton type scandal
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Post by Theoneandonly on Jan 9, 2004 21:04:30 GMT 1
The government/Police etc spend millions of pounds on the anti-racism campaign only for Kilroy to say the very things that we are trying to "Kick out" of football and society in general! This story is on the ITV news, so i didn't read the story in the paper.
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Post by gregtheshrew on Jan 9, 2004 21:18:32 GMT 1
Yes but sadly the abuse that Norwich fans gave Joseph Yobo last week is swept under the carpet. I just wish there was consistency in what is done each time.
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Post by R6ix on Jan 9, 2004 22:06:11 GMT 1
if you look at the horrors being commited all over in the name of race and religion, the small words of a tv chatshow host pail in to insignificance, when i see a palestinian blow 10 kids and mothers up i wont think about what kilroy said about em, ill save my outrage for those who deserve it?
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 9, 2004 23:16:24 GMT 1
"when i see a palestinian blow 10 kids and mothers up i wont think about what kilroy said about em, ill save my outrage for those who deserve it?"
when a palestinian "blows 10 kids and mothers up", maybe it is there form of resistance? It is the only way they can fight the Jewish oppression? As their Houses and Towns are destroyed, as palestinian families are effectively kept under house arrest, as the land on which they live is once again being removed from their grasp by settlers. They haven't got tanks, they have't got satelites, military intelligence, they have themselves.
Its certanly not right, but it is no worse than what the civiliised white Jews (often backed by the lovely west) are inflicting upon the Paestinians.
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Post by hmm on Jan 9, 2004 23:21:31 GMT 1
Yes, thats the PC/lefty version of what happens Rob. Romanticising the poor Palestinians struggle against the evil Israelis. The only reason that this story has stuck out one bit is that Kilroy has supposedly said what a lot of people think, and we've all become accustomed to not being allowed to say what we think.
Not PC but true.
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Post by royoftherovers on Jan 9, 2004 23:33:27 GMT 1
i was under the impression that the norwich fans were chanting "you fat bar steward" to our chunky all action hero rooney,and that no chants were aimed at yobo.
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 9, 2004 23:43:18 GMT 1
hmm, on the contrary, I have both relatives and friends who live out there. All are Jewish and most are believe that Palestinians are to blame, altho' they recognise that Sherome is not helping the situation. Even their military commander (cant remember his name) spoke out against the actions of the Israeli government, by stating their actions (new fence) would cause more harm than good in the long run.
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Post by Chris J on Jan 10, 2004 0:09:00 GMT 1
Yes, thats the PC/lefty version of what happens Rob. Romanticising the poor Palestinians struggle against the evil Israelis. The only reason that this story has stuck out one bit is that Kilroy has supposedly said what a lot of people think, and we've all become accustomed to not being allowed to say what we think. Not PC but true. No, not true, just your version, which isn't the same thing. i think you gave your postion away with the derogatory terms 'PC/lefty'. Personally I unequivocally condemn suicide bombings. I also note that the death toll in the Israeli/Palestiniam conflict is always heavier on the Palestinian side. I also note the deliberately provocative acts of settlement and murder carried out by the Israeli government. I think Rob is a little one-eyed in his assessment of the situation, but if hypocrisy is under discussion we should remember that the state of Israel was founded after a 'terrorist' campaign.. against the British administration of Palestine. Hmmmm indeed. On the Kilroy issue, he's not really 'saying what people think', he's just pandering to the prejudices of Sunday Express readers; he's done a fine job to have this contribution noticed amid the torrent of xenophobic little-englander crap they pump out most weeks.
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 10, 2004 0:14:45 GMT 1
oi, I was, I was just trying to empasise that there was more to this conflict than just suicide bombings. That was all.
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Post by Chris J on Jan 10, 2004 0:48:55 GMT 1
Sorry Rob, when I said 'he's just pandering to the prejudices of Sunday Express readers', it read as though I meant you- I meant Kilroy, of course! And you're right, there's a lot more to it than the suicide bombings, but there's no oil in Palestine, so Blair and Dubya don't care.
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Post by manc shot on Jan 10, 2004 1:13:27 GMT 1
"I wonder what would have happened had it been a Arab sterotyping a Jew/Christian/American/Westerner in a bad light?" Awww Bless Em, our freindly Arab chums would never dream of saying such a thing
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Post by TonyHullShrew on Jan 10, 2004 11:17:29 GMT 1
I haven't read the article, but my understanding is Kilry Sick (oh dear typos are annoying) said that the arab nations have given nothing to civilisation. My understanding of history is that the arab/muslim nations were at the forfront of research and intellectual advances a few centuries ago and the west had to catch up. It seems, that not only was he being xenaphobic and hypercritical, but he was just plain wrong!
As for the "Jewish"/palastinian conflict, I feel that both sides have committed horrendus attrocities. However, I distinguish the Israeli government fromn the Jewish religion and relate to the perpetrators against Palastine as Israelis, rather than Jews. I feel that this avoids a confusion with anti-semitism (I'm not accusing anyone on this board of that). However, you always have a problem with words as I wouldn't like to implicate peace loving Israelis in the attrocities either.
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Post by pawlo on Jan 10, 2004 11:19:36 GMT 1
Palestine may noy be bathed in oil, but I have to wonder if the situation would be a little different if it was Palestinians who controlled massive chunks of the American economy rather than Jews.
As with most issues relating to America, if theres not a buck in it for them they dont want to know. People are dying in there thousands everyday in Countries across the world in circumstances that make your hair curl but unless the people involved have power or influence (wich is unlikely), unkle tom just sits and plays with himself.
Oh yeh, and kilroys a loser.
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Post by R6ix on Jan 10, 2004 11:35:49 GMT 1
sounds as if there could be a ticker tape parade soon for the taliban boys on tour tipton battalion . ???welcome home lads?
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Post by Chris J on Jan 10, 2004 11:40:11 GMT 1
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Post by Manc Shot on Jan 10, 2004 11:47:26 GMT 1
Yes that 'Scum' went to fight for the Taliban and now they will be welcomed back with open arms in certain parts of the community.
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Post by R6ix on Jan 10, 2004 11:56:16 GMT 1
it seems strange to me how anti west clerics can openly preach death and destruction to the west on our door step unmolested yet the slightest wiff of critiscm from the other side is stamped down and crushed at once?
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Post by MartinB on Jan 10, 2004 12:40:25 GMT 1
what makes it worse is this articel was first printed in APRIL. Why all the fuss now when it is re-printed.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 10, 2004 12:43:07 GMT 1
it seems strange to me how anti west clerics can openly preach death and destruction to the west on our door step unmolested yet the slightest wiff of critiscm from the other side is stamped down and crushed at once? That is an interesting point At university the Christian Union was banned from the guild of students for being an "inclusive society", because it existed for people who regarded themselves as Christian. meanwhile the Islamic Society, backed by quite a few local mosques brought in a Mullah for somewhere in London who openly backed the worldwide Jihad against America and said the reason the United Kingdom is an ailing country is the amount of Jews we have in government, and read out a list of all the people in the cabinet / shadow cabinet etc who have Jewish ancestry No complaints against that event were ever aired because it was deemed "too sensitive" I had many Muslim friends who were great people and really very friendly. But stuff like that does make you wonder. The Arab civilization is a difficult one to call because was Kilroy referring to the Muslim nations or arab nations? Every civilization has given a lot to humanity in different ways, although I watched a programme all about this on C4 a while back, about the advances given to the west from other parts of the world, but when you got down to it, apart from a bit of chinese medicine and some meditation techniques from Thailand, most of the other advances were just modified engineering works that had been built across north africa and the middle east by the romans, and before them the greeks the bottom line is we all need each other to exist, and history bares that out so the people who make "Paki" jokes in Curry houses obviously don't realise the millions of Indians who fought for us in World War One.
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Post by Tony_HullShrew on Jan 10, 2004 17:21:33 GMT 1
A good post Throb, but I was led to understand - probably also on channel 4 - that the arabic areas were a strong centre of learning at one point (not sure of the dates) and that the west had to catch up. I can't profess to be an expert myself though and my memory sometimes plays tricks, so i am probably talking cr@p. Your comment "we all need each other to exist" was spot on and you only have to look at the words we use, food we eat, art music etc to see that life is more enjoyable when we share each others cultures.
Having seen a write up on Kilroy in the Grauniad, I see that he described Arabs as "suicide Bombers, limb amputators and women repressors". The reason that there was no outcry in April, was probably because anti-moslem sentiment was acceptable in the light of the war (we could not say enough bad words about Islam and the Arab nations in the media or elsewhere) and Moslem groups' concerns were largely ignored in the name of national security. Some people have now woken up in the cold light of day and realised that you should not make blanket discriminatory statements about arabs, moslems or whoever. The BBC were probably cautious about making unpatriotic suspensions of staff. Further to this maybe the right people did not see the article first time around.
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Post by Tony_HullShrew on Jan 10, 2004 17:23:14 GMT 1
What is rsix talking about?
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Post by Chris J on Jan 10, 2004 18:01:53 GMT 1
What is rsix talking about? F*** knows. I think he may be referring to the British muslims who joined the Taliban (more fools they) but I'm not sure what his point is. If anyone's interested in reading what the slimy tw*t (Kilroy) actually said, there's a link at the bottom. You might notice firstly that he fails to differentiate between the religious fanatics and the rest of the 200 million arabs in the world (bit like confusing the population of the EU with Ian Paisley's DUP); assumes that because they don't like the US government they want all it's citizens dead (I don't like Dubya, but I'm not planning mass murder); talks about the brave 'rescue' of that US woman soldier without adding that she was 'rescued' from Iraqui doctors who had found her lost and wounded and cared for her; drivels sententiously about the fact we care for asylum seekers from arab countries like Saudi Arabia, Algeria and Egypt without mentioning that the regimes in those countries are US/UK backed, and so on. And let's not have anyone spouting crap about 'political correctness'; that's just a lazy, meaningless non-argument used by those who don't actually have facts or logic to back their prejudices. And yes, I am in a f******* bad mood as I wanted to go to the game today, saw it was off and found it was on too late to travel up from Glos. Link here www.arabmediawatch.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1206
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Post by Manc Shot on Jan 10, 2004 18:43:36 GMT 1
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Post by Chris J on Jan 10, 2004 18:49:06 GMT 1
Can we infer anything from the fact you've linked to the BNP site? (And to save you asking, I linked to arabmediawatch because it was the first site google gave me with the full texts of both articles.)
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Post by Manc Shot on Jan 10, 2004 18:55:20 GMT 1
Why does it matter Chris?? Or can't we look view this thread from both angles?
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Post by Manc Shot on Jan 10, 2004 18:58:04 GMT 1
Hey where did my forward slash go??? ;D
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