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Post by NickO on Dec 26, 2004 20:33:19 GMT 1
Morpheus. You are of course entilted to your view just one point though. If the coach hadn't been stuck in traffic and we had come away with a result, would you have posted the same seeing as the travel arrangements were already in place?
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Post by morpheus on Dec 26, 2004 20:42:46 GMT 1
Morpheus. You are of course entilted to your view just one point though. If the coach hadn't been stuck in traffic and we had come away with a result, would you have posted the same seeing as the travel arrangements were already in place? What would be the point of the post had that been the case??? silly The travel arangements are somthing that do my sweede in anyway and an event such as this outlines my reasons, that they shouild meet at the meadow
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Post by DiggerDave on Dec 26, 2004 20:46:55 GMT 1
we went to the m6 ,saw it was closed then went up a junction ,saw that was closed and then followed trhe road into manchester A34 followed the M60 anti clock and arrived at 2-40pm
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Post by NickO on Dec 26, 2004 20:47:52 GMT 1
The travel arangements are somthing that do my sweede in anyway and an event such as this outlines my reasons, that they shouild meet at the meadow So you would have posted "Great result to day blah, blah. Tell you what though those travel arrangements!"
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Post by morpheus on Dec 26, 2004 20:52:29 GMT 1
no possibly not ,had the game kicked of on time, but it didnt, not at all,............ and i am making the point of a moan about the travel arrangements,..................if we were in the prem this also would not be a concern of mine just incase you go down that route
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Post by NickO on Dec 26, 2004 21:01:13 GMT 1
I'm not going the route the team coach took TBH just thought you were being a bit harsh with your first post. We don't know what really happened yet so lets just see.
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Post by Parker on Dec 26, 2004 21:48:21 GMT 1
Does any one know what coach company the twon use for the team, cos it strikes me that instead of having a go at the club and the players perhaps we should be having a go at the fliping useless piece if that was driving th coach.
Perhaps we should consider using a different company in future, one with decent communication and sat nav?
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2004 22:00:09 GMT 1
Does any one know what coach company the twon use for the team, cos it strikes me that instead of having a go at the club and the players perhaps we should be having a go at the fliping useless piece if that was driving th coach. Perhaps we should consider using a different company in future, one with decent communication and sat nav? sat nav thats the gadget thingy i was on about
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2004 22:00:48 GMT 1
Just got back about 5mins ago, so this is gonna be pretty scathing, sorry. To use an example: my local pub team arranges its away games as follows -If you can drive to the game, you drive. -If not you go to the pub and get picked up YOU DON'T RUN A F**KING BUS SERVICE! This is what happens when team members live outside of Shrewsbury and indeed Shropshire! If they want to play for STFC they should be made to relocate to Shrewsbury just like in the 'good old days' under Turner when most of the squad lived in Shrewsbury. We had 5 players and a manager(!) at Gigg Lane if just 2 more players had turned up we would have been forced to play with 7 players Again if no other reason than to maintain team morale staff, directors and players should travel to away games together. The travel arrangements surely have to be addressed after this because calling a game off because a team coach had to go out of its way to pickup people is just not on! Still at least we did'nt have to go Carlisle today PHEW!
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Post by Parker on Dec 26, 2004 22:07:25 GMT 1
I reckon that todays events have shown Mr Peters that there is not just the performances on the pitch to sort out. We need also to look at players home locations. Away travel arrangements. Find a decent bloody coach company. Get the team travelling together. Invest in a transferable sat nav system eh Pilch?
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Post by schizo not logged in on Dec 26, 2004 22:22:09 GMT 1
We left Telford at 11.40am, we got onto the M6 at Gailey at 12pm, we found out J16-J17 was closed at Stafford and got off at Junction 15 at 12.30pm, we made a slow diversion thru Stoke and Alsager and got back onto J17 of the M6 at 1.40pm where the motorway was virtually clear after that, we got to Bury for 2.20pm, I guess the coach was caught not far behind the accident to get stuck at Keele for 3 hours??!!? Bury is a bloody long way just to go for two pints and a burger
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Dec 26, 2004 22:27:01 GMT 1
could have been worse - you could have left your lights on then had to wait till 5.20 PM to get a jump start had a nighmare - if it was not for company today i would have gone mad in bury
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Post by tom_leather on Dec 26, 2004 22:40:51 GMT 1
you think these are bad travel arrnagements - a couple of seasons ago i was 'helping' in the changing rooms for TNS away at CAERNARFON, and we left Treflan (llansantffraid) with maybe 4/5 players on board, and one member of coaching staff. we then went to Oswetsry to pick one up, and then to CHESTER to pick the rest up, then go all around Wales to go to Caernarfon, and repeat it on the way back.
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Post by ianwhit on Dec 26, 2004 22:54:17 GMT 1
This is what happens when team members live outside of Shrewsbury and indeed Shropshire! If they want to play for STFC they should be made to relocate to Shrewsbury just like in the 'good old days' under Turner when most of the squad lived in Shrewsbury. problem with shrewsbury is location, it's at the end of the m54 not near to anywhere. so a player in crewe/liverpool/manchester should travel from their homes to shrewsbury, join the coach and then travel to a game? everyone live in shrewsbury like the good old days - you sign a player on a 1-year contract and stipulate that they have to live in town? shrewsbury isn't a cheap place to live and would you uproute your family to move to a place you may only be there for a year? i forgot to say, trev was on the coach with scott.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Dec 26, 2004 22:56:10 GMT 1
Can't they stay with you Ian at your place
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 26, 2004 22:57:17 GMT 1
just like the recent race to the police station between Bill Wingrove and the Staffs Constabulary I do not want our football club involved in this sort of shambles.
It looks (and is) amateurish.
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Post by Tezza Fanolua on Dec 26, 2004 22:59:48 GMT 1
The fact is that .... he says you thought that I said that she heard that they saw us but they denied ...... all these rumours!!!!!!
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Post by ianwhit on Dec 26, 2004 23:03:00 GMT 1
Can't they stay with you Ian at your place don't think they'd get on with trace, and all the boxes are taking up the space...
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Dec 26, 2004 23:05:21 GMT 1
Fact......i was out my car standing around moving nowhere talking to Derby fans who probably made Preston for the second half along with a coach of man u fans from North Devon there first game of the season who probably only made the second half also
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Dec 26, 2004 23:05:37 GMT 1
I can understand people's frustration.. BUT... there are people in hospital tonight with serious injuries Man U, Bristol C, Derby and many other fans never got to their respective matches Town to Bury 1- Wrexham Chester then M56 2 A49 then M56 3 - Mk Drayton, M6 (picking up Street, Walton and Tinno en route) ... what would have happened if Town had of been in the 16 car pile up 10 mins earlier..? Town bus had PASSED J15 and therefore were trapped and could not move just read this news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/4125935.stm..or blame the bus driver, blame the club for not getting the players down to salop then driving them via wrexham and chester which is the way I would go but infact the M6 is the most direct and shortest mileage there was NO radio reports, - only of lots of traffic on the opposite side of the carriageway.... just been speaking to people on the players bus. The ref was willing to wait until 5pm. The coach was literally minutes away from the accident thus stuck in the middle of the traffic jam and could not have moved
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Dec 26, 2004 23:07:04 GMT 1
don't think they'd get on with trace, and all the boxes are taking up the space... About time you got rid of those boxes full of glossy mags
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2004 23:47:08 GMT 1
people........bollox the lot of it, stuck in traffic...s**t happens......STFC, still professional, STFC should recieve no criticisum over this unfortunate incident..........await date of re-match...
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Post by vhungaryshrew on Dec 27, 2004 1:29:45 GMT 1
Example - Last wednesday I had to go to Carrington in Manchester. Usually I would go up the A49 blah blah, but on this occassion I had to pick up a collegue from Telford and then Longbridge in Brum. By the time I left Telford it was 0700 We left brum at 0855 We travelled up the M6 through keele services and it is'nt the best road at the best of times stop, starting all the time, but we got there at about 1030 (2.5 hours). I guess the coach driver also knows from experience that this section of the M6 is like this, so when they got stuck in traffic it probably was of no suprise. What I'm trying to get at is team has left plenty of time under normal circumstances to get to their destination, the coach driver probably expected to get stuck in some traffic on this section of the M6 so probably thought nothing of it until it was to late. Also after doing this run I was knackered so expecting players from stoke etc to get on the road an extra hour is a bit harsh, as I would expect If you stayed in stoke and a collegue told you had to come to Shrewsbury and then travel up to Manchester you would question if that was neccassary, and would ask if you could be picked up on the way. I know I would. Also in the past I've seen and heard of different premiership players being dropped of at service stations. So I'm guessing this is probably common procedure through out the football league. This is just a very unfortunate incident that you may not hear of again but accidents do happen and you do sometimes get caught in them and unfortunatly it was STFC today. feelings go out to the people in the accident. Sorry to go on a bit but I needed to get my point through.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2004 1:45:54 GMT 1
problem with shrewsbury is location, it's at the end of the m54 not near to anywhere. so a player in crewe/liverpool/manchester should travel from their homes to shrewsbury, join the coach and then travel to a game? everyone live in shrewsbury like the good old days - you sign a player on a 1-year contract and stipulate that they have to live in town? shrewsbury isn't a cheap place to live and would you uproute your family to move to a place you may only be there for a year? i forgot to say, trev was on the coach with scott. No Ian, I agree fully with that. The crap Trevor took over that was out of order I feel, but on the flip side, he is now saying (in the excellent official programme ) that the commuting is affecting his performances. But to ask players to either be at Gay Meadow for 10:30 or to be at Bury by mid-day if it made sense (as it did for quite a few) seems entirely reasonable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2004 1:48:10 GMT 1
I can understand people's frustration.. BUT... there are people in hospital tonight with serious injuries Man U, Bristol C, Derby and many other fans never got to their respective matches Town to Bury 1- Wrexham Chester then M56 2 A49 then M56 3 - Mk Drayton, M6 (picking up Street, Walton and Tinno en route) ... what would have happened if Town had of been in the 16 car pile up 10 mins earlier..? Town bus had PASSED J15 and therefore were trapped and could not move just read this news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/4125935.stm..or blame the bus driver, blame the club for not getting the players down to salop then driving them via wrexham and chester which is the way I would go but infact the M6 is the most direct and shortest mileage there was NO radio reports, - only of lots of traffic on the opposite side of the carriageway.... just been speaking to people on the players bus. The ref was willing to wait until 5pm. The coach was literally minutes away from the accident thus stuck in the middle of the traffic jam and could not have moved We heard the radio reports around 11.20am as we scanned every radio station trying to get news of the game being on / traffic on route. But then we take things seriously.
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Post by ianwhit on Dec 27, 2004 1:51:47 GMT 1
We heard the radio reports around 11.20am as we scanned every radio station trying to get news of the game being on / traffic on route. but that would have been around the time the coach had got between 15-16?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2004 1:54:15 GMT 1
Ok - cool No points against the driver for failing to take a different route. Just huge question marks on why we took the M6 in the first place for the sake of Kevin Street and Dave Walton......
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Post by ianwhit on Dec 27, 2004 1:55:40 GMT 1
Just huge question marks on why we took the M6 in the first place for the sake of Kevin Street and Dave Walton...... dave walton was in the starting line-up... streety probably wanted to go to support the lads, team unity and all that jazz people keep asking for?
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Dec 27, 2004 1:56:44 GMT 1
Dont you understand common sense and English or do you want it writing in another language..?? The team bus was only a matter of minutes away from a 16 car pile up in which people are now on deaths door in staffordshire hospitals The team bus was 'trapped' as it had passed the previous junction and had no where to go Once they heard about the crash on the radio, they phoned Bury FC and as time went on the Football League got involved well done for getting to Bury - but what if YOU Had of been stuck on the route that YOU took and the coach had gone a different way and you missed the now infamous 12-0 Boxing Day drubbing at Gigg Lane.. ? You are angry and frustrated. OK so would I.... but you are supposed to be a Town fan and behind the team. What the hell is all this about..?!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2004 2:00:49 GMT 1
Dont you understand common sense and English or do you want it writing in another language..?? You are angry and frustrated. OK so would I.... but you are supposed to be a Town fan and behind the team. My point of view Matt, which I am fully entitled to, is that I do not believe the coach should have been heading up the M6 on Boxing Day, in snow for the sake of Dave Walton. 'Supposed to be a Town fan?'. Feck off.
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