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Post by Joe Totale on Dec 11, 2003 22:40:12 GMT 1
I see that Kidder have massively hiked their prices for the FA Cup game with Wolves.
Basically if you don't have a season ticket you have to.
1. Go to the Orient match (£12)
2. Buy a programme with a voucher in it. (£2.50)
3. Hope you can then get a ticket for the Wolves game (cost £30 - usually £15)
but it doesn't end there - the club then insist that you pay for the next FOUR home games UP FRONT. (£60)
TOTAL COST: More than £100.
I'm all in favour of club's cashing in on their big day but Kidder are taking the p*** on this one - they should be ashamed of themselves.
If I wasa supporter I could just about swallow doubling the cost of the ticket but all the other stuff is appalling. This is hardly the way to win friends and let's face it they need them.
I hope Wolves beat them 10-0 - the money grabbing b******s.
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Post by blueandamber on Dec 11, 2003 22:43:07 GMT 1
Greedy and pathetic.
It's so stupid I can't believe it.
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Post by Joe Totale on Dec 11, 2003 22:50:02 GMT 1
It's not even as if they're playing anybody any good. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2003 22:55:26 GMT 1
It's a disgrace.
Also - Wolves have been allocated a mere 1000 tickets for the tie despite the capacity of Aggborough being over 6,000.
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Post by wibbin on Dec 11, 2003 23:03:45 GMT 1
Also - Wolves have been allocated a mere 1000 tickets for the tie despite the capacity of Aggborough being over 6,000.
dont the clubs have to give 25% of the ground up to visiting supporters in the FA cup?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2003 23:10:04 GMT 1
that's an absolute discrace - what are they playing at? A match like the one against Wolves should be a way for Kiddie to make a great day of it and as a result improve their sub-standard league attendances; instead I would imagine they will turn people away.
£30 to watch Kidderminster? - you're having a bubble!
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Dec 11, 2003 23:24:38 GMT 1
Didnt they play them pre season too?
F that for a game of soldiers is what I would say.
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Post by ShrewsandRoyals on Dec 12, 2003 0:03:18 GMT 1
What's worse still is that is is just before Christmas - a further kick in the teeth. I can see the logic in a couple of extra games, Reading did that at the end of the season to guarantee a ticket for the last game/playoffs. There would always be some space for those that didn't, to take their chance. Kiddy have taken it too far though.
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Dec 12, 2003 0:10:24 GMT 1
This is a real kick in the teeth for the Kidderminster fans, the club don't deserve any loyal support if that's how badly they treat them They've even made an awful attempt to justify it! www.harriers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10438~461347,00.html?ptvParm=
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Post by Pilch on Dec 12, 2003 3:05:41 GMT 1
i remember someone else doing the same oxford? i think before their new ground they even installed extra seats but after a 100% price hike they never even got within 1000 of their average att
saying that i really think stfc should have not sold the extra priority cards last season (after the draw against everton) but instead hiked the price of a ticket by £5 to all those who never had one
more money would have been made and the same could have been done v chelsea
my first mention of that this season ;D
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 12, 2003 9:45:01 GMT 1
Hang on!!! Where's all this come from?!?! Each and every time we have a match thats all tickets all you lot are moaning and groaning about not being able to get a ticket and that other regular 'loyal' fans will miss out?!?! Well it seems to me that any Kiddie fan who is a loyal regular supporter has nothing to worry about as he'll (or she'll) be putting that money to the club anyhows (as they will be attending the games just buying their tickets in advance)...
As they say on their web site...this system has been designed so supporters who will continue to follow Kiddie (i.e. loyal, regular supporters) throughout the remainder of the season will have an improved chance of getting a ticket. If there are any left then they go on general sale...yes it's a kick in the pips to put that money up front but I agree with the ticket system that have put in place...
However, 30 pounds is a lot of money...I think they have gone a tad too far expecting supporters to pay that for one game. I mean we, Shrewsbury Town, have to pay 12 pounds to watch non-league Conference football (I'm still can't believe I'm gonna have to pay that come the 20th to watch Shrewsbury Town versus Burton) but charging 30 pounds for a ticket for Kidderminster versus Wolves is asking too much of supporters...and yet you know it'll be a full house...
I guess they can argue that these games don't come around too often and they are, I understand, not in the best financial position...I guess they have to make the most of it while they can?
I agree with the scheme they have introduced but not the price of the tickets...
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Post by texmexshrew on Dec 12, 2003 9:51:10 GMT 1
However, 30 pounds is a lot of money...I think they have gone a tad too far expecting supporters to pay that for one game.
Too right. They are taking the fans for a ride on this one. There are other ways of extracting cash from the customer. The fact that they are not doing too well financially should not be used as an excuse to hike prices like this.
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Post by ShrewsandRoyals on Dec 12, 2003 10:21:20 GMT 1
Yes Stutt, loyal fans would be going to the games anyway. However, while I am fortunate enough to be able to just put my hand in my pocket and fork out in one go for as many as we need to cover the family should Town do it, many couldn't. Especially at this time of the year. I bet if it was Town that had done this the week before Christmas people would be up in arms for them taking it too far. It's about the balance being right and there is a fine line between making sure loyal fans get the priority and exploiting those same loyal fans by holding them to ransom. If clubs had clear policies at the start of the season, and stuck to them, everyone would know what to expect.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Dec 12, 2003 10:24:30 GMT 1
I'd pay 30 sheets. It's the best chance they'll ever get of knocking out a Premier team ;D
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 12, 2003 11:02:47 GMT 1
I see what you mean ShrewsandRoyals and it is unfortunate with regards to the timing...but a Kiddie v Wolves ticket would make a lovely Christmas present for any Kiddie fan wouldn't it eh? They'd be well made up finding that in their stocking come Christmas day!! Done the people of Kidderminster a favour if you ask me...cos I haven't got a clue what to get me folks for Christmas!! ;D
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Post by True_Shrew on Dec 12, 2003 12:14:28 GMT 1
I don't agree Stutty, families who go week in week out are going to be losers on this occasion- money is tight at the best of times in this festive period without having to fork out £££'s just to get a family to watch the big match.
They could just about justify the leyton orient arrangement but paying for the 4 games in advance is a disgrace- it's called holding your supporters to ransom.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2003 12:40:22 GMT 1
If this happened at town, season ticket-holder or no season-ticket holder I'd think about teling the club where to stick £30. This isn't even about my football club yet i'm outraged by Kidderminsters decision. By allowing 'loyal fans' to gaurantee a ticket to this game they're charging them rediculous amounts of money
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 12, 2003 12:48:08 GMT 1
But thats money they will spend anyway isn't it? Cos they are loyal fans and will be attending the games that they need to buy tickets in advance for anyhows...or have I missed something? So it's like buying a 4 match ticket...and if your going to attend the game how does this hurt the supporter?
The only kick in the pips I see is that you have to pay yer money upfront...which does favour those loyal supporters that have a fair bit of cash rather than the loyal supporters who don't...
30 quid is too much though, thats for sure...thats going too far that...
By-the-by, anyone know how the Kiddie fans have reacted to this?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2003 12:53:14 GMT 1
£30 for a ticket is one thing that is exceedingly wrong. £20 for an under 16
How is that looking after the regulars?
this will put some of the 'die-hards' off as much as anyone else and kidderminster will lose out in the long run.
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Post by skipwithrob on Dec 12, 2003 12:56:48 GMT 1
I like the idea in principle. However, I think there should be some sort of payment scheme in order so that people paying for the 4 games upfront can pay over the 4 weeks or so. As a deterrent make whack down £20 deposit, and then before they go to the next game make them pay for the game after etc....
£30 for a ticket however is steap. But we must remember that their board isnt in the same position as ours, they get pathetic attendances no matter how well they do, they've seen a chance to acrtually break even, maybe een make a profit on this match and they've taken. Maybe if Kidderminster had been evergaing 3,500 a week or whatever the board would not have had to have done this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2003 13:07:39 GMT 1
I can see that they're trying to 'defend' the loyal supporters - however in no, way, shape or form have the KHFC board got this right.
So fans would plan to go to the next 4 games? Fair enough - but in requirement to get a ticket they must pay for those 4 games, plus the Orient game, plus their £30 on top.
That's around £100 up front just to get a ticket for the Wolves game - not to mention if the fan has a kid or partner who goes to the game too.
The reason many 'loyal' fans don't buy STs in the first place is due to having to put the money up front - £100 is a heck of a lot, especially at this time of the year.
A real shame for their fans that the club didn't plan for such an event at the start of the season... it sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2003 13:09:18 GMT 1
But we must remember that their board isnt in the same position as ours, they get pathetic attendances no matter how well they do, they've seen a chance to acrtually break even, maybe een make a profit on this match and they've taken. Maybe if Kidderminster had been evergaing 3,500 a week or whatever the board would not have had to have done this. Surely there are others ways for them to do this though? Anyone else remember the story about the Shropshire petrol station that, during the petrol crisis back in 2000, hiked up their prices because they knew they could get away with it. However when the crisis ended they lost a lot of custom because regular customers were hacked off with their pricing policy.
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Post by scooter on Dec 12, 2003 14:31:21 GMT 1
I don't think people have read the details. Stand tickets are £30, but teraace tickets are £20 (usually £12).
For £82.50 they see 6 Kiddy home games, including the Wolves match and buying the Orient programme. An average of £13.75 per game instead of £12.
Admittedly it is a bad time of the year for some people, but they will be bought by the regular supporters, and it will stop Wolves fans buying them in Kiddy.
Does anyone know what the reaction has been in Kiddy ?
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Post by Joe Totale on Dec 12, 2003 14:47:48 GMT 1
From what I gather a lot of Kidder die-hards aren't too bothered. They're season ticket holders anyway - they go to the Wolves match so they don't care.
The more casual supporter though is livid - and let's face it they're just the kind of fans clubs like Kidder need to be attracting.
This whole situation says a lot about the state of football. If the top clubs shared aroudn their stash a bit more Kidder wouldn't have to do this kind of thing.
It's a sad day when a child has to pay £50-80 to watch a cup tie - in reality many won't bother and Kidder will lose another generation of fans - serves 'em right.
My first ever game was Wolves v Town in the cup in '79 - I went to the game at Molineux and the replay at the Meadow.
If it had cost the equivalent of £50 back then I don't think my old man weould have bothered. Things like this are killing football.
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Post by sheffield harrier on Dec 12, 2003 15:36:03 GMT 1
I've been reading your comments with interest.
I think its important to remember that it is £30 to sit down (£20 concessions) and £20 to stand (£15 concessions). Personally, I think the price is too high and would have favoured something like £20 and £15. However, as some of you are aware, we are a club that is hardly awash with cash and the proceeds of this game could make us comfortable for the next couple of seasons. Also, you correctly point out that a club such as Kiddy should be trying to attract these floating fans to the club and charging so much is hardly going to do this. But, the club have worked hard over the past few seasons to try and promote the club by offering ticket deals etc etc and there have been many press campaigns to try and get these people through the gate regularly. Unfortunately, most people still prefer to watch Soccer Saturday than support their local team. Maybe the board have thought 'no matter what we charge, these people aren't going to return so lets try and make as much money as we can from them.' The loyal 2000 or so fans will either a) not mind paying £20 as the money goes to their club or b) moan about it and still pay the money and carry on supporting their club.
The 'buy 4 tickets' in advance scheme is there to deter Wolves fans from getting tickets in the home end because, lets face it, even the most ardent Wolves fan isn't going to be turned on by Kiddy v Macc in February. I agree though, that the club could have put some kind of 'pay by installments' plan in operation to offset such an outlay before Christmas.
My biggest fear though is that there simply won't be enough people taking up this 'pay for 4 tickets' plan and that tickets will have to go on general sale where we run the risk of Wolves fans getting hold of tickets. I really can't see more than 3500 turning out for Saturday's game v Orient.
Its a difficult one to call, but I think the club generally has the right idea. All true Harriers fans can see the reasoning behind making as much cash as possible. I just think the board have gone OTT with the prices.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 12, 2003 15:47:54 GMT 1
There you go then...top post that scooter...the season tickets holders have no issues, the die hards and the loyal supporters will have to pay a little more for a number of games this season but will defo get a ticket which is what the club wanted...and the 'more casual', fair weather supporter is going to have to chance it if there are any tickets left for general sale...
...I'm sure this is what most Town fans ask for when we have a all-ticket game?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2003 15:58:00 GMT 1
Point taken regarding the STH etc. but it would still píss off other big numbers.
1) It's a lot of money to pay upfront - especially so for a family.
2) What about exiles?
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Post by scooter on Dec 12, 2003 18:17:30 GMT 1
Ant I don't see an issue about exiles. The Orient game and the 4 later games are all on Saturdays. If the exiles (or anyone else) can't go thats tough.
They will probably find someone who will give tham a £5 for it nearer the time, the same as I will do with my season ticket when I am on holiday
Not sure why we are arguing about Kiddy. I think their big worry is Wolves fans in the Home end, and this scheme should help prevent it.
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Post by Joe Totale on Dec 12, 2003 18:49:31 GMT 1
You're right - it will prevent Wolves fans in the home end but it will also prevent home fans in the home end.
God help us all if this kind of thing catches on. Compare how we handled the Everton and Chelsea games with what Kidder have done.
What would you have rather happened? Their "watch us till you cry" policy or ours?
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Dec 12, 2003 19:50:51 GMT 1
I'm sure there's kiddy fans out there who dont have season tickets because of initial costs, so why should they stump up £100+ for future games. Also Central TV ran a story the other night about a birthday boy who's a regular fan aged about 8/9 his family pre booked 10 spaces in the clubs restaurant at the club including match tickets @ £35 a head, but were told by the Kiddy chairman the tickets are now £175 each and stump up or were gonna cancel them.They were forced to cancel. Total disgrace kidderminster Football club.
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