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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Mar 29, 2004 20:23:32 GMT 1
Please respond
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 29, 2004 20:26:00 GMT 1
Yes as long as the people of Telford help too else all we are doing is masking the problem.
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Post by d00bie on Mar 29, 2004 20:30:00 GMT 1
I will have spent more at the Bucks Head this season in watching 2 games there than a large % of Telford people will ever spend, for me that is doing my bit for TUFC
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Post by PeteD on Mar 29, 2004 20:30:45 GMT 1
i have voted yes but this is somthing that only you yourself can decide..i have limited funds and my team is town so guess where my money is going.............but i wish them all the best
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Mar 29, 2004 20:39:36 GMT 1
I will have spent more at the Bucks Head this season in watching 2 games there than a large % of Telford people will ever spend, for me that is doing my bit for TUFC v. good point.
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Post by grinfish on Mar 29, 2004 22:01:59 GMT 1
No, but only because the question is too vague. Do you mean Financial help or vocal support/physical assistance (like the stewarding)?
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Mar 29, 2004 22:17:39 GMT 1
I was all for going to the Accrington game, but while at work all day Saturday I listerned to Radio Shropshire.
The whole day was taken up by Telford United, quite rightly.
To then discover that only 2,500 TELFORD fans turned up for a very important game made my mind up.
I think there best option would be to reform and start next season in the Midland Alliance.
Harsh you may think but they would come back stronger.
Look at Aldershot and Newport County.
Feel sorry for the Telford lads that come on here and the Telford director Robin Eaves. They seem to have worked there socks off.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 29, 2004 22:41:56 GMT 1
2,500 is about the best Telford could ever hope for.
When they get their bigger gates it is made up from Town fans and supporters of Black Country teams. we were busy with a certain local fixture.
If it had been played midweek, and we'd had no fixtureI'm sure there would have been quite a few more there.
Just shows how much Andy Shaw misjudged it all.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 29, 2004 23:06:43 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with supporting any club who have been left in the lurch like this, although I have to agree with some others its masking a problem, not enough people are showing any investor they want the club.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2004 23:09:32 GMT 1
I have voted yes because at the end of the day, if we were in the same position I'd like to think their fans would do the same for us. However, there are one or two (well only one actually ) TUFC fan who is p**sing me off at the moment. There has been nothing but signs of support from 99.9% of town fans, I just hope it is remembered as it's not easy being so kind and supportive to a team that hates you with a passion
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Post by ssshrew on Mar 29, 2004 23:13:09 GMT 1
I would support the supporters of TUFC all I could and will certainly not be against putting money in a bucket or whatever when we next go there. However, I have been concerned over the last couple of days that, if a large number of Shrews Fans go tomorrow night it will mask the fact that Telford citizens are not supporting their club. Not that I would dissuade anyone from going and adding moral support.
It may also be that Chester will take quite a few although not as many as us!!!! I can only say Good Luck to the fans as I know how I would feel if it was Shrewbury - DEVASTATED
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Post by SlimShandy on Mar 29, 2004 23:16:50 GMT 1
I think it is important to sympathise with the fans. I'd hate it if it was Shrewsbury.
But at the end fo the day there is very little we can do except give them money and if it's not viable what's the point?
The problem is they went pro and they couldn't afford it BECAUSE unlike what some of the Telford twerps you get on here say THEY ARE NOT A BIG CLUB!
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 29, 2004 23:22:28 GMT 1
I have voted yes because at the end of the day, if we were in the same position I'd like to think their fans would do the same for us. However, there are one or two (well only one actually ) TUFC fan who is p**sing me off at the moment. There has been nothing but signs of support from 99.9% of town fans, I just hope it is remembered as it's not easy being so kind and supportive to a team that hates you with a passion Excellent post.
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Post by ShrewFan on Mar 29, 2004 23:54:57 GMT 1
personally i wouldnt like to see telford fold but when they only get 2,500 fans there in their biggest time of need then it makes you wonder whats the point in us spending our money to go and support a team who if they do get out of trouble ( which i hope they do) would most probably go back into the same situation as their gates are never going to improve and there4 the finances will not ever become comfortable long term it seems to me that going into the midland alliance would perhaps be a good option for them. they could then see what they can afford long term and build up slowly and maybe even benefit from it. might even suit lee mills in it
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Post by rob on Mar 30, 2004 1:09:32 GMT 1
Yes we should try and help them. And us the supporters and the club have tried to help Telford. However as others have said it will be vain unless the town of telford helps its OWN football club.
One thing I am puzzled about. Shaws gone bust, has he therefore just left debts of £650,000? Or has he left the ground and hotel to the club as well?
Because if the club own its ground and the hotel than being £650,000 in debt doesnt look so bad. Most of the players are on one year contracts I'm guessing?
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Post by gregtheshrew on Mar 30, 2004 1:16:15 GMT 1
Helping them is a good idea but what worries me is that in 3-4 years time they will completely forget what we did to help and just give us loads of s**t again,or just be like the French and never forgive us for bailing them out.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 30, 2004 1:17:01 GMT 1
the current issue is should TUFC die and reform
I want to back TUISA and their efforts to keep it going
I know many TUFC fans who have been cocky and frankly ridiculously, painfully, naively arrogant and plain insultive to us.
but then I still think we should help them, because this is the existence of their club
maybe they will think harder next time
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Post by grinfish on Mar 30, 2004 1:17:15 GMT 1
Club and Hotel are separate businesses. However, The hotel owns 2 sides of the ground. A ludicrous arrangement, but that's the way Shaw left it.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 30, 2004 1:19:46 GMT 1
Club and Hotel are separate businesses. However, The hotel owns 2 sides of the ground. A ludicrous arrangement, but that's the way Shaw left it. I posted that on Buckschat less than a month ago and they all told me to get lost hopefully I will get my apology when I go watch them tomorrow!
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Post by gregtheshrew on Mar 30, 2004 1:23:48 GMT 1
Doubt it you will probably be called an arrogant sheepshagger for your trouble ;D
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Post by Pilch on Mar 30, 2004 2:03:11 GMT 1
99.9% only 59% by the looks
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Post by MartinB on Mar 30, 2004 8:56:28 GMT 1
I don't want any football club to go bust because I feel for the genuine fans.
In Telford's case I hope they survive but they won't get anything beyond my good wishes because of the "moneybags" attitude of a majority of their fans over the last 5 years.
It's like when Chelski run into problems my attitude will be to say to Chelski fans "Did you enjoy it while it lasted?" because that is their attitude.
They don't seem to realise that when it finishes it is highly likely to be the end of Chelsea Football Club.
I think of a club like Brighton, they got bitten once, someone then came in offering loads of money, he was told "thanks but no thanks" as he wanted total control. They weren't prepared to take the risk again. Good luck to them.
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Post by Staly on Mar 30, 2004 9:31:20 GMT 1
Yes, the Brighton analogy's a good one, although their previous owners set out to asset strip the club from the start, rather than just getting it wrong.
I would always do what I reasonably could to help any club in trouble, but it's down to the fans of that club to decide what they need to do and ask for help if and when they want it. Also, get a bit uncomfortable with people making gestures on here and then going onto Buckschat every 10 minutes saying "hey, look what I've done for you. Aren't I great". Yeah, ok then...
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Post by Joe Totale on Mar 30, 2004 9:41:30 GMT 1
By all means send tem good wishes but when it comes to actually forking out for them then forget it.
In case you hadn't noticed we're in the same division as them and they have a better stadium than us already.
They wouldn't lift a finger if we were in trouble.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 30, 2004 10:38:55 GMT 1
Also, get a bit uncomfortable with people making gestures on here and then going onto Buckschat every 10 minutes saying "hey, look what I've done for you. Aren't I great". Yeah, ok then... who is that aimed at?
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Post by Staly on Mar 30, 2004 10:46:44 GMT 1
oooh, noone in particular...
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 30, 2004 11:00:59 GMT 1
I onl wrote that I had been on the radio on Buckschat because I had told Lee Carter that was what I was going to do, and I know quite a few of them off there
if that makes you uncomfortable I am sorry
and anything I say on here I have said on there in the last month
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 30, 2004 11:03:41 GMT 1
Have to agree Staly...
I'm sure Telford would appreciate support and help from all football supporters because not one of us would like to see their club in the same situation. But then again I wouldn't want people coming to support my club purely simply to gain the moral high ground and to get lavished in praise for sacrificing 90 minutes of yer time and the price of admission...which I get the impression some Town fans might be seeking by going tomorrow or doing whatever to help. Go if you really want to help the club at it's hour of need...not for some personal gratification or to get the one over yer local rivals.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 30, 2004 11:15:15 GMT 1
I have obviously not communicated what I mean well enough
I am not trying to claim moral high ground as such, let's be honest, being a Shrewsbury fan there is not much high ground you can take over anyone
It certainly isn't about gratification either, I dread the day we fans of STFC hear the same news about our club. no-one wins when a footie club goes out of business
I also don't think anyone will be lvishing praise on anyone else, there will just be a fairly quiet and grim dignity with which the usual banter is exchanged
it is simply that if I was in their shoes I would want people to do the same for me, whatever the history of rivalry between us
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 30, 2004 11:32:30 GMT 1
Imagine the scenario, two years down the line still no New Meadow, directors had enough, STFC on the brink of ruin (god forbid any of this will ever happen) would people from Telford or any other areas help us? Im not saying no they wouldnt so lets not help them, as hopefully we will never need to find out. I just think a vast majority would say "shut the door on your way out STFC"
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