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Post by Pilch on Mar 31, 2004 1:44:28 GMT 1
So how do you feel after a great 3 points ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2004 1:46:33 GMT 1
I feel better.
JQ - if you want the fans to regain confidence then stick by what you're doing at the moment.
4-4-2 with a balanced side, a left back with a left foot and a centre mid playing in centre mid.
I did not agree with Rodgers being dropped for tonight's game but if JQ is going to give Banim a chance he needs to give him a run in the side. Strikers will not benefit from having different strike partners each week.
An excellent three points though nonetheless.
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Post by CaptainGlassback on Mar 31, 2004 2:30:12 GMT 1
I'd rather see Roland Rat out. He has engineered our unprecedented downfall. It was 3 well earned points by a team that totally dominated tonight. But I cannot recall ever seeing such a bad performance as that displayed by Barnet tonight. Town certainly have the INDIVIDUAL raw material on the pitch to do great things. How about 6 on Tuesday to drive Scumford into extinction!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2004 9:51:55 GMT 1
There should be an option there saying 'give him until the end of the season'
His decisions still annoy me but tonight and saturday have been better performances as we've been playing with a balanced side.
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Post by OldGit on Mar 31, 2004 11:04:47 GMT 1
What a difference a week makes eh? All the headbanging ( ) and manic "Quinn OUT", "Sack the Board" postings have dried up. The "one way Street" hounding has stopped and a sense of proportion has returned to this Board. We are a small club, albeit a good sized fish in our current pond. We have a "prudent" (to use one of Gordon Brown's favourite words) Board, led by a canny Chairman. We have a good, but erratic manager overseeing a good but erratic side. I think we have a 60/40 chance of making the Play-offs, and then who knows? Come what may, the real fate of the Club wull likely be determined over the closed season, when we shall either have to gear up for a return to Div 3, of face a rethink about our escape from the Conference. Whichever way it goes, 2 things are certain; we stand a better chance with the fans behind Roland, JQ and his men, and our path will be a lot smoother than that of Telford, who will have a massive battle to restructure on their hands.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 31, 2004 11:13:20 GMT 1
Im big enough to admit that i may have over reacted last week old git!!! but it was down to anger (and fear) of it all going wrong - the telford debarcle and the last two games have brought it back in line and i agree with all you say now.
Still not sure that JQ will get us out of this division but i will give him this one chance now - but hes got to take it for the sake of the club and fans - prove me wrong jimmy
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Post by OldGit on Mar 31, 2004 11:21:23 GMT 1
Fine words young Pricey Passion and blood are what makes us human and more interesting to meet than all species of lizards, most frogs and the entire population of Belgium. Besides, a debate with only one argument would not attract the masses - and where would we be without mass debaters? Chasing sheep I guess! Arf Arf!
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Post by Baafly on Mar 31, 2004 11:28:50 GMT 1
hehehehe, Old Git
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Post by pawlo on Mar 31, 2004 11:29:06 GMT 1
You sound very smug old git. The thing is, whilst a lot of what you say has a ring of reality about it, it is so hard sometimes just to sit back and watch the world go by without being critical. Yes, a lot of the quinn out stuff has stopped, we have just played well two games on the trot, the fans have taken a little comfort from it, but having watched so many inept and baffling displays from team and manager this season, and indeed last, it wont be long before they start again. And who can blame them. Football is a game of passion, its supposed to be played with passion and supported with passion. If some people prefer the considered and thoughtfull approach then perhaps they should start following the local chess team. We are all ( well most of us old git ) victims of expectation. Not many on this board I suspect, expected to see so many horribly cr@p performances from the team, I for one expected Town to roundly hammer the majority of the opposition, and it has certainly been a very rude awakening. But that doesnt mean we should just sit around and blindly accept what is being served up. Just for the record........................Quinn Out
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Post by OldGit on Mar 31, 2004 11:41:20 GMT 1
Smug? Moi - dya think?
Pab - I have never had a problem with passion, and as a long suffering Riversider who has to put up with Skippy's singing, Phil's awful choice of snacks and Ant's massive abuse of hair gel, I too have ached for somethin better than our form this season. What I object to is the mindless ranting - often extremely personal, and the absence of any constructive action. If you think a letter to the Board demanding the dismissal of JQ and his team is right - fine, but give me some justification. Being one place outside the play-offs and in the black, with "games in hand" doesn't do it for me. I also don't think heckling players, booing and ranting does it either - but each to his own. I'll say it my way - and for sure you'll do the same - as I said to Pricey, it makes us all human.
And just for the smugness that's in it, Voltaire said something along the lines of " I may disagree totally with everything you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it". Democracy in action. Yooooooo Blooooos!
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Mar 31, 2004 11:52:22 GMT 1
All of the above are excellant posts. I'm afraid I have still hit the "yes" button though. I'm not going to be fooled by one victory into suddenly thinking JQ is the bees knees. The overall picture is still that he has consistently changed tactics and personnel and, as a result, the team has vastly under performed overall. I really hope he proves me wrong, and based on the last two performances things do look a lot better. Don't get me wrong, in advocating Quinn out I'm not suggesting we actually sack him. That costs money, plus all the related consequences of getting someone else in. I'm merely expressing an opinion that I have very little confidence in Quinn and probably even less in his backroom staff (whom, let's face it, were appointed by JQ!) If he left tomorrow I would not be disappointed and would in all honesty have a celebratory pint! However, I hope he goes on to prove me wrong and I will, as ever, continue to give the team 100% backing
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 31, 2004 11:52:47 GMT 1
A few things done: Left side filled up with left footers 4-4-2 Streety is no wide man Works doesnt it Jim
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Post by dachshund on Mar 31, 2004 12:00:31 GMT 1
I remember being the only "no" vote two games ago, now we have the lead (8-7 as I write). This isn't to say I think Quinn is a particularly good manager, but rather that I think sacking him, with all the upheaval and expense involved, would be a worse scenario than sticking by him and giving him a chance.
This isn't to say I think a club should stick with a manager regardless - I'm pretty sure I was the first on the old topica list to call for Ratcliffe's head, and maintained that position for the two years it took for my dream to come true. If Jimmy sticks with 4-4-2 (Sammy on the RIGHT for the play offs), I will stick with him for the time being. Any more 3-4-1-2 nonsense, and we'll have to see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2004 12:06:42 GMT 1
I have voted 'yes' (though I would do it at the end of the season). We have still only really played in 3 or 4 games this season out of about 40. Just because of an excellent victory last night it does not make Quinn some sort of managerial genius. However, if we can keep playing to the standards of our last 2 games then I will be very happy indeed.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 31, 2004 13:16:20 GMT 1
Old Git, you are absolutely right about at least one thing, I most definately do respect your right to have your say and all in all hope to God your right. As for Voltaire, well Im not sure who he played for but he sounds a bit of a know all to me.
But how can you be content with a play off place in the conference. Yes, if it was the third or second division play offs fine, but can we really sink much lower then thinking a play off place in the conference is some kind of achievement? If we set our sights any lower we will bump into a snail.
Has quinn done a good job. I dont think so, even if, and lets face it, its still quite a big if, we get into the play offs, can we really feel proud. Have we played to our potential. I dont think so. Has the team showed the kind of pride and passion the fans have. No. The best we can hope for is smarmy and pathetic calls from them saying being booed hurts their soddin feelings, well boo hoo. My pride is in tatters. They should be made to earn the respect and applause they want.
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Post by scooter on Mar 31, 2004 14:04:59 GMT 1
It may not have been pretty ,or very convincing, at times but jQ looks like gettig us where he and the Board were realistically aiming for, the play-offs.
We would all have loved to do a Chester or Yeovil, but it was never likely.
And if we sack the manager everytime we slip out of the top 5, or don't win well enough, we will have even less consistency and more unsettled players.
Every new manager will decide to get rid of half the squad and bring in new players and tactics. Does the next manager get more time or less ?
Sometimes you do have to hold your nerve and give support, and it will hopefully come right. There are never any guarantees.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2004 14:19:26 GMT 1
It sounds as if your expectations were too high pab especially considering the recent history of relegated clubs into the Conference. As for pride and passion- you quoted a statement by the one player who for me has never been lacking ie - Tinson- and there are plenty of others I can add to that list. The support of the fans has been acknowledged many times by players and staff.
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Post by LufbraSalop on Mar 31, 2004 14:44:25 GMT 1
Im still finding it hard to believe the negativity on this board, after an away win and a good performance as well!
You've all been calling for a stable team and tactics and we've had that over the last few games. The new signing have filled the gaps in the squad perfectly.
There have been complaints that the players aren’t committed enough. Last night every player was as committed as they could be.
Our record against the top 6 has been highlighted in recent weeks. In the last two matches we've beaten a team above us away from home and lost narrowly to Hereford away with one of our best performances of the season.
Quinn seems to have answered all the questions asked off him in what have been the worst weeks of his managerial reign. Yet still there are approximately 50% who want him out!
Last night was the most professional display I have seen from town away from home in recent years, and in a pressure situation as well. Its given me real hope that we can perform when it matters (hopeful may 16th), though I haven’t counted any chickens yet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2004 15:07:53 GMT 1
People aren't going to get crazy about two good performances, and an excellent result.
JQ made two good signings last week and since has played two balanced sides and our best formation 4-4-2.
If he continues to play to our strengths and keep a fairly consistent side I'm hopefuly for the rest of the season.
But two good performances don't make a season, there are several important games left yet.
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Post by LufbraSalop on Mar 31, 2004 15:15:25 GMT 1
But Ant, dont you think at times hes been forced to change formation through player availability?
He brought in Greg and Fitz to play on the left at the begining of the season and they have both not come up to scratch. Hes then been stuck between a rock and a hard place, do you play your best team in their proper positions or do you try and fit them into 4-4-2? To be honest neither have worked and this combined with the inconsistancy of most of the squad is why weve been flayling for the last few months.
Hopefully thats over with but as I said im not counting any chickens, things could still go wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2004 15:20:39 GMT 1
Who else is to blame if JQ's signings e.g. Rioch have been poor?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2004 15:21:51 GMT 1
"It sounds as if your expectations were too high pab especially considering the recent history of relegated clubs into the Conference. "
Most teams come down with serious financial troubles and have to start again with smaller less experienced teams. We are spending more on wages this season than ever before and our average attendance is higher now than it has been in nearly a decade.
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Post by LufbraSalop on Mar 31, 2004 15:26:13 GMT 1
Think thats abit harsh, did you expect every signing to turn out perfect esspecially when we signed half a squad in the summer! The vast majority of his signings have been very good, actually i can only think of those two as being failures.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2004 15:52:52 GMT 1
Quinn's signings have indeed been excellent by and large, I agree.
But this has made some of his tactical inadequacies even poorer - and that's where my main grudge with him lies.
If he can continue to play a 4-4-2 formation, with balance, through the end of the season then my opinion may well change, but to do it on the basis of a couple of good performances would be silly.
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Post by Stue_P on Mar 31, 2004 17:11:48 GMT 1
Obviously we have played better in the past two games, but i still don't think he is good enough.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 31, 2004 20:31:42 GMT 1
I must be the only person to have voted "yes" every time.
3 points out of 9 isn't play-off form.
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Post by peterjones1 on Mar 31, 2004 20:34:46 GMT 1
I've voted yes everytime as well Sean, one good away win on the back of 3 defeats isn't going to change my mind.
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Post by scooter on Mar 31, 2004 20:37:41 GMT 1
Do the people voting Yes think he should go now or at the end of the season ?
And, as I asked earlier, how long does the next man get ? Top by Xmas or out ?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 31, 2004 20:47:54 GMT 1
I have voted yes because I think there is no basis for giving the man a vote of confidence on the basis of performances and results that we have seen.
I wouldn't mind him going immediately, I accept that he is here for two years - COME WHAT MAY - however if we do not get in the play-offs then he should go.
How long does a top-qaulified coach need to assemble a team that can demonstrate it understands what is required of it in more than one game in five?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2004 20:53:54 GMT 1
I voted yes.
Obviously he won't go this season and if we produce 6/7 more performances like the last two I'll vote no.
Will we?
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