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Post by Pilch on Apr 5, 2004 23:54:27 GMT 1
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Post by a fan on Apr 5, 2004 23:55:20 GMT 1
not really, i've had it all day but not had time to put it up yet, monday programme day for chester Yeh! only just had time to put the next money grabbing auction on line,then get all you lot to do a programme that is needed in only 8 days time,then got to get it printed by that telford firm who sponsor our main rivals,and rumour has it are about to buy them,and you lot just sit there moaning, just sit down shut up and give us your money,where on earth did you all get the idea that this club cared what you lot think? "its your money im after baby"
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Apr 5, 2004 23:58:49 GMT 1
Yeh! only just had time to put the next money grabbing auction on line,then get all you lot to do a programme that is needed in only 8 days time,then got to get it printed by that telford firm who sponsor our main rivals,and rumour has it are about to buy them,and you lot just sit there moaning, just sit down shut up and give us your money,where on earth did you all get the idea that this club cared what you lot think? "its your money im after baby" Ian does'nt deserve that
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 6, 2004 0:05:37 GMT 1
I thought it was a Rolls Royce, are we talking about the sha**ing some one elses missus and crashing the car, with a Sun photographer on hand. Mind you Pilch I was only young then so may have got my facts wrong.
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Post by rob signed out on Apr 6, 2004 0:07:03 GMT 1
Direct it towards our marketing manager , be interested to know what he's being paid Is football the only business where a person fired from their previous job for being incompetent,liabelous (sp) and just plain stupid gets offered a job and then paid for doing it??? We should be looking at a club like Exeter, who are run by supporters, surely their initiatives would be the best ones to run?
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 6, 2004 0:11:12 GMT 1
love it when guests post like that as it is someone who doesn't want to use their real name.
programme needs to be finished as there is a bank holiday before the chester game.
what having the programme printed by taws has to do with them being involved i don't know. they've done a great job for us this season, the first we've done it in house.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 6, 2004 0:11:56 GMT 1
Cannot be paid alot as it appears he also works as Mr Mad Peters in the nightclubs of Telford.
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Post by GUEST on Apr 6, 2004 0:14:18 GMT 1
I Wish That I Had Seen The Advert For That Post,
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Post by Pilch on Apr 6, 2004 0:24:23 GMT 1
love it when guests post like that as it is someone who doesn't want to use their real name. you'll love it even more when i tell you that the ip was virgin and there are no matches for virgin today,which suggests they even have another isp to dial up to cover their tracks
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 6, 2004 0:29:28 GMT 1
I've just logged on to find this latest thread about the Ball. I agree, by 8th May we may not know the Player of the Year. Will the playoffs be over? If (no when) STFC are involved in said playoffs, it will cost all of us to go and support them.
How many Junior Blues can afford £45 ? The big thing about the usual 'do ' is that it is for all supporter groups - as far as I know the only time they are all actually together. It is a good evening and even last year was a good way to end the season.
The idea of the £45 Ball is a good one but not as the end of Season Award Ball. Now a Return to the Football League Ball possibly slightly subsidised by the Club as a 'thankyou' to us all may be a better idea (if only in my dreams)
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 6, 2004 0:40:54 GMT 1
it is a crass money making venture
we said this would happen, if this is the player of the year awards have they not just taken an annual event off the supporters with no consultation and then multiplied the price by 9?
It is not long before people do actually start telling people at the club things to their face instead of ranting on here (such as previous naughty word aimed at Mr Peters), and I bet they would like that even less than reading this
there is only so much people can take and this can just added to a list of PR disasters. Unless of course it is a completely different event to what happened last year, aimed at the executive market, in which case I look forward to the announcement of the real player of the season awards sometime in the near future
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2004 0:47:26 GMT 1
Unless of course it is a completely different event to what happened last year, aimed at the executive market, in which case I look forward to the announcement of the real player of the season awards sometime in the near future I do sincerley hope it's the case.
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Post by texmexshrew on Apr 6, 2004 5:06:17 GMT 1
For more details or to purchase tickets......contact.... mark@shrewsburytown.co.uk sure hell answer each & every question which gets posted tonight..
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Apr 6, 2004 5:46:35 GMT 1
I read the Star at work tonight.
I have no problem with the club looking to raise funds by holding an event which is looking to tap the pocket of the middle class man (at least I hope this is what Mr Peters is thinking, 'cos if he believes he will get the ordinary supporter to attend, he is well out of touch with reality). Good luck with it. Let's hope there is a market there from which the club can raise some good money.
However, I strongly object to it being touted as the "Player Of the Season Awards Night" I'm interested to know what awards will be made at this event? If it is just to be the Executive Lounge award, I can live with it, that is the market it is being sold to.
But anything else is cheating the working class fan (ie the majority) of seeing the awards being presented for which they have voted.
The way it sounds in the press is that all (or at least the majority of presentations will be made this night.
I very much doubt the OSC, Away Supporters Club or Junior Blues wish to see their trophies presented at an evening where the vast majority of their members will not be in attendance due to being priced out of it.
ASFC will certainly not be making their awards at this night and I'm already considering options. Either we have our very own do (which could be linked in with my planned end of season disco and raffle) or we have a combined do with the other supporters groups as in previous seasons (my preferred option).
Will the players attend? Interesting. Let us hope so or it is an even bigger kick in the teeth to the fans if they only recognise the Mark Peters event. To be honest I think they would be there if it is a combined do with all Supporters organisations.
One final thought, for the first time the ASFC "Pants Award" could for the first time go to someone other than a member of its own playing squad!!
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Post by MartinB on Apr 6, 2004 8:31:56 GMT 1
Spot on Chris, I was just about to post exactly the same thing. Excellent post.
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Post by MartinB on Apr 6, 2004 8:33:12 GMT 1
On thoughts for questions to Peter Shilton.
"Are you surprised to be invited here considering you have told Shrewsbury Town fans to "**** off" in the past?"
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Post by Theoneandonly on Apr 6, 2004 9:13:42 GMT 1
Tell me more....
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Post by ShrewsandRoyals on Apr 6, 2004 10:02:54 GMT 1
Ok here goes. This is with my ex-football promotions hat on, and as someone who has never been to an end of season do or be likely too given our location and the cricket season! No axe to grind!
This event will probably sell out as it is undoubtably aimed at the directors, executive members and players. In one single manoevre, the player of "the year" (?) award(s) have been hijacked by the club. The club should be increasing player/supporter interaction, not creating what can be perceived as further isolation.
Was there any discussion with the supporters associations that have always organised this? I doubt it. So there are now parties alienated because there past efforts have been ignored and it appears to be an event steam rollered without full consideration. Anything that puts the back of supporters up can be considered a PR and Marketing disaster.
Was this a single handed effort on behalf of Mr Peters? I doubt that very much either. I suspect that at least CP was involved with the "birth" of this one and can not see how others within the club wouldn't have been too. Could only one/two people get this through without opposition? If it that was the case some questions need asking about A) whether others opposed it or not and gave thought to the supporters, and B) if it was opposed why did it get the nod.
Price pointing is well out of line for Joe or Jo Bloggs through the turnstyle. But then that's probably what was intended. Being very cynical I could suggest this is the staff end of season do, being dressed up to seem like it is open to all, so the entrance fees can be shown on the books as revenue towards the turnover calculations for wage capping.
Furthermore, the lack of notice and timing with regard to a large number of games at home, possible playoff costs etc. Also creates barriers as saving up is not possible. Assuming that they are going to make it black tie, there is additional expense.
Why Shilton? Town fans would rather see an ex-player I'm sure. Shilton is hardly a shining example of how to run your life off the field. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is my opinion based on the facts that are in the public domain.
I suspect that more divisions have been created now, and this is not good. Have a serious look at what is happening Mr Peters. In your position I would be concerned about the strength of feeling and the "beast" of backlash that may well be about to be unleashed.
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Post by DiglisShrew on Apr 6, 2004 10:11:33 GMT 1
Please let me know when the REAL Player of Year awards are to be held !
Unfortunately, this just shows how little this Guy knows about the Club's fan base (the people who ultimately pay , in part , his wages !!).
Was this idea presented (if at all) to the Commercial Group as a "fait accompli" ? Could not that Group have been asked for their thoughts ? What is the OSC view of this arrangement ?
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Post by True_Shrew on Apr 6, 2004 12:16:44 GMT 1
BelleVueShrew that is a cracking post, maybe you should show that to Mr Peters, Ian. I really want to be involved with the whole executive thing with STFC and I am trying my damdest to put as much money into the club as possible. However as we are in early stages of any new business you can imagine with we don't have a lot of money to spare, but where we can put it, we will. Yet, this to me shows that the club is pricing me out as a) A supporter b) A customer and c) a future sponsor. And I thought PR stood for PUBLIC RELATIONS
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 6, 2004 12:31:11 GMT 1
I would be interested to know what market research was undertaken by Mr Peters for this event?
I would also like to know what consultation with supporters groups took place?
and I would like to know why someone completely unrelated to the football club is the main speaker, in fact, someone with a "history" with town fans
Thinking about it, I would also like to know how much of the £45 goes to STFC, how muchtto the venue and how much to our distinguished speaker?
but if this idea is anything to go by, I would also question whether he knew what day it was...
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Apr 6, 2004 13:47:00 GMT 1
Both TBH & Shrews&Royals have mentioned about consultation with Supporters groups.
Chris Smith (who has been the main organiser behind the event over the years & runs the away travel club) was sounded out beforehand by Mark Peters and said he'd take it to all parties involved.
He rung me a week ago and was also approaching the OSC, Junior Blues amongst others.
I don't know their reaction as I haven't had chance to speak to Chris since. I can however well imagine, and I don't think they would be jumping for joy.
It is perhaps unfair of me to put Chris's reaction to the idea up here. Enough to say he thought similar to me that many people would be priced out of it and that there should be a separate do where those of us who couldn't afford this do, could have a separate function.
So to be fair they did consult. As I haven't spoken to Chris since, this is just conjecture on my part, but I imagine that Chris has taken back to Mr Peters that the fans groups weren't exactly warm to the idea.
I find it disappointing if that is the case that they have gone ahead, not so much with a £45 a head do, but labelled it the Player Of The Year Awards night.
I hear on the grapevine that we, the Suporters Groups, are being offered a couple of alternative dates for our own modest means to do our presentations, and that there will be player presentation there.
It just feels to me personally, and I expect others as well, that our event has gone from being the main end of season bash, to an "after the Lord Mayors show" event. Such is the way this new event is being presented.
I think Mr Peters has scored a massive own goal here by seemingly undervaluing the mass ranks of the supporters. He is in the early stages of his job and I wish him well, because if he is successful then he is earning STFC lots of lolly.
However, as a marketing manager, he really needs the fans onside. If he has their respect, they are more likely to be receptive and take on board and support his ideas.
This event could have been done successfully without the alienation of so many, simply by marketing it as an executive do, all welcome, but where the executive members would make their Player Of The Year Award. Instead of making it sound as the "Official" Player Of The Year Awards event, and if you can't afford to go you'll be missing out.
Feel free to show Mark my posts Ian. I'm not trying to slag the guy off or put him down. I'd just like him to grasp a reality of the feeling of the average everyday fan.
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Post by Shrews and Royals on Apr 6, 2004 15:03:20 GMT 1
Cheers for that Chris.
If that is the time scale involved with regard to consultation, it would seem to me it was a "faite a complis" and there wasn't any real "consultation", rather a going through the motions (although that is better than nothing) and probably ignoring the feedback given.
Am I being harsh? You don't book a venue, big name speaker, band, clear the date with the manager etc, in that short a time AFTER consultation. That would seem to be obvious.
The way in which this has been presented has not been thought through at all it would seem, and has created the reaction that most others would have anticipated.
As I mentioned - it will succeed as a day out for the directors, executives et al. Anyone with a PR head would have marketed as an annual ball and left the players awards out of it to avoid exactly the backlash that has occurred.
Perhaps the place for this is the start of the season as a Summer Ball or Christmas, and the supporters can then keep their traditional end of season finale without being made to feel second rate.
I'd like to know too, how many hotels were asked to tender for this particular event? It would have been put out to tender to maximise revenue or bring down ticket cost wouldn't it?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 6, 2004 15:49:04 GMT 1
What do you get for your 45 quid? Do you have to go black tie or?
Can see both sides I guess, the club wish to make it a special occasion (and so it should be) and in doing so have invited the guest speaker (not too sure how they cost, mind) and the tribute band. I guess for some, not all (I wouldn't go near it with a barge pole...ABBA and Shilts...nooooo), it would make a decent nights entertainment and a decent end of season bash...
What happened last season by the way, when and where was the 'Player of the Season' awarded? I'd vote Lenny the Lion anyhows, he deserves it for his efforts throughout the years...should have picked it up last season (how anyone from the playing staff was worthy of the award was beyond me!!)...vote Lenny the Lion!!
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Apr 6, 2004 15:54:51 GMT 1
Last year as in previous years it was at the same venue Mark Peters is holding this do Stutty lad, namely the Lord Hill.
The evening always takes on the guise of all the fans groups making their various presentations, a buffet and a disco to round off proceedings.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2004 15:58:38 GMT 1
Shakey won our player of the season trophy after his battle with illness etc. - I don't think many people felt a player deserved the award.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 6, 2004 16:04:45 GMT 1
I have just come back from lunching at a hostlery that has been involved with sponsoring matches this season. A letter from the club has been sent to them detailing the Ball and offering tables for 10 at £400+VAT. I don't know if they will be accepting this offer or not - I didn't ask. However, if a letter has been sent to all sponsors/businesses involved and there is a good take up perhaps it will raise some money for us.
So long as the usual supporters evening goes ahead I don't really object too much. Having seen the players at the supporters' do in the past, I suspect that they will enjoy 'our' evening more than an official Ball even though they might attend the Ball out of duty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2004 15:53:40 GMT 1
So, anyone going then?..........
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Post by CaptainGlassback on Apr 9, 2004 17:55:09 GMT 1
As the function is at The Lord Ill I can't go anyway on a minimum of 2 counts. 1. My boycott of all functions at the Lord Ill continues until The Board drops the Gay Meadow Property Scam. 2. I don't set out to deliberately drink bad beer at 45p let alone £45. Leave The Board to attend THEIR function while true STFC fans continue to boycott The Lord Ill.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Apr 9, 2004 18:40:02 GMT 1
Is it being held at the Lord Hill ?
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