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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 17, 2004 1:34:30 GMT 1
Where do you start with this fool!! I cant belive that this is the same player from the start of the season when he was actually quite good - for 5 weeks now (well since the Northwich away game) we have carried him fom most parts of the game!!!
To night was a prime example of why he is a bad plaayer at the moment
1) Almost being a player then diving to try and win a free kick when a pass/shot or forward drive would be much better for the team
2) His apparent lack of wanting to pass to other forwards - i spooted it against leigh and again at forest green - but second half he passed the ball to luke or Darbys 4 times - and he was playing in the creative hole behind the front where we want him to play the killer ball
3) his big mouth - had a go at luke and Ddarby second half but wold Darb where to go after cramb passed up a do chance to play him in after darby complained
4) Ohhhhh the off side problems he has - he must be of 10 times a half a moment - and hes just not clever enough to see it.
5) the tendancy to do something clever when the simple pass is needed
6) the amount off posesion he gives away compared to Darby or Rodgers (or even Tolley)
7) the lack of chaseing down balls and fighting for everything
8) Wasting et peices by taking silly quick one or pulling short at corners which never works
9) The lack of ability to head a ball
I could go on about his winging to the papers and upseting ither players (jemo esk)
He must take a back seat again for a while, give banim ago as the 3rd striker or just try anything else
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 17, 2004 1:36:39 GMT 1
Good Post Glyn.
Feel better now ;D
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Post by goindownthewylecop on Mar 17, 2004 1:37:58 GMT 1
I'd go further.
get rid of him and sign a striker that will put some heart in, because we need more HEART in our team!!!
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Post by Stue_P on Mar 17, 2004 1:40:24 GMT 1
I've stood by Cramb a few times, but no longer will i defend the lazy $hit! He just doesn't look like he wants to play! So its simple! DONT PLAY HIM!
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Post by faginy on Mar 17, 2004 1:43:16 GMT 1
pricey, you are surely having a laugh after that performance from the whole team, how can you single one player out? cramb was not the best player out there tonight, but he certainly wasnt the worst. running the risk of upsetting the DDAS massif, what exactly, apart from goal, did Darby bring to the game tonight? he was mostly anonymous throughout the 90 minutes. i am disappointed with the whole team, and i think starting a thread abusing a player who has scored 14 goals this season and put us where we are in the league is a joke, and quite frankly pricey, and in all seriousness, this deserves 2 wagging fingers and 2 shaking heads.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 1:50:40 GMT 1
If I had to pick the worst player out there tonight I would go with Cramb. There were many poor performances but his total lack of interest and the V sign he flicked at some Town fans make him tw@t of the day. Whats the matter Colin, don't want to mess your hair up? Jump for the fcuking ball.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 17, 2004 1:51:20 GMT 1
fagin - if you see i went through the whole slagging of of all (even darby ) earley - but come on that was the worst that cramb has played this season As for Darby and Luke - what do they bring - they keep the ball and can pass simple balls that keep moves going - dont waste posesion and play with the rest of the team, even tonight It is intresting that early in the season it was ok for Cramb to play bad as long as he scored accoring to you , but when DD has an Average game like tonight (again the only one (and luke) showing fight - see him at half time ranting at the ref and looking really p**sed of with the way it was going) and scores its not I dont think you will ever see the problems that Crmab brings to the team and we know eatch other - and you know im not makeing this up its how i feel - i simpley dont see how on this form he justifies a place and mate its not like im the one loan nutter that is saying this - many people are voicing concerns on here and more and more vocally at the match - tonight - cramb got the biggest pasting of the fans in the area i was on - hence this thread is valid cos i belive that he ws the most dissapointing tonight in most fans eyes - any way dont you wag fingers at me or i will get your knee again on Thursday
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Post by Dale on Mar 17, 2004 1:51:30 GMT 1
Only striker to come out with any credit is Rodgers.
My team for Saturday based on tonights performance (barring any new signings we might make before then which we desperately need)
Howie Moss Tinno Ridler Sedgemore Edwards O' Connor Tolley Fitzpatrick Banim Rodgers
Subs Cramb Darby Hart Drysdale Lowe
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Post by welshdan1 on Mar 17, 2004 1:52:37 GMT 1
I agree cramb is lazhy but is still a good fotballer. If quinn cant get him to play then he should stop picking him.
However in my opinion Darby was awful tonight. He did nothing in the first half and apart from score th goal hardly did anything in the second half either.
The only player out there who looked dangerous was luke rodgers tonight.
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Post by goindownthewylecop on Mar 17, 2004 1:53:30 GMT 1
Cramb was without doubt the worst Town player tonight. even Street showed some bottle.
Cramb thinks he's in Serie A, diving, moaning, not wanting to challenge for balls.
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Post by DiggerDave on Mar 17, 2004 1:55:13 GMT 1
it was obvious that you g pricey were going to come on here tonight and slag cram off and praise darby .he scored one goal ,did f all the rest of the night.Crammy has done that on several occasions and still you slag him off.Neither Darby or Cramb were good enough tonight ,only Rodgers looked like capable of getting anything.Colin Cramb is as good as Duane Darby at this level which at the moment appears not to be good enough for the Conference
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 17, 2004 2:01:57 GMT 1
errr where did i praise darby - he was im afraid to say crap tonight but he DID keep going and was no where near as bad as cramb tonight!!! I you could not see that them you must have been watching a diferent game
As i said i might be the most vocal of the cramb critics but not the last - not by long way - all along i have said that i would love for him to prove me wrong - but at this rate we will have p**sed our play off chances away - and it will be too late and as for slaging cramb of after a a average game - ind me a thread where i had a go at him on Sat??? or from against Burton!!!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 17, 2004 2:03:54 GMT 1
I'd revert to 4-4-2 and keep with it to the end of the season. I'd play a balanced side too.
Is Tolley fully fit? I wouldn't play anyone who's fitness I had a doubt about.
I'd remind Darren Tinson of his responsibilities as captain as well.
Cramb needs to be "rescued" from the mindset he has currently. He needs to break the negativeness that he is carrying in his head.
I'd have to have a good look look at them in training before deciding on the starting XI. My first thought would be to have a look at:
Howie Moss Ridler Tinson Sedgemore G Tolley Lowe O'Connor Fitzpatrick Cramb Rodgers
But its the coaching staff where the changes mostly need to be made. There needs to be a different voice in the dressing room - God knows the players need it.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Mar 17, 2004 2:09:26 GMT 1
On tonight's performances I think Mr Can't Jump Won't Jump Cramb and Dither Bottle Jamie have to share worst player award . Darby I thought used his strength to hold it up well 1st half but did almost nothing apart from score in the second. Luke & Jody anyone?
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Post by shrewinjapan on Mar 17, 2004 2:12:51 GMT 1
Agree about Tinson too Sean. He seems a bit arrogant and wouldn't surprise me if Howie ended up taking a swing at him during a match like the infamous Batty & Le Saux scrap.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 17, 2004 2:14:58 GMT 1
Yes I would like to see Howie swing for him
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 2:37:05 GMT 1
Aye, Tinson's attitude towards Howie (and anyone else who makes a mistake) is not the best for a captain.
Agreed about Cramb, he was píss poor tonight - how many times has he played well in the last 6 weeks?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 2:40:24 GMT 1
Cramb was poor again tonight - he's got so much talent and just seems to waist it. really dissapointed with the lad, he just can't seem to be arsed to chase after balls through, hasn't been linking up well with players and is too blumin greddy
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Mar 17, 2004 2:44:15 GMT 1
I'd revert to 4-4-2 and keep with it to the end of the season. I'd play a balanced side too. Is Tolley fully fit? I wouldn't play anyone who's fitness I had a doubt about. I'd remind Darren Tinson of his responsibilities as captain as well. Cramb needs to be "rescued" from the mindset he has currently. He needs to break the negativeness that he is carrying in his head. I'd have to have a good look look at them in training before deciding on the starting XI. My first thought would be to have a look at: Howie Moss Ridler Tinson Sedgemore G Tolley Lowe O'Connor Fitzpatrick Cramb Rodgers But its the coaching staff where the changes mostly need to be made. There needs to be a different voice in the dressing room - God knows the players need it. Sean, that is the best post I have read from you in a long long time. I'm afraid I have to say I quite often disagree with what you put (but hey that's opinions isn't it). But you have it spot on here my friend. I would only disagree with a couple of the selections you make, but make it 4-4-2 AND LET OTHER TEAMS WORRY ABOUT US, not the other way round. As it stands I really don't think the players know what the hell they are supposed to be doing half the time. They are trying to find their feet and supposed role, which is playing right into oppositions hands. Oh and one last thing JQ. When we are winning and in control of a game - DON'T DAMNED WELL TELL THE PLAYERS TO DROP DEEP AND DEFEND WHAT THEY HAVE (as you were heard to do on Saturday). The best form of defence is attack.
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Post by blueblood67 on Mar 17, 2004 2:46:05 GMT 1
The problem with Cramb is he dosent run around for 90 minutes like a headless chicken,so town fans will never like him.He is easily the most skilful player at the club.Jemson was class but didnt run round like an idiot for 90 mins so the fans didnt like him.Then take Tommy Lynch,possibly the worst defender the club as ever had but he gave 110% and flew into challenges so the fans loved him,regardless of the fact that he was always caught out of position and gave away shed loads of goals,strange bunch town fans
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 2:48:47 GMT 1
Cramb isn't a patch on Nigel Jemson!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 2:52:57 GMT 1
I didn't agree with Jemmos falling over at every opportunity but he is 10 times the player that Cramb is. It was a sad day when Jemmo left the club. Watch what Cramb does when a ball is played in the air to him. He does not try to jump for it. He doesn't even move if the ball is falling short. He stands there and watches and it makes my blood boil.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 17, 2004 2:57:43 GMT 1
One thing about Nigel Jemson is that tonight he would have revelled in the physical challenge presented by the Telford team.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2004 3:00:28 GMT 1
There is no way Cramb can be compared to Jemmo.
Jemmo brought so much more to the team than Cramb.The majority of Luke's goals came from asists from jemmo and the bloke scored a large amount of goals himself.
Jemmo had the ability to turn a game and he really cared (although he acted like a t**t on the odd occasion)
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Post by LeeTUFC on Mar 17, 2004 3:00:49 GMT 1
how he didnt get booked for his constant diving and shirt pulling i dont know
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Post by faginy on Mar 17, 2004 3:02:39 GMT 1
how he didnt get booked for his constant diving and shirt pulling i dont know how Challis got away with a talking to after that first challenge on Rodgers, i'll never know then he goes in recklessly again
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 17, 2004 3:04:26 GMT 1
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Post by blueblood67 on Mar 17, 2004 3:48:52 GMT 1
Ant i agree,Cramb is not a patch on Jemson,the 1st time i saw Cramb i said he is a poor mans jemson,the point i am trying to make is Jemson was not popular with the majority of town fans(personally i thought he was god)cos they thought he was lazy and what ever cramb does ie leading scorer,makes a few wont be enough cos he dosent run round like a headless chicken for 90 minutes.but is touch and vision is head and shoulders above anyone else in the team
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Post by somersetshrew on Mar 17, 2004 3:56:08 GMT 1
Jemmo would have been useful in a game like tonight, the number of free kicks we had on the edge of the box..........
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Mar 17, 2004 4:15:20 GMT 1
Aye Sean it is another good post.
Stu Dunn said on the radio at H.T that Roland and the rest of the board members looked far from happy, and also commented on it again late on in the game.
They too are fans like us. I reckon they must be starting to wonder what the hell they have done in appointing Quinn.
That isn't blaming the board for giving him the job. After all his qualifications are tremendous. Unfortunately I really do now believe that the ability isn't.
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