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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2004 7:22:54 GMT 1
Fair play - I miss one evening on the message board and now I haven't got a clu what's going on!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 21, 2004 9:23:46 GMT 1
basically someone posted something very naughty on buckschat
so they had their IP traced
and now they know who it is!
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Post by LeeTUFC on Feb 21, 2004 10:24:19 GMT 1
and now we're on a witch hunt
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 21, 2004 10:29:21 GMT 1
it'll sort itself out, these things always do
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Post by Pilch on Feb 21, 2004 11:35:32 GMT 1
my fault his name got out, i did give it to a telford fan and told him not to post it as the person involved would very likely apologise or give a simple explanation when they next logged on
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Post by pawlo on Feb 21, 2004 12:40:09 GMT 1
name and shame, and a pretty big apology required but unless the threat is a bit more realistic then I think involving the police is probably too much.
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Post by Norge on Feb 21, 2004 12:45:37 GMT 1
The post on telford board was made around the time people leave work therefore before naming we should leave until Monday evening so to give the suspect the chance to read his/her email or connect to the internet as he/she may not have the facility at home.
I only say this as it may be work colleagues and would be unfair to the individual.
Although, if this reason is given, maybe contacting the workplace would be acceptable??
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Post by Kickinpretty2 on Feb 21, 2004 13:50:24 GMT 1
I think it is disgraceful that a person has been publicly condemned before that said person has had a chance to defend the allegations made. It is also libellous to accuse someone of something that isn’t true. I suggest that LeeForJules apologises publicly to the said person. The laws of this land require that a person is innocent until proven guilty, the evidence submitted on this message board suggests that the evidence is circumstantial and therefore would not stack up if in a court of law. Lee you should apologise immediately for making the name public, it is not right and it’s not fair.
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Post by peterjones1 on Feb 21, 2004 13:52:04 GMT 1
I don't think Lee actually named the person in question actually.
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Post by kickinpretty2 on Feb 21, 2004 14:02:52 GMT 1
He was responsible for the name going public.
Whilst I don’t condone the messages left, I also don’t condone a witch hunt either in a free and democratic country, if we are going to resort to that kind of behaviour then its a very sad day for B&A.
Talking about informing his employers, offering his telephone number about is really something awful and i cant believe that so called level headed people that i have come to respect are stooping to such things.
Im VERY concerned also that a moderator of this site has broken privacy laws by revealing a registered members details to other members.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Feb 21, 2004 14:05:19 GMT 1
The persons name/username were never actually said
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Post by kickinpretty2 on Feb 21, 2004 14:10:36 GMT 1
JP - They were on the "THREAD YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MENTION!!!" thread which has been removed and also by private messages between moderators and other members.
Privacy laws are there to protect the indidvidual, any information that is stored by a third party cannot be disclosed to another without that persons consent.
The correct thing to was to send the accussed a private message, whilst this was done, it was then followed by revealing his information to other members and the ultimatley to the entire board - It is against the law to do this even if he is guilty which is unproven at this moment in time.
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Post by peterjones1 on Feb 21, 2004 14:15:44 GMT 1
You've just revealed the name again now Kickin!!! And besides I doubt too many people saw the thread before Ant deleted it...
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 21, 2004 14:23:15 GMT 1
Fair play - I miss one evening on the message board and now I haven't got a clu what's going on! Same here Phil. That will teach me to go play Golf for the day
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Post by kickinpretty2 on Feb 21, 2004 14:24:30 GMT 1
That was the name of the thread that named him, what else could I put? It’s also in the public domain now anyway. If a moderator would like to delete the name then that’s fine by me.
This does not get us away from the very big issues raised by that person’s information being publicly disclosed.
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Post by peterjones1 on Feb 21, 2004 14:28:11 GMT 1
I fully understand all the stuff you have said Kickin, all makes good sense. But I'm sure you can appreciate the full extent of the situation (I read the son of a Buckschat user has been well put off going by the stabbing threats) and although you are correct that the name shouldn't have been put in the public domain, I don't think anyone should apologise to anyone until the full truth of the situation is known.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Feb 21, 2004 14:48:23 GMT 1
JP - They were on the "THREAD YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MENTION!!!" thread which has been removed and also by private messages between moderators and other members. Privacy laws are there to protect the indidvidual, any information that is stored by a third party cannot be disclosed to another without that persons consent. The correct thing to was to send the accussed a private message, whilst this was done, it was then followed by revealing his information to other members and the ultimatley to the entire board - It is against the law to do this even if he is guilty which is unproven at this moment in time. By the time I went to bed, the name it was'nt on and this morning it had gone. The clues were there.
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Feb 21, 2004 15:03:29 GMT 1
Ants done a crackin job deleting the rubbish from this board, dissapointing that he is still named on the thread on the Telford board though. Come on Telford Admin, get it sorted
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Post by robspaceman1 on Feb 21, 2004 18:13:21 GMT 1
so who was it then? ;D
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Post by grump on Feb 21, 2004 19:08:39 GMT 1
the person is not named on buckschat just a clue as to who it is, i know someone who did a bit of a look up and found out that the ip address was infact one from a works place, that place is a local one not in shrewsbury mind, and manufacture food. i also know there is a few telford fans that read buckschat but never post, i know one of them is related to a friend of yours a local tory who is not flavour of the month on here, i imagine he would love a copy of it.
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Post by outsider on Feb 21, 2004 19:27:23 GMT 1
shut up everyone who cares anyway? the forums are littered with stupid comments and fight talk. all you have to do is be grown up and ignore them instead of making a song and dance about it. i cant believe how big a deal has been made of this. jsut delete the offending threads and move on. it really isnt that hard.
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Post by Theoneandonly on Feb 21, 2004 20:39:10 GMT 1
Tell me! Who was mentioned!
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Post by Norge on Feb 21, 2004 23:47:41 GMT 1
Talking about informing his employers, offering his telephone number about is really something awful and i cant believe that so called level headed people that i have come to respect are stooping to such things. I believe i may have been responsible for this (contacting employers). If you read my post carefully you will realise that i am defending the persons right for privacy until this can be explained, if this cannot be explained then it is fair to say that it would be a work colleague if the IP address is unique therefore why not contact the employer? It was a pretty threatening post after all. I don't see how you can defend it.
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Feb 21, 2004 23:59:55 GMT 1
Blimey! you go away for a couple of days and come back to find it's all kicking off big stylie!
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Post by kickinpretty on Feb 22, 2004 0:07:07 GMT 1
Norge - I am not defending the post or poster, i am defending a persons right to be innocent until proven guilty and also the right of every member of this board to have their personal information kept private.
Something i think you will agree is worth defending?
I will give you something to think about Norge - What if the person who has been accused of posting on BucksChat is actually innocent, but due to his private details being bandied about on here comes to some harm at the hands an angry Telford fan, or has some of his property damaged as a result?
The reason we have privacy laws is to prevent such scenarios happening, it was wrong for this persons details to be disclosed to the users of this board, it should have been dealt with by the moderators in private.
You cannot name and shame somebody unless you can be 100% sure that that person is guilty, even then he would be protected by the privacy laws of the UK so naming and shaming is illegal.
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Post by LeeTUFC on Feb 22, 2004 0:42:28 GMT 1
I think it is disgraceful that a person has been publicly condemned before that said person has had a chance to defend the allegations made. It is also libellous to accuse someone of something that isn’t true. I suggest that LeeForJules apologises publicly to the said person. The laws of this land require that a person is innocent until proven guilty, the evidence submitted on this message board suggests that the evidence is circumstantial and therefore would not stack up if in a court of law. Lee you should apologise immediately for making the name public, it is not right and it’s not fair. WTF?! im not apologising to anyone, i havent named the person once, i havent disclosed any of his details and i dont know his ip address. a telford fan started looknig into and found out all this stuff about him he asked if i wanted his phone number and i said no as i wasnt actually bothered at all - plus i havent seen a thread with the header as his name so how on earth are you blaming me? and you think the guy would come to harm from a telford fan? oh please, none of us are up for stabbing people or starting fights we want to watch football and i shouldnt have to go on a footy board of my own team and be personally insulted so what personal info has been released? we had a laugh on the board someone guessed his username - i didnt see ANY other info on him banded about so maybe i missed the thread. "on here comes to some harm at the hands an angry Telford fan, or has some of his property damaged as a result? " and whats to say that wont happen to me now i supposedly named him? he knows what i look like so am i supposed to be scared when walking around shrewsbury bcos some1 on here call me a tw@tand that they would stab me as im inbred scum? i forgot kickinpretty was such an angel so to some up i wont be apologising to anyone - thats me done on the subject i hope
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Post by Theoneandonly on Feb 22, 2004 0:44:56 GMT 1
Who was mentioned?
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Post by peterjones1 on Feb 22, 2004 0:52:25 GMT 1
We're not going to tell you TOAO, nothing personal obviously but you can see the fuss that's been caused by revealing the name so you can probably understand why it's important that nobody else finds out!
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Post by Pilch on Feb 22, 2004 0:58:10 GMT 1
don't mention the name we mentioned it once but i think we got away with it
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Post by peterjones1 on Feb 22, 2004 1:00:55 GMT 1
Quality
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