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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 11:35:04 GMT 1
when we were relegated the board promised reduced prices for lesser games such as the trophy,we have never had this promise fulfilled.one director exscused this by saying that they had to say the right things to keep fans happy. local firms had their advertising boards covered up for the chelsea match and were asked for more money to avoid this.prices for sponsorship were also greatly increased for these games.mike thomas was the only person from the club to explain this to sponsors and the club have repaid him by releasing him from his duties. Point 1 - The board screwed us over, and it was disgraceful that they did so. Point 2 - Are you aware of the detail about the sponsorship signs that firms buy at the Meadow i.e. if they cover Cup/TV games? PS Mike Thomas was over retirement age.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 11:39:49 GMT 1
Fair play it always amazes me how many whingers there are - but how few of them are 'doers'.
I guess it's a lot easier to moan at something rather than try to do something about and fail trying. The New Meadow IS going to happen, it's up to us now to get the most out of the move.
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Post by mattsnapper NLI on Dec 6, 2004 12:18:19 GMT 1
RE: local firms had their advertising boards covered up for the chelsea match and were asked for more money to avoid this.prices for sponsorship were also greatly increased for these games.mike thomas was the only person from the club to explain this to sponsors and the club have repaid him by releasing him from his duties. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- i have no problem arguing with the likes of jamo as his criteria is sound and its just his opinion of things I have problems with !! but seriously how can u say such crap mr guest about the cheslea boards without knowing the facts..? log in properly and pm me as it was me who got the advertising agency who i work with in my day to day job. No one at shrewsbury town saw the potential to earn extra revenue so I got them in and earnt the club an extra £90,000+ There was only about 3 people who knew about this before, but negative gossps like you do my bloody head in mike thomas did the explaining as it is his job and NO ONE complained and they are releasing him because he is retiring you dumb bunny
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Post by robertos on Dec 6, 2004 12:21:24 GMT 1
to be fair to the club unlike other clubs they didnt change their sponsership to Sun for the day or do a Kidderminster (as happens)
In order tto compromise hey raised the sponsership, aso what???
most of the companies that sponser us are local companies who do not need to appeal to sacotland, overseas or even people in Darlington
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 12:37:52 GMT 1
It may also encourage a better standard of player to come to us. We have a good manager (now) and if we can get to a decent position, the chances of getting better quality players when you have better facilities is improved. I don't want to leave the meadow, but it is pretty important that a team has somewhere to play. As for people saying they like to have something to eat before the match and do some shopping, do that and then get the bus. A 15 minute journey is not a chore. They have to make sure there are plenty of buses for all 10,000 of the fans Where will the bus pick up from? How much will it cost? Will there be more than one bus? What happens if there is conjestion and the bus is running late? What happens on the journey home when hundreds of people will be rushing out of the ground wanting to catch the bus? Does anyone have answers to these questions. It's best to ask now rather than to say nothing and then get a crap service 12 months down the line.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 12:40:34 GMT 1
Where will the bus pick up from? How much will it cost? Will there be more than one bus? What happens if there is conjestion and the bus is running late? What happens on the journey home when hundreds of people will be rushing out of the ground wanting to catch the bus? Does anyone have answers to these questions. It's best to ask now rather than to say nothing and then get a cr@p service 12 months down the line. I'd imagine the services will run like those do at clubs like Hull and Oxford. Regular services from the town/ city centre before the match and plenty of buses waiting to take people back straight after the game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 12:45:07 GMT 1
Good idea to ask the questions now though Craig - maybe send in to the asktheboard feature on ShrewsWeb?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 6, 2004 12:45:56 GMT 1
There is a good bit of grass verge up by Banks' house if you are running late
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 12:46:28 GMT 1
I'll be keeping my fingers crossed Ant. Has this service been properly looked into by the club does anyone know? I'm wondering whereabouts the buses are likely to be dropping off / picking up.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 6, 2004 12:47:35 GMT 1
it is park and ride from Shirehall
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Dec 6, 2004 12:49:03 GMT 1
it is park and ride from Shirehall For small games (3500 or less) yes but for large games and sell out there will be several park and ride sites around Shrewsbury
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Post by McKie on Dec 6, 2004 12:51:25 GMT 1
Where will the bus pick up from? How much will it cost? Will there be more than one bus? What happens if there is conjestion and the bus is running late? What happens on the journey home when hundreds of people will be rushing out of the ground wanting to catch the bus? Does anyone have answers to these questions. It's best to ask now rather than to say nothing and then get a cr@p service 12 months down the line. I have no doubt it will be ballsed up, but here's hoping for a well run service with plenty of buses.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 12:52:05 GMT 1
Shirehall? A nice easy walk back to the train station then
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 12:54:27 GMT 1
A bus that picked up at the Train Station co-inciding with trains from Aberystwyth and Birmingham could be an idea?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Dec 6, 2004 13:00:31 GMT 1
I very much doubt that Shrewsbury Town football club will perate these services As this is my "so called" area of expertise, they will have to a) find a bus operator who will take the service on b) tell the operator what they want c) wait for the operator to tell them what they can have on a economically viable service There is no way a Bus operator will take this service on at a loss and i very much doubt the club will either - so unless theres some funding from somewhere im sure how this is going to work? Sadley the only way i can see it working is - It costs a lot to use (and i mean a lot) - The bus goes via a number of other stops to make it a viable service rather than i direct one I agree some feedback on this issue (proabley the 3rd most important thing about the new ground after supporters bar and car parking)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 13:03:28 GMT 1
For me, the most sensible option would be intergrating it with the Meole Brace park and ride service - this would be the ideal route, stopping at several points from the station to points along the bridge by the current meadow site, finishing up at the Meole Brace site.
Judging by how many people use these services at Oxford, Hull, Wycombe etc I'm sure this would be profitable to a bus company.
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Post by scooter on Dec 6, 2004 13:04:43 GMT 1
I do not want to be associated with some of the comments on this thread, particularly those from anonymous guests about unrelated matters (ticket prices, sponsorship income)
BUT I do have (long standing) reservations about the New Meadow, in particular the location, the access/exit, car parking and on site facilities.
This should be a grat new start, but I never been convinced it will work out like that
For me it is too far from anything else to be a part of the community, it will still be a place I go every 2 weeks for approx 2 hours.
I can't believe we are building along side the by-pass without any access/egress to it. One way in and out, and close to a large and very busy traffic island seems like a recipe for traffic chaos.
If the car park is going to get filled up early, that will add to the chaos as people will not know where to go if they can't go up the one road in. If they start parking on verges, there will be complaints.
We are already hearing that facilities for the ordinary fan are not what we expected. This again means people going elsewhere and all arriving late.
How many posters on here use a bus regularly ? I know I don't and I dont expect many others do, or want to. I certainly don't intend to drive through Meole to get to the Shirehall and then get a bus back.
The Club needs to let us know what it intends, and then listen to any comments/suggestions we might have. I won't be holding my breath.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 13:43:51 GMT 1
I must say he's bang on with all 5 points-The NM will not be a stadium of light replica I can almost guarntee that it will be a soleless copy of the DEVA with seats-match day atmospheres will die. What other team has an all seater stadium in this division? Notts 'one song' county & Darlo who want to move back to Feethams! Allow me to ellaborate: 1. I love the meadow I have many found memories and I feel that this move will not benefit the club. It will kill atmosphere especially if/when we get relegated to the conference again (1,800 in an 10,000 Stadium to watch a Tues night game against Leigh RMI! YIPPEE!!!). The Meadow IS Shrewsbury. ITS UNIQUE if we move to some soleless bland areana that is no different to Chester, Sc***horp etc we will loose a part of the club. Also Chester et all will probably have better atmospheres at there grounds as they have terracing-we however can't afford terracing (YEAH RIGHT-you have to build terracing anyway to put the seats in-that argument simply doesn't wash). 2. Facilities-Shrewsbury is not a business town most offices in town are up for lease. Shrewsbury is a service industry based town (retail etc) It has only a handful of small offices and very few of these businesses will want to use the NM for conferences as most small business conduct there meeting in-house anyway. Also the NM will probably have facilities similar to those we have at the momment, don'y believe me looked at the projected short building time, corners will be cut-its gonna be VERY VERY BASIC! 3. POST EDITED DUE TO COMMENTS BEING LIBELLOUS I feel that anyone who dares to critise the move is automatically anti-STFC. I love this club I have supported this club since I was 12 and will support the club until the day I die, I simply feel that the move will be an error-what if we go down (again) I pray we don't but it could happen. What then? A 10,000 seater stadium in the conference (OR BELOW!) gates would fall whereas the high maintaince costs of an all-seated stadium (painting & repairing seats etc) would surely cripple the club. It happened before-Ambition can kill a club.
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Post by petetheloon on Dec 6, 2004 13:44:16 GMT 1
I would just like to add a serious point with regards to the parking issue. and that is that I really couldn't give a fecking monkeys what so ever, as its only down the road from me and I may as well walk it!!!
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Post by McKie on Dec 6, 2004 13:45:13 GMT 1
I very much doubt that Shrewsbury Town football club will perate these services As this is my "so called" area of expertise, they will have to a) find a bus operator who will take the service on b) tell the operator what they want c) wait for the operator to tell them what they can have on a economically viable service There is no way a Bus operator will take this service on at a loss and i very much doubt the club will either - so unless theres some funding from somewhere im sure how this is going to work? Sadley the only way i can see it working is - It costs a lot to use (and i mean a lot) - The bus goes via a number of other stops to make it a viable service rather than i direct one I agree some feedback on this issue (proabley the 3rd most important thing about the new ground after supporters bar and car parking) I am sure SABC will give their full support. They have been with us this far, why would they change now. On a side note, I had a bizarre dream last night (which convinced me that I have spent too much time on this board) that Albie Fox created a rival team based in Bayston Hill with the intention of doing an AFC Wimbledon. I don't even know what he looks like, but in my dream he was a weasely small man with whispy hair.
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Post by Dan F on Dec 6, 2004 13:45:36 GMT 1
Some brilliant points Scooter and Taffy, and fair play for not hiding behind aliases
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 13:51:05 GMT 1
"3. Greed-thanks to moving admission prices will rise no matter what league were in. More money for 'uncle Ronald' who will no doubt try to raise even more cash through a serise of 'special' eveants to coincide with moving-buy a brick, selling bits of the Meadow etc. I feel that is a major reason why Ronald has been hell-bent on getting the NM so he can line his own pockets."
What a complete and utter load of b******s.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 13:58:08 GMT 1
Brilliant points Scooter and Taffy, and fair play for not hiding behind aliases 'TAFFY' aka Richard James Price Born: Hereford General Hospital May 21st 1984 Lives: Tenbury Wells, Worcestershire (45 Miles from Shrewsbury) Riverside season ticket holder for 8 years Last home game missed: Crewe AWS 2003-due to family illness Good enough for you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 14:00:12 GMT 1
Not entirely sure Taffy's are 'brilliant' points.
Scooter raises a stack of questions about what is going to happen when we move there (and which I share his concerns about), Taffy suggests that Roland will continue to make a stack of money from STFC and that we are likely to go under due to the high costs of plastic seats and dulux.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Dec 6, 2004 14:00:52 GMT 1
'TAFFY' aka Richard James Price Born: Hereford General Hospital May 21st 1984 Lives: Tenbury Wells, Worcestershire (45 Miles from Shrewsbury) Riverside season ticket holder for 8 years Last home game missed: Crewe AWS 2003-due to family illness Good enough for you? Yikes another Price And this one was born in Hereford!!! Your in trouble now
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 6, 2004 14:09:32 GMT 1
Taffy's post is libellous in terms of defamation of character against our chairman
AND despite a full and public statement made by our board this month which answers his accusation
You have five minutes to edit it
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 6, 2004 14:11:35 GMT 1
It is like Bournemouth, not the Deva
The Deva is nearly half the size of the New Meadow
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 14:12:30 GMT 1
Taffy's post is libellous in terms of defamation of character against our chairman AND despite a full and public statement made by our board this month which answers his accusation You have five minutes to edit it I have many issues with the club but when people come out with such s**t it really makes my blood boil.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 6, 2004 14:14:23 GMT 1
this is a place for open and honest debate
Parking and other issues are massively important
retelling SARA lies on here is unhelpful, in some cases illegal, AND obviously shows he has paid no attention tot he Shropshire Star or Shrewsweb in the last month.
Uninformed accusations are of little benefit to anyone
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2004 14:17:43 GMT 1
I think what a lot of people are ignoring is that THE MOVE IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
Arguing against the move is fruitless - and I really see no point whatsoever in why people, 8 years after the plans were originally hatched, are saying it shouldn't go ahead now - because it is set in stone.
Raising concerns about the move however, in my opinion, is a different issue. Scooter's post for example along with Craig's regarding buses to the NM from the town centre etc pose thoughts and questions which need to be thought about.
There are many things which can be changed before we move to the NM, it is essential as fans that we do our uttermost in making our opinions heard and making the most out of the move to the New Meadow.
There are numerous opportunities to get involved with supporters groups and to get your opinions heard.
Get along to supporters meetings on the subject and make yourself heard - be a doer and not just a moaner.
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