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Post by Bilbo on Mar 15, 2004 18:15:13 GMT 1
Its rattled my cage all afternoon, in my opinion it should go and the Cynical_Shrew IP banned.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 15, 2004 18:16:17 GMT 1
I would hbe happy if the links were disabled and this idiot was banned - this thread has no place on here at all
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Post by harkaboy3 on Mar 15, 2004 18:20:58 GMT 1
its his oppinion. the fact that nobody else has agreed with him/her shows that their propaganda isnt working. to enjoy free speech we must also endure it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2004 18:22:19 GMT 1
Spot on Harkaboy.
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Post by Bilbo on Mar 15, 2004 18:24:06 GMT 1
The majority here have signed up for the red card scheme. Surely to allow this Biggot to publicise is propaganda goes against all our beliefs in the red card scheme
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 15, 2004 18:26:33 GMT 1
Kick rasisim out of football eh - oh but not on here - how 2 faced is this ps i want it deleated cos its ended up with them all dissagreeing with my high moral stance
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Post by pawlo on Mar 15, 2004 18:27:20 GMT 1
Hang on a minute. Wasnt there a bit of a debate a couple of weeks back about the burberry boys at the telford game chanting racist songs and the stewards down the meadow doing nothing to stop them. How can we say its ok for this nob to do his racist chanting on here, when we do what we can to get it banned down there
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Post by Theoneandonly on Mar 15, 2004 18:29:06 GMT 1
BNP?
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 15, 2004 18:29:37 GMT 1
Please point me to my racist post(s).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2004 18:30:49 GMT 1
But by leaving it up people get a chance to see just what the BNP are.
Take it down and many will be none the wiser.
Do you think the thread is going to attract more supporters of the BNP or ensure more people are aware of what it stands for and who represents it.
Surely that thread will show more people the ill practices and beliefs that the BNP stands for?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 15, 2004 18:32:37 GMT 1
Thats no justifaction for leaving it where it is ant - as many people who read that thread might think the the BNP is great!!!!
Did B and A sign up to the fans charter??
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Post by pawlo on Mar 15, 2004 18:34:49 GMT 1
Sorry Ant but disagree.
By the same token we should allow racist chanting down the meadow so everyone can see but a bunch of tits are singing it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2004 18:38:23 GMT 1
Hmm...
I'm far from convinced.
It may be a case of sitting on the fence on this one (as the voting has so shown) - maybe moving the thread to the archive board and then posting a message on here telling people they have a choice whether to read it or not.
My only question is why have people waited until now to ask for the thread to be moved when it was started nearly 5 hours ago?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 15, 2004 18:39:41 GMT 1
Fair enough - that sounds like a sensible compromise - i am offended and im sure pab is too - so that sould be reason enough to move it!!!!!
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Post by Bilbo on Mar 15, 2004 18:40:42 GMT 1
I will settle for that Ant
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 15, 2004 18:40:42 GMT 1
The problem with the BNP thread is a lurker might read an intelligent defence of patriotic parties and conclude that people who share the worldview are not all knuckle dragging morons.
I'm still wanting to be directed to my racist post(s).
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Post by Cuy Blue as an immigrant on Mar 15, 2004 18:43:19 GMT 1
I find it totally abhorrent that someone comes on the board and claims that they remain to be convinced that the Houlecaust happened. However, I don't feel that the thread should be censored - the debate of vile rhetoric is a sign of a strong democracy. Kick Racism out of Football - yes, boo at racist songs and if an individuals behaviour breaks the law, they should be arrested. The BNP thread should stay, as a reminder of the threat they pose.
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Post by Staly on Mar 15, 2004 18:46:29 GMT 1
1. Does this board have to be just about football? Not much to talk about there at the moment. We're not playing well, its frustrating.
2. The fact that it's run to so many pages shows people are interested, although I've not helped with that, I admit. Sorry if I've annoyed anyone- i get a bit wound up by these people. When someone says something that's patently wrong its hard not to reply. Living in Manchester I'm a lot closer to the realities of the BNP than some of you.
3. Censorship makes you sink to their level.
4. You don't have to treat it like a hot potato- nobody with any sense is going to take him seriously.
5. You don't have to read it....
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Post by petetheloon on Mar 15, 2004 18:46:30 GMT 1
I am in favour of the BNP and think we should have more in shrewsbury. Sure their petrol is a little expensive, but where else would I be able to buy late night sandwiches from on my drunken walk home on a saturday night? I think people should think before they post
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Post by Joe Totale on Mar 15, 2004 18:48:10 GMT 1
It's always better to show these people up for what they are rather than pretend they don't exist - sadly they do.
It shouldn't have been removed because we can't all see what a dick he is now.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 15, 2004 18:48:46 GMT 1
I find it totally abhorrent that someone comes on the board and claims that they remain to be convinced that the Houlecaust (sic)happened. . Really, who did that?
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Post by Staly on Mar 15, 2004 18:49:14 GMT 1
Bring back the BNP thread! Er, hold on a minute...
Joe Totale you haven't answered my Fall question yet.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 15, 2004 18:49:45 GMT 1
Cos,
Im a tolerant kind of guy, hes said his piece and most people have said theres, but that doesnt mean we should just let him carry on and let B&A become a mouth piece for this extremist and his friends. I would take the same attitude if a muslim came on here ranting about 9/11.
You have to draw a line somewhere. Freedom of speech is fine, but not if that speech is aiming to deny that freedom to others.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Mar 15, 2004 18:50:06 GMT 1
I am in favour of the BNP and think we should have more in shrewsbury. Sure their petrol is a little expensive, but where else would I be able to buy late night sandwiches from on my drunken walk home on a saturday night? I think people should think before they post Thank God for Mr Loon
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Post by grinfish on Mar 15, 2004 18:52:57 GMT 1
This is indeed a tricky one. To deny this person the privilege of posting is an option, however, if we don't talk about it, and present our opposition to the opinion expressed, how will others learn?
If I was going to buy Beef for Sunday dinner, and didnt know all the people invited were vegetarians, how would they know unless I told them beforehand, so they could tell me they didn't want it?
Not really a great summing up, but a rough analogy of the situation.
Because we don't want it, doesn't mean we can deny it's existence. The rise of National Socialism in Germany after WW1 was not considered a great enough threat, until it got out of hand. How many people openly discussed the fanatical minority branches of Islam in such detail in public before September the 11th? Would the security actions taken now have taken place before that event if discussion was more open to the masses?
Big subject, hard choice. Not voting Yes or No, but perhaps let the thread stand 24 hours, everyone can say their piece, then lock it and archive it with a "We do not condone" disclaimer.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 15, 2004 18:53:10 GMT 1
"The problem with the BNP thread is a lurker might read an intelligent defence of patriotic parties and conclude that people who share the worldview are not all knuckle dragging morons"
You are confusing patriotism with being white
you are suggesting being british is about the colour of your skin
you are also trying to suggest your intellectual / free society rhetoric can justify what is blatantly a racist position
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 15, 2004 18:54:47 GMT 1
Can i say that your originan offensive thread is in the arcive - can you all go there now - a fair compromise!!!! no censorship and nobody on the main board gets offended!!!
Its pretty resonable
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 15, 2004 19:02:55 GMT 1
We'll jolly well ignore these horrible racists, whose arguments are totally groundless anyway, but we'll not give them a platform then we'll jolly well... ...jolly well!
Then when Britain is deep in the beige mire we'll say "nobody warned us except those horrible Nazi racists"...
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 15, 2004 19:04:33 GMT 1
Whats so wrong with this country If you dont like it leave - oh hold on this would reqire you having to something!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2004 19:06:09 GMT 1
Have to be honest and find your comments on Britain 'turning brown' if not racist, liable to incite racial hatred.
A lot of what you post is not particularly offensive, it is what it hints at that I find reprehensible.
Also disappointed that the thread was moved though as it showed some excellent arguments which re-affirmed my faith in the good nature of the vast majority who use this board.
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