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Post by Pilch on Mar 17, 2004 2:24:36 GMT 1
i did say i would post this now and again just to see if public opinion has changed
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Post by R6ix on Mar 17, 2004 2:34:09 GMT 1
im beginning to think the team he picks for champ manager is influincing his matchday team selections aswell? i mean 3 top quality strikers can only muster a couple of efforts on target from 20 odd shots, even i dont play streety as a left winger in champ man, in fact he was the first to go ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 2:39:59 GMT 1
If things don't get better and we are still playing long ball rubbish whilst changing formations every game by the end of the season then I would get rid.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 17, 2004 2:40:28 GMT 1
I was one of the few to vote "Yes" last time simply because I thought there was no way that the man should have any sort of a vote of confidence.
The Quinn Reaper is not going to help us. I've not changed my vote.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 2:41:50 GMT 1
He should stay.
But my opinion of him is falling.
Our inability to win away from home and JQ's tactics are the major point.
The next few weeks sees us play Aldershot, Hereford, Barnet, Exeter, Telford, Chester
Town need to be careful to ensure the playoffs first and foremost.
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Mar 17, 2004 3:35:59 GMT 1
I'm still hurting from last season, and the longer we go into this season the more that hurt is intensifying.
Looking from the outside in, it seems the players are struggling to grasp what the manager wants from them on a matchday and perhaps lack the motivation to fight for him.
I mean how many different team selections and tactics has he now employed? We are 7 months into the season and he is still tinkering and seemingly clueless as to our best side and formation.
Make no mistake, man for man this collection of individuals we have are far better than their league position, and more importantly performances suggest.
It should be Chester looking up at us. That is not arrogance as we are where we deserve to be based on the performances served up. From where I'm standing JQ is totally incapable of motivating and gelling them into the championship challenging squad they should be.
I really fear for us if we do somehow manage to go up via the play offs and that is not questioning the (majority of) players abilities.
Like everyone else, I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but that is how I read it at present.
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Post by texmexshrew on Mar 17, 2004 6:59:25 GMT 1
JQ yesterday spoke that the team dont need a team talk for this game.
Now, will he have the same opinion IF we get to the Play offs?
Our ultimate goal this season is promotion, the Cup was a nice distraction, and would have been great to win. (I'm not going to belittle to comp.)
Can JQ and his management sort this out NOW? This is the wrong time of the season to start stuttering.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 10:38:01 GMT 1
Yes Pilch but you are hardly going to get a realistic vote after we have just been dumped out of the cup against our local rivals- how about we see the same vote after a couple of wins
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Post by Bilbo on Mar 17, 2004 11:07:20 GMT 1
Give the job to Bates, until the end of the season and sack cook and quinn. Thats my spleen vented.
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Post by NewpShrew on Mar 17, 2004 11:35:37 GMT 1
Got to say i want Quinn out! I have been harping on for a couple of months now to my friends about how Quinn does not seem to have any tactical knowledge. He seems to beable to attract nice players to the club but has no idea how to get the best out of them. About a month ago he was asked on Q&A on shrews world why he keeps changing the formation and tactics, he said he plays 442 passing and did not understand the question. What? ? So please go quinn, so we can get someone in who will play nice passing football as if we played footbal we would be able to beat any team in this league.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 11:39:02 GMT 1
Give the job to Bates, until the end of the season and sack cook and quinn. Thats my spleen vented. Put Bates in charge? No thanks, IMO that would make things even worse. Like ant I think Quinn should still be in but my god the bloke is starting to pi$$ me off. He's used 6 or 7 different formations this season and obviously has his favourites when there are other options in front of him that he just isn't using
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 17, 2004 11:55:16 GMT 1
I would let all 3 go. There's no way I would give it to Bates.
To the end of the season I would ask O'Connor to take charge and no matter what get Ian Atkins back for the start of next season.
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Post by Exkeeper on Mar 17, 2004 11:57:12 GMT 1
Surely, he is changing formations, to accomodate Cramb, rather than do the obvious, and leave him out of any away game, which is likely to be a battle. Yes, we are a passing team, but we over-play, making too many short or square passes, giving teams time to get everyone back, behind the ball. Talk of getting rid of a manager that has lost something like 2 in 20 seems odd. Fergie should be very worried.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 17, 2004 11:57:31 GMT 1
Out - only after the next few weeks - if he can get some good loans in and get us winning against the good teams - chester at home is a must win for me - just for pride - lose that Quinn and i will be calling for you to go as well
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Post by NewpShrew on Mar 17, 2004 12:04:36 GMT 1
I want to see good football at the meadow and i don't think Quinn is going to bring that to us. He seem to want to play like the part-time teams and just long ball it alot. I would rather see more short passing looking for gaps to play to the forwards. I know rodgers would rather the ball played into space for him to run onto than to his feet or chest with his back to goal.
We could do with a left back granted, but i would rather have a set formation and nice football.
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Post by Immorick on Mar 17, 2004 12:06:22 GMT 1
In - without Aiston we have no width, I'd have prob gone with that formation last night and I'm a champ manager legend. I'm gutted and patience of fans is bein put to test agreed, give him a chance, as it stands we still have a shot.........never know we might find some form although finding Nessie looks more likely.
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Post by Bilbo on Mar 17, 2004 12:08:54 GMT 1
A lot of people on here backed ratcliffe here until it was too late! My fear if we don't start playing decent football and getting some sort of regularity with the team we are going to miss the playoffs (its a big possibility). So in other words we can't give Quinn much longer with shoddy performances or it will be to late!
As for Bates, well I don't think he could be any worse tacticaly wise than Quin, he's been there and done it before.
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Post by Exkeeper on Mar 17, 2004 12:17:16 GMT 1
Yeah, he's been there, and done it before, and his total ineptitude led to his departure, and the appointment of McNeil.
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Post by True_Shrew on Mar 17, 2004 12:27:43 GMT 1
For me he has got to the end of the season to sort this sad state of affairs out or myself along with a thousand others will be calling for his head.
If the team showed passion, ability and looked like they knew what they were doing I wouldn't mind so much, but last nights debicle proved how Quinny and some of the inept footballers he has brought in are quiet simply clueless.
The clock is ticking Quinny, get it sorted or get out.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 17, 2004 12:33:27 GMT 1
"I mean how many different team selections and tactics has he now employed? We are 7 months into the season and he is still tinkering and seemingly clueless as to our best side and formation."
Very good post from BelleVueShrew. This is the worry for me, simple as...
I do think we have a squad that’s capable of gaining promotion but I'd just wish Quinn would settle for 4-4-2, pick his best side available and keep with it...if and when injuries or suspensions force his hand then fair enough...but bring in players who are capable of playing in the position needed and keep the same formation and system together. I really do think he is over complicating things when there is absolutely no need to do so...why change the formation for last nights game?
I don't think the squad we have in place helps either, if everyone is fit and available then we we're not a bad side at this level...I think we have a team that is capable of beating anyone in the Conference. But why hasn't he ventured out and bought left sided players into the team, why do we not have a naturally left footed defender at left back or left midfield? Why do we not have players who can play wide who can replace Aiston when needed?
It's a strange feeling being fourth in the table and yet disappointed and a little disillusioned with how the seasons progressing...
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Post by LufbraSalop on Mar 17, 2004 12:38:26 GMT 1
This is totally unbelievable in my opinion.
Again this rubbish about how we trusted people last season and how they let us down comes out again. What the hell has that got to do with this season apart from what division we are in?
Would you consider sacking Claudio Ranieri at Chelsea because he’s got the biggest wage bill, probably the best man for man squad, and spent the most this season? Their not winning the league so do you think they should sack him? God no, it takes time to build a championship squad in any division, this aint champ man!
From what i gather we played it around very well in the first half and at least some of the second half, yet people are saying we are playing long ball. Yeah sack Quinny and bring in Ian Atkins, im sure we'll play like Brazil then!
I can absolutely understand the frustrations of everyone, i went to Chester and Stevenage and was very unhappy with both performances. But unless we find a Martin O'Neil or a Brian Clough (1 in a million) i dont see how you can logically EXPECT to put a champion side together in less than a year.
Chester spent allot last season and only got into the play offs, they failed to go up and their manager even slept with one of the players girl friends (always good for morale). Im sure many of you would have sacked him at the end of last season but look where they are now.
For me hes got till towards the end of next season to show real progress, both performance wise and in league position. If he doesn’t then fair enough, but to have a go now when most supporters said they would be satisfied with a playoff place at the start of the season is ridiculous.
Rant over
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Post by Stue_P on Mar 17, 2004 13:10:23 GMT 1
Most definatly yes! Quinn out!
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Post by dejavueshrew on Mar 17, 2004 13:23:11 GMT 1
got to wait til the end of the season now - didn't we say that about ratcliff!!!! i think if we get to the play-offs and at least compete even if we loose it will set us up to do a CHESTER next season!!! BUT WE MUST COMPETE AND SHOW MORE PASSION
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Post by NewpShrew on Mar 17, 2004 13:24:36 GMT 1
Sorry don't agree lufbra
Quinn does not seem to know what he is doing. We have no style of play no set formation and we play hoof football. 343 is the most stupid formation i have ever seen shrewsbury play, and hope we never do again.
Our football is rubbish and we are only 4th as the league we are in is poor.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 17, 2004 13:57:39 GMT 1
Yes Pilch but you are hardly going to get a realistic vote after we have just been dumped out of the cup against our local rivals- how about we see the same vote after a couple of wins Paul thats exactly what i intend doing the last poll i did of "quinn out" was after a win about a month ago
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Post by SurreyShrew on Mar 17, 2004 14:38:20 GMT 1
I can't believe what I am reading and I agree with LufbraShrew.
We are fourth in our division, not 14th or fourth from bottom. It's not Quinn's fault we are in the Conference, that was down to Ratcliffe.
He has been a success at Shrewsbury. You cannot accuse him of taking over a team which has been relegated and using the same plaers to get that success as he has brought in a lot of his own players. True, you could argue that we would have done this well under Ratcliffe and with the same old players but I don't think so.
Why do we start panicking when a result or two goes against us. The last thing we need is to change our manager again, especially when we would be getting rid of a good manager. We need some stability in the club and Quinn can provide this. look at the differences in clubs like Leeds (lots of managers) and Charlton (one manager).
He has to be given time to build a side. If you start sacking managers every year just because you don't like the result, the only logical outcome will be a new manager every year, or in five years time we will win the Premier League. And, without wishing to do Chic down, as he has been a great servant to the club, he hasn't been there and done it. As a manager he has lost more games than he has won (67 lost, 83 won).
Let's stop this before it becomes a witchhunt.
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Mar 17, 2004 14:40:52 GMT 1
I can't comment on his tactics, awareness etc, because I'm not a fan, However: Reading his diatribe in the Shropshire Star tonight I would be concerned, very concerned, if I was a Shrews fan!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 17, 2004 14:53:38 GMT 1
I can't comment on his tactics, awareness etc, because I'm not a fan, However: Reading his diatribe in the Shropshire Star tonight I would be concerned, very concerned, if I was a Shrews fan! Crazy stuff from Quinn. How were Shrewsbury the best side? The ball was in cotrol for most of the game.
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Post by Baafly on Mar 17, 2004 14:54:47 GMT 1
Lufbra and Surrey are talking sense.
Too many Salop fans had unrealistic expectations this season. They assumed we were going urinate over allcomers.
As soon as reality strikes home, they want blood.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 15:02:04 GMT 1
"They assumed we were going urinate over allcomers"
Maybe so, but I think that confidence was due to the squad that had been assembled. On paper we have a decent team, whilst on the pitch we don't.
We have put in 1 impressive performance all season, and the standard of football is appalling at times. No wonder people are getting angry.
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