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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 17, 2004 15:02:35 GMT 1
Lufbra and Surrey are talking sense. Too many Salop fans had unrealistic expectations this season. They assumed we were going urinate over allcomers. As soon as reality strikes home, they want blood. Reality struck with me when I realised that the old chestnut of a closing gap between Conference and third division was a nonsense.
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Post by StrettonBlue on Mar 17, 2004 15:12:37 GMT 1
SNF you are right. His comments have taken me aback.
It would seem that Mr Quinn is trying to convince us through his 'words' that we did not actually witness that performance from his team last night.
And the rubbish that 'they have their heads in there hands, shows how much they care' is a smokescreen. I bet all the players after Carlisle had their heads in their hands, but didn't Ratcliffe say some didn't care enough.
No his great talking in the media nolonger washes with me. Sorry but he got it wrong last night again trying to be to 'tactically aware'. Ten games to go and he still doesn't know what is best suited to the best squad in this awful division.
Always had my doubts about him, but last nights defeat reflects on the whole state of our club. Is Mr Poole going to provide us with the big clearout that should have happened eight months ago and that imo doesn't just include Mr Quinn and his yes man side kick.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 15:17:20 GMT 1
???Not sure what you mean by that Sean- are you saying that we were crap last year and we are only high up this year because the top of the Conference is crap- if so then please explain to me Doncaster and Yeovil's current status in Division 3 and Daganham and Morecambe's status in the Conference
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 15:20:29 GMT 1
Donacster and Yeovil considerably strengthened over the close season.
The conference is a poor standard of football - it must be otherwise we wouldn't be third!
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Post by Trev on Mar 17, 2004 15:21:14 GMT 1
It's not perfect but at least Quinns got them in the play off's so far in his first season. Ratcliffe on the other hand took us out of the league after four years in charge and he didn't get half the sh@t that Quinn's getting now from the majority on here. Lets give him the slack that Ratcliffe got but didn't deserve.
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Post by Baafly on Mar 17, 2004 15:21:20 GMT 1
Overall, it may be a crap division, but this doesn't mean that the teams in it are just going to step aside and give our lads all the space they need to stroke it around and slot it into the net. They (and especially that lot from Wellington) are going to sweat their testicles off to close us down and try and get a result against us. We're the fancy dans, the rich kids, the "arrogant" Shrews.
However I believe that any of the top 5 could (and will)do well in Division 3. And, to remind you again, that includes us.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 17, 2004 15:23:28 GMT 1
I was talking to mate who's a steward at Chester sometime last season, I asked about how close the two division are and he said "apart from one or two exceptions, the division is terrible and a long way off"
It appears he is correct.
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Post by Joe Totale on Mar 17, 2004 15:53:10 GMT 1
Take a step back. Considering the state we were in at the end of last season Quinn's done ok. He's not the best manager around but he'll do for now but I'd swap him for Graham Turner.
I fancy Hereford to go up with Chester. I think we'll make the play-offs but I don't reckon we'll get past our first game.
There's still too many of the players that came down last season at the club and they carry the scars.
When it comes to big games we are chokers I'm afraid. That said the one big game we have won recently was at home to Hereford so I might be totally wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 16:01:38 GMT 1
???Not sure what you mean by that Sean- are you saying that we were cr@p last year and we are only high up this year because the top of the Conference is cr@p- if so then please explain to me Doncaster and Yeovil's current status in Division 3 and Daganham and Morecambe's status in the Conference Take a look at the LT performance of clubs promoted from the Conference. Wycombe are in division two and about to be relegated. Halifax are back in the conference while Chelts, Kiddy, Boston, Macc and Darlington are all in the bottom half.
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Post by Baafly on Mar 17, 2004 16:13:33 GMT 1
Colchester? Lincoln?
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Post by StrettonBlue on Mar 17, 2004 16:18:10 GMT 1
Barnet?
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Post by Masada on Mar 17, 2004 16:20:10 GMT 1
Wycombe have held thier own in the 2nd division and almost made an Fa cup final, they will bounce back to div 2 soon enough.
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Post by gregtheshrew on Mar 17, 2004 16:42:11 GMT 1
Can't see the point in trying to undermine the manager at this stage of the season.Why try to disrupt the dressing room by getting rid of Quinn.Let him get on with the job and then take a look at it in the summer.If we fail miserably in the play-offs then maybe he should go.
Also i thought most people on here were more interested in promotion than the tinpot trophy.Obviously got that wrong.
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Post by blueandamber on Mar 17, 2004 18:24:03 GMT 1
I'll give him til the end of the season, then tell you what I think about him.
I'm still not sure what to make of him yet, apart from the weird tactics we have scored some good goals this season, maybe not pretty football but i'd rather have the points.
Then when we are in the third division we can start concentrating on the performance of our team as it will need to improve anyway.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 17, 2004 19:14:20 GMT 1
Can't see the point in trying to undermine the manager at this stage of the season.Why try to disrupt the dressing room by getting rid of Quinn.Let him get on with the job and then take a look at it in the summer.If we fail miserably in the play-offs then maybe he should go. Also i thought most people on here were more interested in promotion than the tinpot trophy.Obviously got that wrong. It does make me laugh when people post things like this...or one of those 'what would you rather win' questions. Doesn't seem to enter peoples minds that some Town fans (meself included) would have liked to have won the Trophy as well as wining promotion... And everyone on the board knows Quinn won't be sacked...he's here for the rest of this season at least...
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Post by MarkRowley on Mar 17, 2004 21:34:53 GMT 1
Give Quinn until the end of the season & see what the state of play is then.
If we get back in Div 3, he'll have done a good job, if we're not, the board will have to seriously consider the options. Whatever happens, we will desperately need a full overhaul of the playing staff in the summer.
Wherever we find ourselves at the start of next season, we need to ensure we have a squad that is capable of playing 4-4-2 with natural width, a bit of craft and guile, but above all passion.
Have no great attraction to seeing Ian Atkins as the next Town manager, as I like to see us play with skill rather than just brawn, but I'm a realist and anyone who can get the whole team playing with pride and battling in each game as if it's a Cup Final has to be the answer.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 17, 2004 22:13:58 GMT 1
Last night's result is a karate kick to the nuts of any Shrewsbury fan
and it just shows how far we have fallen
unfortunately I have seen or heard precious little from JQ that increases my faith in him
we just aren't good enough and he doesn't have the skill, capacity or motivational ability to change things
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 22:23:30 GMT 1
I've just voted Yes.
O'Connor would be a decent guy to get things moving.
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Post by Shakey252 on Mar 17, 2004 22:41:07 GMT 1
I have not voted, but many will know how i want to vote, if i say anything controversial some will say it's sour grapes Spoke to some of the players after the game and all were gutted, especially Luke who was visiabily shattered by the defeat. I honestly don't think the players lacked effort, but seemed confused with the system they were trying to play. That system didn't work against them in December, so why try it again. Sorry the blame for last nights defeat can only be laid at one persons door. But it won't change so we all have to get behind the players, it's the only way. Six very tough games coming up, those players are going to need all our support.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 22:46:54 GMT 1
Luke is an absolute pleasure to watch still.
Shakester, Ill be in Saturday to order my B&A t-shirt (Large) with 10 Jemson on the back if that's ok?
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Post by skunkie on Mar 17, 2004 23:14:48 GMT 1
I have no wish to ruin our chances in the play offs but if Jimmy Quinn Was playing Hangman he has nearly completed the the scaffold,i Dont want Conference football any more .us not securing promotion is a failure in the most important thing we had to do in his appointment
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Post by Chris on Mar 18, 2004 0:43:55 GMT 1
I have to say, that this makes me sick, for gods sack we are 3rd in the conference, to be honest some of Quinns decisions have been iffy, We havent had a settled manager here for ages, Give the team and staff your full support and stop getting at them, get behind them.
They need our help as well, we arent a top side in Uk football only a top side in the conference, it takes time to adjust.
They have their good days and bad days, dont we all.
Get behind them, not at them.
chris
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Post by georgiesaint on Mar 18, 2004 2:51:57 GMT 1
been away for a while out of the country ,come back to find quinn out ,why were 3rd ,whats going on
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Post by gaffer on Mar 18, 2004 4:18:43 GMT 1
I agree with Exkeeper. Quinn's too busy obeying every command Cramb is throwing at him. In other words kissing his arse just so he stays. Why should the management obey any players command. If any player doesnt want to play for the club, then ive got one thing to say to them. Pi$$ off!!! Harsh it may be but after last season, i want to see 11 players giving it 110% week in week out. Is it me but did it seem that Cramb wasnt the slightest bit interested or showing any sign of passion for the club.
It really puzzles me when you've someone like O'Connor who is the oldest on the pitch, and yet he runs his arse off the full duration he's on that pitch. And you've got Cramb who is alot younger than him and he couldnt be arsed to chase anything. Why play players like Cramb when he's clearly not committed to the club when you've players who really loves this club.
As for Quinn, is he the man to take us out of this division? I personally dont think so. We've clearly got the best squad in the conference but clearly are'nt performing. But hopefully i will be corrected!!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 18, 2004 12:28:56 GMT 1
We've clearly got the best squad in the conference but clearly are'nt performing. I disagree witht hat point I would swop Darby / Cramb for Clare / Stamp without question We're always rueing missed chances while Chester are winning 4-1. As for other areas of the pitch, we still need a left back and a right midfielder we're two players short of having a full team let alone the best squad
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Post by faginy on Mar 18, 2004 13:17:16 GMT 1
I would swop Darby / Cramb for Clare / Stamp without question i disagree with that point i would swop chesters two wide players for our two 'wide' players, thats the difference IMO
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 18, 2004 13:19:38 GMT 1
but our front two don't half miss some chances!
Yes I agree the service needs to be better, and the wide players from Chester obviously practised crossing...
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Post by Worthingshrew on Mar 18, 2004 15:18:25 GMT 1
my only real gripe with JQ is Banim not starting, which no-one has mentioned. Why sign striker who scores 90+ in 130 games and not give him a start? He'll have lost any confidence he once had at this rate. I don't buy the aurgument that its a big step up - Radcliffe are only 1 league below us, its not as though he's been playing in the Midland Alliance Div 3 (South) or something.
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Post by Baafly on Mar 18, 2004 15:42:51 GMT 1
Quinn's too busy obeying every command Cramb is throwing at him. In other words kissing his arse just so he stays. Do you have any evidence for that? Or are you just airing your anti-Cramb prejudice?
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Post by SurreyShrew on Mar 18, 2004 15:44:27 GMT 1
Ok, so even if we all agreed that Quinn should go at the end of the season if we don't win promotion - which I don't - let's get realistic about the 'status' of Shrewsbury Town and possible replacement managers.
Shrewsbury as a club is not renowned for attracting previously successful managers. The last one we did attract was John Bond. Arguably the most successful three we have had (Richie Barker, Graham Turner and Fred Davies) all came from within the club.
1. Ian Atkins. Why would he come to Shrewsbury when he currently manages a team in the play-off places in the 3rd.
2. Martin O'Connor. May become a good manager but has no experience and you want him to learn on the job as our manager, in what could an even more crucial 2nd season in the conference. Surely O'Connor needs some more time if we are going to promote him from within.
It is easy for us all to become touchline managers. A number of times this season you could question Quinn's tactics, but that is the same with any manager. The draw at Forest Green wasn't down to tactics - we just didn't take our chances.
Let's give Quinn time and the stability that this club needs.
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