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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2004 14:00:43 GMT 1
that we are back in the league - according to today's SStar- good on him- even football managers are human beings and I think he showed a lot of dignity in the way he handled his resignation-
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Post by Riversevern on May 19, 2004 14:11:28 GMT 1
He had no other choice than to resign. Either he stayed and recieved flack from the fans or got the sack which was going to happen if he didnt go. It is a huge chip of his shoulder that the two clubs which he was responsible for sending down get back up. He made two stupid mistakes in not replacing heathcote and bringing in too many has beens. He will never be forgiven for what he did to this football club!
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 19, 2004 14:12:36 GMT 1
No credit - and no bugger will give him a job now - whats that tell you - a bad manager and a part of the history of this club i want to forget forever!!!!!!!
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Post by Riversevern on May 19, 2004 14:15:22 GMT 1
He should stick to his radio wales job, he seems to no what he is talking about.
But dont let him talk about defending.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on May 19, 2004 14:22:00 GMT 1
so pricey...
didnt he re-ignite the team to save them from relegation v exeter..? our football under jake was tosh
we were only one game away from play-offs but lost to luton
we defeated everton, played well against chelsea and earnt the club 300k which basically financed this years promotion
so if quinny sends us down this year will he be hated as much as KR?
im resiging from DDAS.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 19, 2004 14:25:14 GMT 1
I dont know - but i went to every game last year H/A and left me bitter and twisted - thats my only defence Matt Mabey in a few years i can look back and say well it was not that bad but my memory still haunts me with performaces like Rushden, Boston ect ect that i cant forget yet
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Post by Riversevern on May 19, 2004 14:28:49 GMT 1
He ended fifty years of league football. I have never felt hurt so much.
Jake had created a team spirit and that is what kept us up that season.
His football was tosh because he didnt have the money to bring decent players in.!
Ratcliffe had no team spirit and the 02/03 team was e
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2004 14:30:37 GMT 1
The football played under Ratcliffe was attractve and exciting.
He was responsible for one of the club's greatest ever victories against Everton in the FA Cup.
However he was tactically naive, didn't know how to sort a defence out and generally played players out of position. Hence he will be remembered correctly for one of the worst managers we've ever had
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Post by matt on May 19, 2004 14:32:01 GMT 1
yes, give him his dues for the seasons previous to last season, but for me the big thing is that the second half of last season it all seemed so obvious that he (a world class defender) didn't have a clue defensivly. he lost the plot and had absolutely no idea how to recover, bad loan signings, bad tactict...what happened? it was so painful to watch. i honestly believe if he'd replaced heathcote with an expereinced central defender to partner artell or redmile (or never released tretton in the summer) we would not have been relegated.
as an aside earlier this season i was thinking how good a team would we have had this season if ratcliff had been in charge of midfield/attack and quinn of our defence!? its an interesting question. we had no problem scoring goals last season in my opinion but were catastrophically bad at the back. look at the highlights, see how many goals we conceeded from corners/crosses!
personally i feel pity rather than contempt for mr ratcliffe.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2004 14:32:23 GMT 1
"im resiging from DDAS. "
Is that a joke or are you really that childish?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2004 14:33:06 GMT 1
He had no other choice than to resign. Rubbish. He could have not resigned, been sacked, and taken a big pay-off from the club.
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Post by jamo on May 19, 2004 14:33:12 GMT 1
so pricey... didnt he re-ignite the team to save them from relegation v exeter..? our football under jake was tosh we were only one game away from play-offs but lost to luton we defeated everton, played well against chelsea and earnt the club 300k which basically financed this years promotion so if quinny sends us down this year will he be hated as much as KR? im resiging from DDAS. How many times Mattsnapper2 ?
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Post by dachs on May 19, 2004 14:33:23 GMT 1
so pricey... didnt he re-ignite the team to save them from relegation v exeter..? our football under jake was tosh Under Rats it was far worse. He didn't take over the day of the Exeter game you know, he carefully guided us to the bottom and almost succeeded in keeping us there. I wanted him out there and then, the only time I have ever advocated a town boss getting the push. I stood by Fred, I stood by Jake, at one point this season mine was the ONLY no vote on a 'Quinn out?' poll. But Ratcliffe was diabolical.
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Post by petetheloon on May 19, 2004 14:37:30 GMT 1
I agree with matsnappers statements.
He did do a good job if the final season is discounted.
He just made some extremely poor decisions when the ITV digital money forced a cull of the squad. But i still have some fantastic memories from the FA cup and LDV that year.
So what has Ratcliffe done for us?
-2 good cup runs have given us pleanty of money
-he may have relegated us to the conference, but we were all of a sudden a big club , and was able to attract players we previously wouldn't have. Due to our going nowhere in division 3 status which clubs like orient, southend and rochdale still have, we would not have attracted players who want a chance at a medal.
-he also had the dignity to resign and not wait to be sacked for a pay off. saving the club a lot of money.
It does seem strange but if it wasn't for Ratcliffe messing up then we would never be in the fantastic position we are in now, and seriously looking at division 2.
Its better than bumming around mid table division 3 like we used to
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Post by jamo on May 19, 2004 14:44:36 GMT 1
I agree with matsnappers statements. He did do a good job if the final season is discounted. How the hell can you discount the final season ? Thats the time we got bloody relegated !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2004 14:51:00 GMT 1
How the hell can you discount the final season ? Thats the time we got bloody relegated !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd love to know, because Redmile gets so much stick for being a crap player but he was actually decent if you forget his last season ;D
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Post by petetheloon on May 19, 2004 14:58:45 GMT 1
But in the seasons before that he managed to dodge relagation, then get us to finish mid table the push for promotion.
It looked like he was a good manager up until then and the club was going forwards.
The ITV digital thing hit a lot of clubs hard and he made some very poor decisions.
But the big question is was last season worth it?
we have a better squad, more money and have won a trophy. The club is on the up.
or would you prefer to have been buggering about in mid table division 3 like we had been for years?
My point is looking back I think the relegation was worth it as we have come back stronger
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 19, 2004 15:02:11 GMT 1
Have to say Pete that one of my mates said that to me yesterday, mentioned that it's better to have the momentum that a promoted team has than if we had finished, say, fifth from bottom in the third last season...only time will tell I guess but you make a very good point there our kid...
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2004 15:09:27 GMT 1
"My point is looking back I think the relegation was worth it as we have come back stronger "
Only time will tell if you are right. We will need to make a few signings this season if we are to become a successful Division 3 side.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 19, 2004 15:17:06 GMT 1
Have to say Pete that one of my mates said that to me yesterday, mentioned that it's better to have the momentum that a promoted team has than if we had finished, say, fifth from bottom in the third last season...only time will tell I guess but you make a very good point there our kid... But infairness Ratcliffe did not have a masterplan to get relegated then sacked all for the benifit of this Football club
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Post by russ davies on May 19, 2004 15:28:33 GMT 1
The writing was on the wall for Ratcliffe for a long time before we went down but the euphoria of the Everton and Chelsea games meant that nothing was done to stop the rot before it was too late . Remember 15 games without a win , including 8 straight defeats at the end of the season - for that I can't forgive Ratcliffe . But we are undoubtedly now a better team with a better manager and hopefully a winning attitude . That has happened because of Ratcliffe's failings . He shouldn't be given credit for that . His opinion of the Town's promotion is irrelevant . What else was he going to say - that he was disappointed because we now have a decent manager and more importantly a squad of players who actually care about the Club ? Knowing you are a winner is a priceless attribute in football - our team now have that knowledge and I think will use it next season - Div 2 here we come !!
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Post by TerrySTFC on May 19, 2004 16:23:20 GMT 1
I still think he was better than King, who would have ended 50 years of league football had he been given the chance. The problem last season was the fans didn't get on his back quick enough and get him sacked, How come people were so much quicker to slag of Quinn?
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Post by grinfish on May 19, 2004 16:30:32 GMT 1
The problem last season was the fans didn't get on his back quick enough and get him sacked, How come people were so much quicker to slag of Quinn? People learned from their mistakes
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Post by LufbraSalop offline on May 19, 2004 16:51:04 GMT 1
I think half the dissatisfaction of Quinn this season came because of Ratcliffe. Not only were people constantly harping on about 'not letting it happen again' (which we all now know was garbage), but the football we played under Ratcliffe, even during the run in last season wasn’t bad going forward.
Supporters naturally assumed that if we got a half decent defence, we would win the league with the kind of attacking play seen previously. Unfortunately that play disappeared after a month and disillusionment followed.
All my best memories of Shrewsbury Town (not including the last fortnight or the Hereford game) were during the Ratcliffe era.
And don’t say Jake didn’t have the money cos he did, how much did we spend on Lee Steele?! something like 40-50 grand i think. Ratcliffe understood the need to attract a smaller amount of better player rather than a large squad of average/poor players (like under Jake). In my opinion Jake was the worst manager this club has ever had, but he’s a ledge and I think he'd make a terrific first team coach.
During the bad times this season I was a full supporter of Quinn and always voted no on the sacking polls. However I still cant believe that so many have changed their tune even though the football hasn’t improved (the main thing everyone was complaining about).
We're up but we're lucky to be.
I'd still vote no on a sacking pole (obviously) but im yet to be convinced Jimmy can take us further, next season will tell us that.
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on May 19, 2004 17:15:54 GMT 1
On Sunday 16th May 2004, we got back to the FL. As RW said ' it was closure for what happened before'. Nuff said!!!!!!!!
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Post by RBA on May 19, 2004 17:50:39 GMT 1
I am pleaseD Rats is pleased I no longer hold grudges now lets miove on
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Post by PeteD on May 19, 2004 18:10:26 GMT 1
we defeated everton, played well against chelsea and earnt the club 300k which basically financed this years promotion im resiging from DDAS. HAHAHA Matt you big fkn kid, that 300k could have well promoted us to div two(2) not just back to div 3, dick
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Post by grinfish on May 19, 2004 18:18:00 GMT 1
Easy on the abuse Pete, unnecessary. Don't attack someone personally for expressing an opinion.
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Post by PeteD on May 19, 2004 18:20:27 GMT 1
ay up owd lad thats not abuse (yet) ;D, dont get me wrong i am not totaly anti Ratcliffe but what a STUPID and SILLY statement to make dont you think???
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Post by grinfish on May 19, 2004 18:37:13 GMT 1
ay up owd lad thats not abuse (yet) ;D, dont get me wrong i am not totaly anti Ratcliffe but what a STUPID and SILLY statement to make dont you think??? Yes, resigning from DDAS would definitely be a silly statement to make ;D
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