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Post by Liam on Jan 11, 2004 2:01:50 GMT 1
First off, I'll come right out and say that I'm a Cramb fan, and have been ever since that friendly against Derby. I know not everyone agrees, but I don't care. ;D
Anyway, it seems odd to me that the guy gets so much stick off certain sections of the crowd, considering he's both our highest and most consistent scorer this season. The likes of Aiston and Rodgers, and even Banim, who still has much to prove, get cheered to the rafters and songs sung in their hnour every game - even when they turn in an average display - but Cramb gets very little adulation, however well he does.
Not only is this rather unfair, it's also counter -productive, since it's not hard to see that Mr Cramb is a moody git, who's obviously going to notice this. He's also likely to respond by getting resentful and sulking, and when he gets in that sort of mood, he's bloody useless.
Nigel Jemson, also a difficult character, but a hero to most of us, was definitly a guy who was more likely to work hard and turn in a decent display when he was encouraged rather than moaned at, and I reckon Cramb would be the same.
We should definitely try to come up with a better salute for him than the occaisional, very muted chant of 'Colin Cramb, Colin Cramb....' muttered every one game in five
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 11, 2004 2:05:37 GMT 1
scored lots of goals in lots of games
get behind him
he's worth a lot of points to us
sort it out
if he did have the extra pace / workrate we desire he would be playing in Div 1 still. as it is we have a good footballer and a consistent footballer
quit yer whinging and get behind him
Cramb's a legend! ;D
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Post by Liam on Jan 11, 2004 2:11:12 GMT 1
if he did have the extra pace / workrate we desire he would be playing in Div 1 still. Exactly - it's like saying 'if Aiston could cross and shoot, he'd be a great player.' If Aiston was a great player, he wouldn't be playing in the Conference! It amazes me that some people expect perfection from every single attack. Of course it's not going to come of every time, but at least they've got the vision to try and, sometimes, it comes off.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 11, 2004 2:28:07 GMT 1
i don't think Aiston's gonna be in the conference much longer
he really is terrorising full backs every game
they have no answer to him
it is true, if he were a better player then he would be playing higher already
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 11, 2004 10:20:38 GMT 1
First off, I'll come right out and say that I'm a Cramb fan, and have been ever since that friendly against Derby. I know not everyone agrees, but I don't care. ;D Anyway, it seems odd to me that the guy gets so much stick off certain sections of the crowd, considering he's both our highest and most consistent scorer this season. The likes of Aiston and Rodgers, and even Banim, who still has much to prove, get cheered to the rafters and songs sung in their hnour every game - even when they turn in an average display - but Cramb gets very little adulation, however well he does. Not only is this rather unfair, it's also counter -productive, since it's not hard to see that Mr Cramb is a moody git, who's obviously going to notice this. He's also likely to respond by getting resentful and sulking, and when he gets in that sort of mood, he's bloody useless. Nigel Jemson, also a difficult character, but a hero to most of us, was definitly a guy who was more likely to work hard and turn in a decent display when he was encouraged rather than moaned at, and I reckon Cramb would be the same. We should definitely try to come up with a better salute for him than the occaisional, very muted chant of 'Colin Cramb, Colin Cramb....' muttered every one game in five Couldn't agree more Liam, i'm also a very big fan of Cramb and was amazed to still hear some people moaning at him yesterday! He's one of our key players this season for sure
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 11, 2004 11:59:52 GMT 1
Hold on - in fairness again people are being told who and how to support the team again here - i personally think cramb (like most of the players this season) has been hit and miss - and to watch is an infuriating player when one min he plays a class ball then kicks it straight out of play. I watched the game yesterday and he was poor (although the pen was better than at scunny!) many times hes just wondering aroung and for 10 min strachs the team carry cramb. Im starting to think that Rodgers and Darby is the way forward and sorry but cramb wil have to take a bcak seat. Thant said i can see why he is highly rated - but the reason that rodgers, Banim and others gett cheered is that there is a persepition that they try harder/care more than cramb and that has only come about because of the way cramb plays!!!
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Post by RuytonShrew on Jan 11, 2004 12:05:06 GMT 1
Leading goalscorer with 13, creative player. Like Jemson but younger. I don't see what there is to moan about. Best signing bar Tinson that Quinn has made, for me...
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Post by faginy on Jan 11, 2004 12:05:12 GMT 1
"i personally think cramb (like most of the players this season) has been hit and miss" Surely with 13 goals, in 13 different games he is one of, if not our most consistent performer
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 11, 2004 12:12:34 GMT 1
Out of every one on this board i dont think i can reason with you about cramb looking at the bottom anf side of your post!!!!!!
Just one Question - Are you happy with the way cramb is playing -
If No point proved If yes do you belive there is more (much more) in him
If yes then why the hell does he keep being average as he is one of our most talneted players If no Point proved
PS Do you remember the petulant lazy crap cramb of games such as the daggers and Margate,
Dont get me wrong i would love him to prove me wrong and rip this division and defences to peices - but i dont see it happneing to level we require to get us back with chester!!!
Dearby and Rodgers for Front 2!!!!
Also you cant think that he has been more consistant than Tinno, Astion, Riddler, Mossy, Tolley - goals are not everyting in a team performaces and any of the players mentiond would be a bigger loss than cramb1
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Post by Paul Williams on Jan 11, 2004 12:14:26 GMT 1
Gpricey- >:(I just cant believe you were watching the same game as me yesterday if you think Cramb was poor. My opinion (shared by the manager- quote "unstoppable") is that he was excellent. I have a friend who is a Doncaster fan- he told me when Cramb signed for us that he really liked him when he was at Donny, especially when he ran at people- although there was a section of fans there too who got on his back. He has been the pick of our strikers so far this season and the aim should be to find the perfect formation up front with Cramby at the heart of it. If ever we can accomodate Cramby, a fitter Banim and a back to form Luke in the same team, then look out- it will be someone else's turn to be on the end of a thrashing- cup weary AStanley perhaps
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Post by RuytonShrew on Jan 11, 2004 12:16:11 GMT 1
13 goals, gpricey. 13 goals. He has to be first striker on the teamsheet. He has outscored Rodgers this season. If he did all the things you are asking he would not be a Conference player. For the level we are at, he is very, very good. He's on target for 25+ goals this season which would be an excellent return from a player who creates plenty too. He played behind the front two yesterday and was instrumental in releasing Aiston and Darby on numerous occasions. We are a poorer, less imaginative team when he is out.
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Post by faginy on Jan 11, 2004 12:19:13 GMT 1
Out of every one on this board i dont think i can reason with you about cramb looking at the bottom anf side of your post!!!!!! Just one Question - Are you happy with the way cramb is playing - If No point proved If yes do you belive there is more (much more) in him maybe i am a bit biased ;D in answer to the question, yes i'm happy with how he's playing, scoring goals, creating goals & chances - what more do you want for a 29 year old journeyman striker ?
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Jan 11, 2004 12:24:01 GMT 1
Cramb was class yesterday his build up and approach play was supurb, he held the ball up , brought others into the game talked consistantly throughout, encouraged and gave advice to the youngsters , got us the peno, scored it and would have had another if the keeper did'nt push that clever shot he made round the post. When Jody Banim arrived at the club he stated that in training no one worked harder than Cramb.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 11, 2004 12:28:19 GMT 1
The point is that i dont wnat anything from him - I still belive luke to be the best player at the club and he will have to start when fit - then Banim and Dearby also have good calls to play - yes cramb has got goals but lest be brutally honest a player of the qulaity of cramb should be getting 25+ in this leage - its so bad. remember luke and dearby had been carrying knocks for most of the season -
I would also like to make it known that i have never given cramby any stick at the medow ever its just i dont think he is ever going to read this thus my comments are harmless and its just expressing and opinian
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Post by Paul Williams on Jan 11, 2004 12:32:35 GMT 1
Well Gpricey- you seem to be in a minority- watch with your blinkers off next week and come back to us with another opinion
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 11, 2004 12:37:27 GMT 1
I will say one thing - he miles better at home than away - i just cant forget the poor games he has had this season and will probably play and score at home to accrington but then go missing up at Halifax!
I promis that if he goes on a good run of goals and pushs town up the table i will come on a apoligise for this rant today!
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Post by Paul Williams on Jan 11, 2004 12:56:08 GMT 1
OK truce- cant say fairer than that and me the same if he disappears into the 2nd team and onto the transfer list- Up the Shrews
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 11, 2004 13:10:18 GMT 1
Can't understand why people would want to moan at Cramb yesterday, he had a very good game!! Him and Aiston were by far the best players on the park!!
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Post by True_Shrew on Jan 11, 2004 13:30:32 GMT 1
Boo Gpricey Booooo He's the only striker who's been consistant in front of goal this season, unlike your goodself.... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by skunkie on Jan 11, 2004 13:48:35 GMT 1
Cramb plays with the style of a player who has played much better football than the conference ,gamesman ship,being able to mix it and that uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time,everyone of our team have had an off day ,but without his goals where would we be in the conference now?.But he has to watch the competiton from the free scoring....Billy The Fish Rigby
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Jan 11, 2004 13:52:45 GMT 1
Wasn't it Justin Fashanu that said "Get behind Cramb" or am i mistaken?
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Post by Reverend on Jan 11, 2004 14:32:33 GMT 1
I wish some people wouls stop watching lower league football with Glasses made from 'SKY Premier football' Camera's give a very different perspective to a game, and stop expecting some players to play like those on the TV, they can't, if they could then obviously thats where they would be.
Back Cramb, back em' all
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Post by Liam on Jan 11, 2004 14:40:09 GMT 1
Pricey - less a case of telling people how to support the team, more of a case of trying to get them to support the team at all.
I often sit in the Wakeman, where there's a lot of Cramb haters, and most of them literally won't even applaud when he (and it is judt him) sticks the ball in the net or plays a decent through-ball, but are quite happy to bollock him for a misplaced pass. In the whole team, only Gregor gets similar treatment.
All I'm saying is that I don't think Jemmo would have been half the player he was if he hadn't known that most of the fans loved him - he had a big ego. Cramb's the same, and I think he might try harder on occaision if he felt motivated to do it.
You could certainly knock this as a character flaw on Cramb's part - to be honest, it probably is - but at this level we can't afford to be all that picky, so I just think it'd make more sense to do what we did with Jemson and humour him a bit. ;D
I do agree, btw, that he's usually better at home, although there have been away matches where he's played very well - Aldershot, for example - so it's not just a simple case of him not bothering away from home.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2004 15:24:22 GMT 1
Is it a coincidence that when Cramb plays well the team win and when he plays poorly we are cr@p?
He is a very influential player.
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Post by welshshrew5 on Jan 11, 2004 16:00:28 GMT 1
He did perfectly fine yesterday.But he has been hit and miss. No doubt about it. How did he play last week? I'm surprised to be reading on this board at the moment how incredible Cramb and Darby have been this year! Let's see how the next few games go eh?
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 11, 2004 16:02:51 GMT 1
Where has anyone said how incredible Darby has been this year?
There's been plenty of praise for his performance yesterday and quite rightly so in my opinion
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Post by Paul on Jan 11, 2004 16:38:48 GMT 1
Although Cramb is our leading scorer and arguably one of our most influential players I can see why people criticise him.
He has got that Jemson streak in him which some people love but some people take a dislike to him. He has a certain arrogance around him when he has a ball and he either seems to play a superb pass or gives it to opposition. Again like Jemson doesn't chase back much and has a knack of getting into petulant arguments with the opposition and the referees.
What would be interesting would be to see his chances to goals ratio as a lot of people commented that although he has 12 goals some people (pro and anti) have commented that he can be wasteful in front of goal (didn't they say that Andy Cole needed 5 chances to score 1 goal?).
Personally Im undecided, just like I was with Jemson, on their day they can be awesome but on other days they are non-existent. But what I will agree with is that their are some people who dislike Cramb that much if he does something good they won't applaud it (again very much like with Jemson). I may criticise players but I will give players praise when it is due and I can't slag him off with 12 goals to his name so far.
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Post by How Soon Is Now? on Jan 11, 2004 17:59:39 GMT 1
I think one of the things that can put people against Cramb is his body language often gives the impression that he's not interested, even when he is.
To me, Cramb looks comfortably one of the best players in this division and to me he is one of the better siginings that I've seen at the Meadow for a while.
And inconsistent? Didn't he score in something like eight consecutive games at one point this season?
He can be wasteful on occasions but what striker in this division isn't, that's why they are playing at this level. In the two games against Northwich, Banim missed two of the biggest sitters I have ever seen but in the fickle eyes of a football fan some players can do no wrong whereas others would have to be scoring almost every week to get any credit (oh hold on a minute....)
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 11, 2004 18:02:02 GMT 1
Spot on there owd lad
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Post by drayton1 on Jan 11, 2004 18:11:28 GMT 1
i've got to agree 100% with ChrisH, without Cramb in the team we don't look as good
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