Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2004 15:41:24 GMT 1
Everyone on this board is entitled to there opinion but give it a break now at least until the end of the season FOR CHRISTS SAKE. Getting the knives sharpened now will NOT GET US PROMOTED. GET BEHIND THE MANAGER AND THE TEAM
|
|
|
Post by faginy on Mar 18, 2004 15:42:59 GMT 1
|
|
|
Post by Bilbo on Mar 18, 2004 15:45:14 GMT 1
If nothing else Foxie, the thread if read by quinn will show the frustration from the fans.
|
|
|
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 18, 2004 15:45:51 GMT 1
There is a huge difference between people letting off steam on here and negativity at the actual games
The vast majority ofpeople on here will be 100% behind the team for every game this year
I would rather people air their grievances on here than at players directly
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2004 15:50:03 GMT 1
Having a whinge on here is not doing any damage to the team so where is the problem? Everyone will be backing the players come 3 oclock on Saturday when it matters.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2004 15:50:42 GMT 1
I agree Billbo, including my frustrations as well.
TBH I disagree. I would say 90% who moan on here also moan at the games.
|
|
|
Post by wiganshrew2 on Mar 18, 2004 16:26:54 GMT 1
O.K- so I can't get to that many games- but in my experience- the supporters at matches are in the main encouraging- and they show appreciation when it's merited; when, and if, they moan, they have a valid point.
If you reward bad performances- you invite complacency. If we expect nothing but their best, they should take it as a complement. It shows some belief in their potential. If we thought they were totally hopelessly lacking in all talent and ability- we'd just give up on them, wouldn't we? The support and appreciation far outweighs the moans, at the matches I've attended.
|
|
Shakey252
Midland League Division Two
Member
Look that's 'two goals at Old Trafford" Juninho with his mate Shakey.
Posts: 172
|
Post by Shakey252 on Mar 18, 2004 16:44:01 GMT 1
But from a personal point of view, Throb will not moan at games Foxie have all good intentions and request that people get behind the team, excellent, but people always will, especially if they give them something to cheer. Don't underestimate that support that has already been given. Whoever gets selected on a matchday for the team should always get a fans support, because thats why we go, to watch those 11 selected. They all get my support everytime, as for the other bloke no chance.
|
|
|
Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 18, 2004 16:59:30 GMT 1
Haven't we been here before (i.e. last season)? How can anyone relate what is written on this board to how the team perform on a Saturday (or indeed any time)? Shakey, what do you think our kid...you know the score as you've been apart of the club?
Do some really people think there actions on here in someway effect the score line come Saturday? Lets give the old 'come on lads and lasses, lets get behind the team...don't moan' post in the hope that Quinn and the lads will know we're 100% behind them? Lets do that when we're at the Meadow (or wherever) and cheer the lads on yeah, that’s where it counts...but on here lets discuss all things Town, it's what it's here for int it? If some are happy with how things are progressing then that’s great...but why do we continue to have posters coming on here complaining that criticism won't get us promoted? Come on eh? Was it the negative vibes on here that got us relegated last season or the fact that we were s**t? Me thinks the latter...
Getting the knives sharpened now will NOT GET US PROMOTED...no it won't...there is only one thing that can and that the management and players of Shrewsbury Town our kid...
Come Saturday everyone is behind the management and players because we want what they want...success...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2004 17:21:30 GMT 1
Great post Stutty
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2004 17:36:41 GMT 1
Not so great Stuttgarter- you assume everyone draws the line between criticism on here and criticism on a match day but they dont ( I dont mean you by the way). Some of the strength of feeling on here recently will get through to the players and managers on the pitch and although everyone has a right to criticise, we all know what kind of support the players and manager would prefer.
|
|
|
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 18, 2004 17:39:44 GMT 1
in fairness though B&A is a tiny fraction of STFC's support and we are always being told that we don't really make a difference anyway, so why should a few people having a moan on here effect the atmosphere at a game?
|
|
|
Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 18, 2004 17:54:13 GMT 1
Foxie - this kind of post is like stutty said very similar to some of the posts towards the end of the last season - the"ohh it will be ok bregade" Why do you feel it nessasary to tell others what to do and think - people want to moan here and at the match fine its called opinian, and the only way it will get changed is when we perform to the standards that most of us expect I am no less angry today than Tuesday - why because i have had no reason to change my mind - quinns stupid press comments ect ect Foixe - dont let your self be fooled in to thinking it will be ok, its not ( it might be) but chances are the great fans of STFC are going to get hurt again which we do not deserve, but as i say its just opinian so if you wanna be optimistic fine just dont tell others they should be too
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2004 18:46:44 GMT 1
I am sure foxie can defend himself but it didnt read to me like he was saying everything would be OK- he was saying get behind the team and manager and probably suggesting that if we dont get behind them, things wont get any better. Im surprised you of all people dont agree with him- you have stuck your neck on the line with one particular player who was under achieving and things are getting better- real support- try it with the manager
|
|
Shakey252
Midland League Division Two
Member
Look that's 'two goals at Old Trafford" Juninho with his mate Shakey.
Posts: 172
|
Post by Shakey252 on Mar 18, 2004 18:52:30 GMT 1
Why try it with the manager Paul The players are the ones who play and get the results. Support them for every game this season.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2004 19:02:13 GMT 1
I have noticed on a few threads that you seem have a hang up over Quinn more than most- have you had a fallout or something? So you dont think he needs support and motivation- slag him off, blame him for everything, call for his head, question his integrity and he will motivate the players to a new level-mmmmm
|
|
|
Post by pawlo on Mar 18, 2004 19:19:55 GMT 1
Everyone on this board is entitled to there opinion but give it a break now at least until the end of the season FOR CHRISTS SAKE. Getting the knives sharpened now will NOT GET US PROMOTED. GET BEHIND THE MANAGER AND THE TEAM How about we modify that a little bit. "Everyone on this board is entitled to there opinion but give it a break now at least until the end of the season. Getting the knives sharpened now will not SAVE US FROM RELEGATION. Get behind the manager and the team" Seems to me that nothing we do or say has any affect what so ever.
|
|
|
Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 18, 2004 22:05:54 GMT 1
I have noticed on a few threads that you seem have a hang up over Quinn more than most- have you had a fallout or something? So you dont think he needs support and motivation- slag him off, blame him for everything, call for his head, question his integrity and he will motivate the players to a new level-mmmmm Hmmm The Quinn Reaper has had 8 months to motivate the players to a new level. They play as if they haven't been introduced. But its no lack of effort or quality.
|
|
Shakey252
Midland League Division Two
Member
Look that's 'two goals at Old Trafford" Juninho with his mate Shakey.
Posts: 172
|
Post by Shakey252 on Mar 18, 2004 22:25:10 GMT 1
I have noticed on a few threads that you seem have a hang up over Quinn more than most- have you had a fallout or something? So you dont think he needs support and motivation- slag him off, blame him for everything, call for his head, question his integrity and he will motivate the players to a new level-mmmmm Hmmm Paul who is accountable for poor performances, wrong tactical decisions, motivation of the team? Somebody is accountable. I find that a rather childish post "blame him for everything" what? where have i questioned his integrity? Motivate the players to new heights won't happen because i pass a comment on here? Whatever relationship i have with Jimmy Quinn does not affect my opinion on whether he is doing a good job or not.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2004 23:22:31 GMT 1
I agree Billbo, including my frustrations as well. TBH I disagree. I would say 90% who moan on here also moan at the games. That's utter rubbish sorry Foxie. I'm one who moans on here. I know plenty others who do to. And yet these are the guys who are always singing, shouting positive stuff, drowning out the scum buckets who chant racist s**t. I'm one too. I've probably booed twice and shouted out about three times negative stuff at football this season. I take great offence at being called a moaner.
|
|
|
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 18, 2004 23:28:05 GMT 1
TBH I disagree. I would say 90% who moan on here also moan at the games. Who are they Foxie? There are 11 moderators listed for this site By your reckoning at least nine of us moan at games? not a chance buddy! bad statistics should be left for SARA press releases!
|
|
|
Post by gregtheshrew on Mar 19, 2004 0:10:50 GMT 1
One fact is certain though.On Saturday if we are not winning with 30 minutes gone there will be certain sections of the crowd who will be barracking the players.Wherever you sit/stand you know who they will be before you go.It's the same people every week and only winning 5-0 will satisfy them.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 11:39:02 GMT 1
Yep, but luckily there'll be enough positive people to drown them out.
If we're not winning after an hour however, that's when things may get a bit sweaty.....
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 11:53:31 GMT 1
So dont beat around the bush Shakey, what is your relationship with Jimmy Quinn? What kind of job do you think he is doing? Do you think he is a better manager than Kevin Ratcliffe? What were your expectations for this season?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 15:47:00 GMT 1
Who are they Foxie? There are 11 moderators listed for this site By your reckoning at least nine of us moan at games? not a chance buddy! bad statistics should be left for SARA press releases! Dave, If you read my quote correctly I did not say 90% of this message board moan at games, but "90% of those who are moaning on this MB moan at the games as well" . Welshrew you stated you were not one of them and then went on to admit booing the team etc. Even if you only did it twice you are guilty , My appeal is simply that we all pull together.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 15:51:18 GMT 1
Guilty as charged then Foxie!
|
|
|
Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 19, 2004 16:21:45 GMT 1
This is the same as last year Boo dont boo it makes no difference and there is no proof either way that it effects players. Some will let there heads drop and some will be motivated by it, and in fact recent evidence shows that a good booing at half time might actually help!!! Im going to admit that i get on players backs pretty quickley and boo (a lot) but i dont see the problem as i stand near the back of the riverside to the left of the bufet and a) a large majority of that area are the same sort of fed up folks ( a large proportion of that area are long term regulars) and b) Can anyone but other fans here me - no I have felt it nessesary to go down the front (mostly at away games) and give a certain player/manager a peice of my mind (Daggers, stevenage and Margate spring to mind) and again i feel it is so so important that the manager and players know when we as fans are unhappy!! If i see us do something rubbish, lose, play bad, waste a chance - i cant keep saying - ohhhhh unlucky - it rarley is - the simple fact is that most things that people say were unlucky were a basic lack of skills at achiving the goal (be it scoreing, passing, winning) One example is that at half time on Tuesday - some one came to talk to me about how unlucky we were to be loseing - to which i was shocked - we had played bad, failed to have the skills required to be beteing telford and failed to have the correct tactics for it too - this highlighted the difference between the 2 sets of fans that have developed, happy and sad, (to that person i again say sorry for getting worked up - but i was angry at the way it wa going) Any way - i will be there this week supporting the town 100% like i have done ever sice i can remember - but if it goes wrong again i will not curb my toung on the off chance it will be herd by some one If you want a scape goat Foxie - you got one
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2004 16:36:39 GMT 1
Gp- great to show so much passion as long as it's balanced- have you ever run down to the dugout just to say to a cetain manager-dont know what you said to em at half time mate but what a turn around- eg Scarborough
|
|
|
Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 19, 2004 16:44:42 GMT 1
Yeah im balanced - when we play well i clap and cheer and cry (everton) off the pitch (like at Altringham this year - stayed right to the end - cos tinno and the rest deserved it) - but im afriad my main problem is that is all or nothing for me!!!! All i want is too feel like that i need to clap them off even more and not need to boo at half time, but i cant help it if we have been playing crap away from home and rubbish in the first half of games at home. I really want to see us win this weekend cos i dont want to feel like i have done this week again - purley gutted
|
|
|
Post by shrewsbadger on Mar 19, 2004 18:03:47 GMT 1
A quick point gpricy, surely it's wrong to boo or barrack players for a lack of skill. It's not their fault that they have limited ability, It's like being at school and booing the bottom set in maths and acusing them of not being able to count! Surely it's only lethargy and not seeming to care about wearing the blue and amber that you can individualisely criticise?
The lack of skill, comes down to the manager and ultimately the fact that we are a conference team.
But to be fair I know what you mean and have been known to have the odd charge down the front myself.
|
|