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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Mar 17, 2004 16:02:29 GMT 1
Ok chaps and chapessess and those in frilly skirts who don't know. I think like most of you were are all pretty pieved about last night. For me losing last night was worse than relegation. I feared it, but never thought I would experience it. I'm not blind or stupid enough to believe, especially after last season, that by being positive, and getting behind the lads wont change things. BUT WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO!?!?!?!? We are supposed to be supporters, and our number 1 job is supposidly to support. We have an excellent chance of making the play offs, for the first time in our history. After last season that would be a fantatsic achievement. Yes with the squad we've got, the players of the quality of Cramb, Rodgers, O'Connor, we should on paper be walking this league. BUT WE ARENT! SO GET A GRIP, LIVE WITH IT, HAVE YOUR MOAN, MOVE ON! We have got to do our job, if the players dont do theres well its tuff. From now till the end of the season, lets make some noise, be postive, AND GET BEHNIND EM! The ASFC are in the stand Saturday. Lets have a few beers before the game, and get in voice. Some people will say I'm a hypocrite, and your probably right, but again, just like last season, what choice do we have? If were 3rd by luck, or because the Conference is awful, who cares, we have a chance to get out of this league. So come on everyone, please. Its awful, its not pretty,the refs are crap, but by mid May we could be back in the Football League. Let us make sure we have done our bit. Point fingers then at those on the pitch and dugout who didn't!!!! (God, I feel so much better for that!)
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 17, 2004 16:06:22 GMT 1
Agree in principal - but what stage would you say that the management team here no longer deserve your support
we lose heavey to Chester or Hereford,if we fail to make the playoffs, lose in the first round of the playoffs, lose in the finals or just keep playing crap football
The sad thing is some fans have given up alread on this team this year and who can blame them!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 16:08:15 GMT 1
I don't know what to think anymore Ade
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Post by dachshund1 on Mar 17, 2004 16:13:37 GMT 1
Come off it everyone, Quinn isn't a great manager, but so what, we're not in a great league. If we bumble along to the end of the season, stumble past Barnet in the semis, and then beat Hereford 2-1 in an end to end game evreyone will be delirious. Let's go! The next two months are among the most exciting we've had in years. I was the first to call for Ratcliffe to go, and got all the usual "give him a chance" stuff, from welshshrew and many others on the topica list. Now I'm the one sticking up for a new manager. He signed Tinno, he signed O'Connor, he re-signed Sammy, he kept Lukey, he presided over the 4-1 tonking of Hereford and many other wins. Who cares if we're out of England's least prestigious cup? Not me. Bring on the play-offs
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Mar 17, 2004 16:20:13 GMT 1
Jimmy Quinn should know what the fans think! Look at the support the team has had this season. I've said it on Jamo2's thread and I'll say it again. I'm SORRY to say it - and I'm hardly Mrs Knowledgable when it comes to Football- but I've some idea- and a bit of Common Sense-
It seems to me that Mick Moans has the right idea- I've heard him on the Radio, discussing apects of Telford's game that wasn't up to the mark- and he says "We'll work on that in training!"
That's just common sense, isn't it? You don't even need to be an expert to know that you work on aspects that are letting the team down.
So- what does JQ do? Keeps changing the formation and playing players out of position- and making bad choices about who to start off with.
He needs to listen to what the fans think- shape up or get out. We don't NEED this- we don't DESERVE it!
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Post by NewpShrew on Mar 17, 2004 16:22:09 GMT 1
Agree he has brought some good players to the town, But we look alful no style no formation.
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Post by dachshund1 on Mar 17, 2004 16:24:25 GMT 1
Yes there are problems, but get over it. We're in the play-offs, enjoy the ride. Do you want Rats back? Or Jake? Thought not.
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Post by BringBackAuzzie on Mar 17, 2004 16:26:53 GMT 1
All together now......who can say "burying your head in the sand"! This type of talk comes up very regularly on these boards and it always makes me laugh! For a start as you say "We are supposed to be supporters, and our number 1 job is supposidly to support". What about the players their number one job is surely to play! "We have got to do our job, if the players dont do theres well its tuff".........I believe that was the opinion last season and look what happened! It shouldn't be tuff, there should be consequences! Quinn in my opinion is Ratcliffe number 2. Talks the same, manages the same and has that annoying habit of playing players out of position. There are rasons why players choose to play in one position and not another. Ryan Lowe didn't become a winger because he can't cross, neither did street. Do they even attempt to practice set pieces in training because in the last 7/8 games i've seen we haven't cleared the first man with a free kick or a corner more than a handfull of times. Quinn if O'Connor can't take a free kick find someone who can!! THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE! His sgnings have been poor and the blame must be squarely laid at his door. Also some (nearly all) of the players must look at themselves. Public enemy number 1 should be Cramb. Apparently he is well regarded in the footballing world as a good player. If this is so he should be playing well. He isn't which shows a lack of passion for the club and lack of respect for the fans. If you don't want to play for us P**s off (Jemmo number 2) O'Connor is not the player he was, not his fault, he's played beyond his hears........so quinn why keep playing him. Use him off the bench to be more effective. Lowe.................lets not even go there. So ladies and gentlemen.......there is another option. Tell them how you feel. Cheering them on till the end will only result in the inevitable dissapointment that is churned out by Kevin/Jimmy Ratcliffe/Quinn every week. LETS NOT LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!!!!!!
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Post by GM on Mar 17, 2004 16:36:28 GMT 1
Agree with Revap
losing to Telford is the "pits of the earth" but in context we are a Conference Team playing a Conference team maybe it's great for Telford to beat us but playing them is hardly exciting is it.
The Footbal League is No1. to me I don't care how we do it- scrape wins play well or win in a play off penalty shoot out that will do.
Quinn is doing OK maybe some odd formations and a few players that are no better than the ones that have left maybe worse! He has to be given his due to the end of the season he always stated a playoff place as a minimum finish. Would any other manager have done better ? Anyway at least he is not picking himself?
I am convinced our players can do better - last year we leaked goals but scored quite a few at the moment we can hardly hit a barn door- this is the major problem to me.
We just seem to lack some consistent quality but maybe this is what being a conference team is all about.
If we can hit top form at towards the end of the season then you can't ask any more of the team.
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Mar 17, 2004 16:36:55 GMT 1
Absolutely!
We shouldn't let it happen again! I was also a "get off their backs!" person last year- O.K- no more Mrs Nice-Woman!
What are we going to do, lads and lasses- Petition? Demonstration?
You name it!
If things are allowed to continue without comment the expression "Deckchairs on the Titantic" springs to mind!" Any ideas what we at B&A could do?
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Post by dachshund1 on Mar 17, 2004 16:38:08 GMT 1
O'Connor was our best player last night. At the start of the season, how many of us would have said no to a comfortable play-off berth? 5%? No club has gone straight back up since half the conference went professional. It has never happened. So let's get real. Quinny needs to get some things sorted, but things could be a lot worse (Wilding and Peer in midfield, Gayle up front, davidson at the back? Am I the only one here that doesn't feel enitled to a team currently playing like AC Milan?)
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 17, 2004 16:41:35 GMT 1
We have to be more vocal with the Quinn sort it out chants - so he knows alls not well - and we are not upsetting the players like some suggest that chanting does (which is crap) - Even at 0-0 if we are playing bad!! Give him a mouthfull as he leaves the pitch like last night - i could not belive people clapped him off - i just dont get it i think wiggy that you like my brother and I was hurt a lot last night and (you the only other person besides me who said they wanted to cry when you think about it all) - you cant just sweep it under the carpet and pretend alls well - much as it might make you fell better inthe sort term last season was the leason that long term you hurt longer and harger later on!
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Post by BringBackAuzzie on Mar 17, 2004 16:42:46 GMT 1
So why do we play the tactics employed by a team like AC Milan. Cramb playing "in the hole"? Who the hell can get away with that in the conference? I say fill "the hole" in with him still in it!
Wing Backs?.....Get Real!
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 17, 2004 16:43:40 GMT 1
Some one else defending Quinn with a load of ifs and buts - wise up Gm its all far from OK
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Post by StrettonBlue on Mar 17, 2004 16:45:48 GMT 1
The Conference has only had more than half its teams 'professional' i think you mean full time, this season and it is only the second season that the division has had two up, one via the play-offs !!!!
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Post by dachshund1 on Mar 17, 2004 16:46:00 GMT 1
As I said in another thread, I feel that last nights tactics were rubbish, Darby and Rodgers should start in a 4-4-2. But this thread is getting unreal. we lost narrowly in a poor game that neither team dominated, in a competition that doesn't matter. I we win Sat and Tues, all will look different. Some poeple let the fact that we lost to Telford get to them too much, I feel. I don't hate Telford any more than Barnet, Stevenage etc, I just hate losing. But it happens. We will win again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 16:47:40 GMT 1
Saturdays and Tuesdays matches are at home, it's our away form that really worries me.
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Post by dachshund1 on Mar 17, 2004 16:50:15 GMT 1
I agree regarding the away form, I really do, but wholesale changes as the team approaches the play offs can't be the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 16:51:14 GMT 1
I agree, I don't think JQ should go, but it's very concerning.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 17, 2004 17:01:43 GMT 1
Your overlooking the point - it not just about last night - its been like that of and on all season and with no indication that its ever going to come right away from home - even more so!!!
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Post by dachshund1 on Mar 17, 2004 17:05:26 GMT 1
The point I was attempting to make is that although we have had big problems away from home all season, it takes a defeat in a nothing match at Telford to bring out all this vitriol. Nothing has changed in the last 24 hrs, yet all of a sudden Quinny is for the chop? Hmm.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 17, 2004 17:17:48 GMT 1
Well at least im consistant - i have had a gennerally negative view on here and at the match since the Daggers game - so i knew that eventullay that a major loss (eg telford, chester or HUFC) would bring this about, and many people have kept over the last few weeks but feel enough is enough It not even the results that are the worst thing its the style and fight of the team both sadly lacking
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Post by dachshund1 on Mar 17, 2004 17:24:21 GMT 1
Valid points. I think we would all agree that some didn't put in enough effort (Cramb), others seemed overawed (Edwards), but I for one will remain cautiously optimistic. At least Streety got stuck in for once, and Fitz's tackle was reminiscent of Aussie's "hard-man" phase.
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Mar 17, 2004 17:55:44 GMT 1
It's not a case of burying heads in the sand. I agree that we are just not doing it as a team, however what I'm saying we are in a situation where we can basically boo for 90 minutes or try and encourage. I don't think we have any other choice. If we were say in middle table right now, I would want Quin out straight away.
No, I'm not convinced by Quinn, even more so after last night, but like I say what other choice have we got? If anybody has any ideas please feel free.
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Post by Bridgnorthshrew on Mar 17, 2004 20:01:55 GMT 1
I've had an idea I've been thinking about since last December. Lets play bl**dy BANIM....now...please
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Post by scooter on Mar 17, 2004 20:12:41 GMT 1
Wing Backs?.....Get Real! Not a system I have been a big fan of (not since Ross Maclaren left anyway) but Conference success has gone to teams with 3 big centre halfs and wing backs before, and almost certainly will this year. If we are to play like that Sedge should be the 3rd defender with Mossy right wing back
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Post by d00bie on Mar 17, 2004 21:18:42 GMT 1
Saturdays and Tuesdays matches are at home, it's our away form that really worries me. Soooo, does that mean you won't be going to Hereford, Farnborough or Barnet then Ant?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 21:20:35 GMT 1
LOL
If I only went to game I thought we were going to win I'd have been to about 5 games since starting to follow the Town ;D
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Post by Blueshrew on Mar 17, 2004 21:22:40 GMT 1
and we would of only won half of them
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 17, 2004 22:23:50 GMT 1
Ok chaps and chapessess and those in frilly skirts who don't know. I think like most of you were are all pretty pieved about last night. For me losing last night was worse than relegation. I feared it, but never thought I would experience it. I'm not blind or stupid enough to believe, especially after last season, that by being positive, and getting behind the lads wont change things. BUT WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO!?!?!?!? We are supposed to be supporters, and our number 1 job is supposidly to support. We have an excellent chance of making the play offs, for the first time in our history. After last season that would be a fantatsic achievement. Yes with the squad we've got, the players of the quality of Cramb, Rodgers, O'Connor, we should on paper be walking this league. BUT WE ARENT! SO GET A GRIP, LIVE WITH IT, HAVE YOUR MOAN, MOVE ON! We have got to do our job, if the players dont do theres well its tuff. From now till the end of the season, lets make some noise, be postive, AND GET BEHNIND EM! The ASFC are in the stand Saturday. Lets have a few beers before the game, and get in voice. Some people will say I'm a hypocrite, and your probably right, but again, just like last season, what choice do we have? If were 3rd by luck, or because the Conference is awful, who cares, we have a chance to get out of this league. So come on everyone, please. Its awful, its not pretty,the refs are cr@p, but by mid May we could be back in the Football League. Let us make sure we have done our bit. Point fingers then at those on the pitch and dugout who didn't!!!! (God, I feel so much better for that!) Plim, I understand your sentiments, believe me I do, I admire them, but for crying out loud, this is EXACTLY what we were saying last year. "Let's sing up a little bit louder, get behind the lads, it will all work out ok." will it? I hope to God it does! and I will! But maybe, just maybe we should show the players and management the other side of the coin, they have let us down this season, they have shirked big games, they have bottled challenges and they have not shown pride in the shirt and in doing so have waved two fingers in the faces of the thousands of people who have supported them. Drawing at Forest Green? Losing to Telford? How can I support that? How can I cheer that on? I want to shoot someone not give them an extra gung ho cheer. They haven't responded to us for the first two thirds of the season so why will they give a toss now? They aren't playing for us, they aren't playing for our club, they aren't playing for the shirt, they aren't playing for the manager and they don't even seem to have the self respect to be playing for themselves! As you can see I really am hurt as it dawns on me that once again we are heading up the garden path and dreaming of success when the vital signs are looking pretty edgy at best Play off semi finals include a home and away leg. Whoever we play we will bottle the away leg. We're in trouble and it hurts.
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