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Post by shrewsbadger on Mar 18, 2004 20:33:43 GMT 1
Fed up?
Why are we so surprised at being beat by Telford? We are in the same league and while we should be beating these teams I'm getting a bit fed up with this attitude that we are so much better than anyone else, that we will walk over teams.
The players we have are at the better end of conference standard, hence we are in the top three of the conference. Why do people expect us to have a team that is so much better than the division standard? If the players were of a higher standard they would be playing at a higher standard, and would all be playing for the likes of kidderminster!
If I hear one more time someone saying," this is the worst team I've seen", or "this team is cr@p compared to the one 10 years ago" Of course it is, its a conference team! Get off individuals backs, accept that the players aren't going to be as gifted as those we've seen before and start believing that this team is good enough to win automatic promotion, which it undoubtedly is!
Everyone has the right to moan, but to enter a corner shop and spend the next 2 hours moaning that the product selection is much poorer than at Tescos is bullsh!t!
Yes it hurt on Tuesday, but get over it! I'm not to worried about you negative lot on here but what concerns me is the negativity at the meadow, mostly from older to middle aged men (but also many younger people) Who continually harp on about it being the worst team ever, and are prepared to boo and personally attack players at their first touch. Ryan Lowe for example the other week when he scored and set up the goal. If I was him after scoring his goal I would have run to the Wakeman end of the Riverside and told the miserable moaning pessimists where to stick it. (ps. I was the one ironically booing and screaming "Quin you idiot get the useless git off" as he celebrated his goal!)
I'm all for showing players that a performance is not good enough but for a team to be third in the division and get the kind of stick they have recieved recently is quite frankly disgusting, and for a suggestion to be made that a manager should be sacked after 9 months with a virtually new squad, lying third in the division, shows what a dream world we are living in!
I admit sometimes Quins Tactics baffle me and seem quite bizarre, but the fact we are still in a very creditable position, is enough for me!
Come on you Blues (and quite frankly if you think the team and manager are sh!t, stay away!) I'm sure your 12 quid could be better spent else where!
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Post by faginy on Mar 18, 2004 20:35:45 GMT 1
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Post by shrewsbadger on Mar 18, 2004 20:41:04 GMT 1
hmm yes! thought I would give it a second airing! To be honest with you I'm so fed up standing in the area I do, listening to these chaps that I'm considering upping sticks and moving my way towards the centre of the riverside where things seem a little more positive!
Will be a shame though, have roughly occupied the same area for 15 years, (dear old Mother would turn in her grave at the thought!)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2004 20:41:33 GMT 1
"and quite frankly if you think the team and manager are sh!t, stay away!) "
I am sure the directors feel the same way, imagine bumper 1,000 crowds to every match.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 18, 2004 20:44:02 GMT 1
>>>>I admit sometimes Quins Tactics baffle me and seem quite bizarre, but the fact we are still in a very creditable position, is enough for me!<<<<
Jimmy Quinns tactics are baffling himself !! He does'nt know his best eleven, his tactics are awful, and Dave Cook adds no contribution of what i saw at FGR
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2004 20:46:11 GMT 1
ignore the fact that it was Telford, the game showed up the deficiencies which will be a massive worry to the end of our season.
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Post by Bilbo on Mar 18, 2004 20:46:17 GMT 1
errrrmmmmm What shall I spend my £12 on? Come on Shrewsbadger, get off our backs. I will be there on Saturday and shall shout as loud as I normally do. But don't expect me not to be happy when they play dross. I don't need you or anybody else to tell me what do or what to say.
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Post by shrewsbadger on Mar 18, 2004 20:56:47 GMT 1
I'm not getting at the majority of supporters for having their say, just the kind of attitude that Town are supposed to be better than they ever can be as a conference team!
It seems to me many of you have given up, and I saw nothing that caused me worries for the rest of the season on Tuesday apart from a tactical decision that didn't work! We all make mistakes, but not all of us are in a position to put things right. Lets let Quin sort it out and charge to the title!
Sorry if my views aren't shared by the rest of you, maybe I'll just buy some ear plugs and that will solve all my problems.
Lets remember whatever our differences, we all have a common goal and only really want one thing, lets unite behind that fact, and come May if we go up, I'll personally hug everyone of the crowd, even those who are still declaring thats its not as good as the championship winning team of 1979!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2004 20:58:08 GMT 1
"and I saw nothing that caused me worries for the rest of the season on Tuesday"
The terrible finishing didn't bother you then? It doesn't matter how well we play, if we keep shooting like that then we won't go very far.
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Post by Shakey252 on Mar 18, 2004 21:00:33 GMT 1
Shrewsbadger got to be honest, i'm sick of reading these fed up/cheer up/whats up/ overreacting posts and find it a bit much to have to read yours twice. Being a football fan is about choices. Who you support, when you go and watch your team, whether you buy a season ticket/replica kit/leisure wear etc. "So if you think the team and manager are sh!t, stay away" is you telling me not to come to a game because i think either is. So therefore my choice has gone because you told me?. No, people will still go and many will be negative there are many reasons for that and it happens at every ground in the country all the time. Tuesday's result for me showed to many supporters how far this proud club has fallen. To lose a competitive game to historically our lesser neighbours is a massive body blow. The hurt some felt after that is like 'splitting with you other half, losing a pet or worse'. And as in all those occassions people get over it with time at different lengths of time. Don't disrespect others feeling by telling them to get over it just because you and others on here have come to terms with it more quickly. And i think one of your options is sh!t but i'll be there Saturday supporting the others.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 18, 2004 21:04:55 GMT 1
Shrewsbadger: everyone is entitled to an opinion and this one is mine. Quinn doesnt know his best formation. His best Line up He fail's to fill vacancies in the team with appropriate players..Sedgemore is no left back,Street is no winger and nor is Ryan Lowe. He at the end of the day has to carry the can. We have been continuing to play poor all season.
Now whilst Im happy to be in a play off position, with what he has got in his squad we should be closer to Chester at least or even ahead of them. I also think he doesnt need both Cooke and Bates.
Saying all this I will still give 100% effort myself at GM to get Town back into the Football League
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Post by Bilbo on Mar 18, 2004 21:05:48 GMT 1
Why not have an amnesty until Saturday with no more critisism. Then let rip again on Saturday if they play s**te again. To be honest, I have found the last few days fascinating reading the for & against view on the Town & Quinn. It goes to show how pasionate we are about the Town Sing your hearts out for the lads!!!!!!!
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Post by nathanialjcatbasket on Mar 18, 2004 21:08:36 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2004 21:09:23 GMT 1
Why not have an amnesty until Saturday with no more critisism. Then let rip again on Saturday if they play sh!te again. What will not saying the truth do for STFC? Unfortunatly, it's the fans who can see the cracks in the squad and the team that the management should be seeing. If I expected to see good football and the right tactics I would have stopped going to the matches along time ago. I go to support my team and that's what I'll continue doing through this season and for many seasons to come
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Post by Bilbo on Mar 18, 2004 21:11:39 GMT 1
That small paragraph was written Phil.
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Post by shrewsbadger on Mar 18, 2004 21:15:15 GMT 1
Shakey, I don't see your point "how far this great team has fallen" Is it the players out there on Tuesday that got us into this division? No, it was the awful drivel served up last year that got us into this division, and thats why we are now stuck with second rate players, who in their Division (which is all you can ask) are third and have only lost once at home this season.
As for me telling you what to do, it's a free country and you can do what you want, I was expressing an opinion and am entitled to do so as much as you can towards me! I really doubt though that the type of negative comments you express towards players is the type of thing I'm getting at. My problem are those people who are booing after three minutes at the first touch of a ball or those that screamed "f@ck off Street" before he had even touched a ball when replacing Aiston the other week!
Trust me I'm hurting about Tuesday, to be fair I've still not got over last year and would probably still be crying on the riverside had I not been moved on by a steward that sad night. But we have to move on?
Frankly I'm fed up too?
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Post by Shakey252 on Mar 18, 2004 21:42:19 GMT 1
"Proud Club" is what i said. If you can't see my point no problem. But what is p!ss!ng me off is the "be positive again everyone" posters who are brow beating me with their opinions.
On quite a few of occasions five of the team that served up drivel last season have been on the same team sheet. Many of the quality new signings are here having apparently choosen us ahead of league teams, O'Connor, Tinson, Cramb and Darby spring to mind. So all this "accept where we are because we have Conference standard players" doesn't stack up. The quality is undoubtedly in the squad so whats wrong, why do they turn out the performances they do?
There are no negative comments from me about players. Please show me where i have been negative about players?
I have my opinion on whose accountable for that. But i will be there Saturday cheering on the quality players we have no matter how confused they are by what they are being asked to do.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 18, 2004 21:47:09 GMT 1
I posted something simmilar to shakey early today and have to say i have not felt like posting anything positive since tues (and not much since daggers)
People are happy people are p**sed off but its the ones who are telling me and others how to feel thats getting tiresome
GIve it a rest - the only way that me shakey, jp, SY2, ant ect ect will get more positve about the rest of the season is if we win and win well on sat - and i know all of the above will be there like every week getting 100% behind the team. If we do not see improvement on sat and tuesday i would imajin the nature of pesimistic and angey posts will continue
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 18, 2004 21:56:57 GMT 1
Let's overreact now and beat the rush.
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Post by LufbraSalop on Mar 18, 2004 22:08:24 GMT 1
Spot on Shrewsbadger, Im glad to see practically everyone who has reservations about this side will be shouting supports to those they find sub standard on Saturday. Its just a pity that many around you, as Shrewsbadger says, will take their opinions into the ground with them and slag from the off. I know many who still get ontop of O Connor even though hes been our best player for the last month, god knows what they'll say about the rest! And do you all think Jimmys been sitting on his arse everyday waiting for a left back to fall on his lap? Im sure hes been trying to sign someone for ages but whats the point if their no better than what weve got? Everyone is now saying we should keep a stable side but after the FGR game people were calling for changes. If you got everyone on this board to name their best town side how many different teams would you get? Howie Moss Ridler Tinson Sedge would be on everyones, and suprise suprise this is the most undisturbed part of the team. The rest of the sides picked would all be completely different because we (the fans) dont even know our best side, they are all so inconsistant no one does, its just pot luck! With this is it any suprise that Jimmy keeps on changing it? Hes under pressure to get results from us, and believe it or not, he wants to win too!!! To be honest i dont think hes messed around with tactics all that much, its either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 (apart from tuesday) and i dont think ive disagreed with many of his selections, at the start of the match anyway Ive heard from a source that Jimmy doesnt pick the side till the match day. According to this person Ratcliffe used to pick the side the day before and that led the players to be more relaxed with the system they were about to play. This might be a better way, then again it might be complete b******s, how do i know, im a supporter! I havent had 20 years in football, ive been watching for barely 10! Alll i know is Jimmy was given 2 years to get us back up and he'll live and die by the decisions he makes. Until its clear he isnt going to achieve it im sticking with him.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 18, 2004 22:23:18 GMT 1
I dont think he will litteraly die by the way we play in the next 2 years I will pick you up on a few points though its not the fact that he might only have played 2 possible 3 tactics all season its the regularity at which he flicks from one to the other, whilst still opersisting witha general long ball game. And i think if every one named there best team a great majority would play 2 wingers - something that has been mentioned a hell of a lot since crimbo yet we so no positive mocves to provide the club with width, its almost as if Quinn does not think we need it - another thing that has me worried about his tactical thinking!! As for us beliving he is sitting on his arce waiting for a left back (or even any other position) to fal in to his lap - he must be - the finances are there for a loan - but he is unwilling to use it at present when we are most in need - another mistak in my eyes - also he knows he has to get this right as after street and fitzy he need to bring a quality winnger in to the club now not some one who cant do the job!!
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Post by pawlo on Mar 18, 2004 22:29:31 GMT 1
How are we over reacting. We do play cr@p. How can anyone expect us to be proud and gratefull that we are third in the conference What is this rubbish about negativity hampering players performances. We have the best supported side in the conference. The fans do everthing that is asked of them and more and still get served up this awful mixture of ineptitude and incompitence, and im soddin sick of it. I would rather see our reserves out there loosing games, but giving 110%, fighting for every ball, chasing every half chance and taking pride in the fact that they where the shirt of a team with a long and proud history, being supported by fans who truelly love the club, than this shambles. Young Dave Edwards is a fine example. I would never dream of giving him stick, his effort is unquestionable, and what he lacks in experience and class, he makes up for by really trying. You can tell by just looking at him that it means something to him. Not like Cramb, who apparently is a class player, but spends half the game ambling around the centre circle and wont be bothered to attack the ball unless he can reach it with one stride. His body language is 100% negative. If he doesnt want to be here then my advice would be F$$k O%%, cos unless your here to work hard and do it for STFC, then your not wanted. The same should apply to the rest of them. How in Gods name we have let our standards and our sights slip so low is beyond me. This is not having a go at any posters on here and I know ive opened my self to be shot down, but for Christs sake, I love this club and it sickens me to think that we have sunk to the level we have. Its not about loosing to Telford, I couldnt go, so I didnt see how they played, if it was just cr@p for one game, well it happens, but as a team, we have been very poor all season, cant keep possession, cant pass the ball, cant get shots on target, cant even look determined for 90 minutes. I dont know who to blame, but I know one thing for certain. IT AINT MY FAULT.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 18, 2004 22:33:26 GMT 1
no pab its all your fault!!!!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 18, 2004 22:33:58 GMT 1
Tuesday's result for me showed to many supporters how far this proud club has fallen. To lose a competitive game to historically our lesser neighbours is a massive body blow. The hurt some felt after that is like 'splitting with you other half, losing a pet or worse'. That is the nail being well and truly whacked on the head!
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Post by LufbraSalop on Mar 18, 2004 23:15:19 GMT 1
but is the money there GP? Jimmys talked of having to get people off the wage bill to bring people in and we've got rid of precious few since then. Is there anyone around thats available on loan and is better than what we've got? if so name them, and e mail their names to Jimmy im sure he'd be delighted. Fact is most clubs in the FL have trimmed their squads and i doubt they are prepared to let players of quality leave. What tactic is he suposed to play if he plays our best team consistantly? the only winger in our best side is Aiston i think you'll agree so do we play with wingers and play someone out of position on the right? bring in a winger (tolley or Fitz) that he obviously feels isnt good enough? or play 4-3-3 and to the strengths of our best available team, atempting to play as few player out of position as possible? Its a hard one, im not sure which i would go with. As an aside, im not sick of people moaning on here, ive never posted so much before this week! its good to debate and it show that everyone has real opinions on the subject. Negative or postive at least we feel passionate enough to voice them.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 18, 2004 23:19:18 GMT 1
its good to debate and it show that everyone has real opinions on the subject. Negative or postive at least we feel passionate enough to voice them. quote of the day
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 0:01:50 GMT 1
but is the money there GP? Jimmys talked of having to get people off the wage bill to bring people in and we've got rid of precious few since then. Jimmy has already been backed strongly by the board financially. I would expect we have one of the top htree wage bills in the conference and with the likes of Darby, Cramb, Tinno and O'Connor on the book it wouldn't be suprising. We have a large squad but unfortunately there is not an even spread between the positions. We have Rodgers, Lowe, Banim, Darby, Cramb who are all strikers. We have Street, O'Connor, Tolley, Edwards who are central midfielders yet we only have one proven winger, the other (Fitz) is now on loan at Northwich
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 19, 2004 1:00:52 GMT 1
Many of us have been posting about the imbalances in the squad for months now and nothing has changed - no wonder we get frustrated.
I don't believe that there haven't been left footed defenders or specialist wide players available in that time. I also don't understand why we need 5 strikers when the need for cover in other positions is so obviously needed.
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Post by AFCBally on Mar 19, 2004 1:14:45 GMT 1
In all honesty if you did manage to get up this season imo if you wanted to challenge in div3 you would need a virtually new team again? i have seen you 8 times this season and out of the whole of your squad the only definates would be Rodgers and Tolley as for the others some are too old some not good enough and the rest squad members at best. As for Quinn whenever he plays us, he seems more worried about how we are going to play so picks his side accordingly , personally if i was manager i would let the opposition worry more about us?
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 19, 2004 1:25:45 GMT 1
In all honesty Bally mate, I don't think we would need a totally new squad as we more or less already have a league squad, that's the problem we have now.
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