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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2007 17:57:56 GMT 1
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Post by monkeechicken on Dec 10, 2007 17:58:51 GMT 1
i agree that it is wrong for a particular posters views on stfc not to be heard because he supports a bunch of racsist thugs. if this happens then its up to the mods to stop it by deleting any offending posts. Vote Labour I think this remark is totally uncalled for. Just because you do not agree with someones politics, it does not give you the right to accuse them of supporting a bunch of racist thugs, as you put it.[/quote] there is evidence to support the claim that the bnp is sometimes a breeding ground for racist thugs but that is getting off the point. maybe we need to keep to the point of threads more as what is fair on a political thread is nothing to do with a persons view on the footy.
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Post by poirot on Dec 10, 2007 18:10:34 GMT 1
i agree that it is wrong for a particular posters views on stfc not to be heard because he supports a bunch of racsist thugs. if this happens then its up to the mods to stop it by deleting any offending posts. Vote Labour I think this remark is totally uncalled for. Just because you do not agree with someones politics, it does not give you the right to accuse them of supporting a bunch of racist thugs, as you put it.[/quote] Given the following extract, it appears that someone who is active within the BNP can, in all honesty be considered to "support a bunch of racist thugs" A mob of football hooligans and neo-Nazis who terrorised the Asian community of Glodwick, Oldham, in May 2001, were cheered as 'heroes' by their supporters in the gallery of a Manchester court this week, as they heard that they had been sentenced to just nine months imprisonment.
As the sentences were announced at Minshull Street Crown Court, Manchester, there were claps and cheers from supporters in the gallery for those in the dock and several shouted 'you are heroes' as the defendants were sent down. Well-known members of the British National Party (BNP) were also present.
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Post by mgkstfc1 on Dec 10, 2007 18:11:56 GMT 1
i agree that it is wrong for a particular posters views on stfc not to be heard because he supports a bunch of racsist thugs. if this happens then its up to the mods to stop it by deleting any offending posts. Vote Labor I think this remark is totally uncalled for. Just because you do not agree with someones politics, it does not give you the right to accuse them of supporting a bunch of racist thugs, as you put it. there is evidence to support the claim that the bnp is sometimes a breeding ground for racist thugs but that is getting off the point. maybe we need to keep to the point of threads more as what is fair on a political thread is nothing to do with a persons view on the footy.[/quote] There is evidence to support that Football can sometimes be a breeding ground for racist thugs but it would be very unfair if I or anyone else branded you or anyone else a supporter of racist thugs just because you support a football team. I agree this is not the place for this so it will be the last comment I make but everyone is untitled to support their own political party without being accused of supporting thugs. By the way, just in case anyones wondering, I have voted Labor for the last 30 years.
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Post by pawlo on Dec 10, 2007 18:13:16 GMT 1
i agree that it is wrong for a particular posters views on stfc not to be heard because he supports a bunch of racsist thugs. if this happens then its up to the mods to stop it by deleting any offending posts. Vote Labour I think this remark is totally uncalled for. Just because you do not agree with someones politics, it does not give you the right to accuse them of supporting a bunch of racist thugs, as you put it.[/quote] Yes it does. If i think the BNP are a bunch of racist thugs, and he supports the BNP then imo, he supports a bunch of racist thugs, or am i not allowed to air my opinions, the very thing i am standing up for him for. is this. OK, i am accusing the BNP of being racist thugs, and saying that someone on here supports them, which they have already openly stated. The rest of the sentence is totally supportive of this guys rights to be heard and have an equal say like everyone else. WTF. I APOLOGISE FOR MY USE OF THE WORDS RACIST THUGS AND WILL MODIFY MY ORIGINAL POST.
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Post by monkeechicken on Dec 10, 2007 18:23:33 GMT 1
I think this remark is totally uncalled for. Just because you do not agree with someones politics, it does not give you the right to accuse them of supporting a bunch of racist thugs, as you put it. there is evidence to support the claim that the bnp is sometimes a breeding ground for racist thugs but that is getting off the point. maybe we need to keep to the point of threads more as what is fair on a political thread is nothing to do with a persons view on the footy. There is evidence to support that football can sometimes be a breeding ground for racist thugs but it would be very unfair if I or anyone else branded you or anyone else a supporter of racist thugs just because you support a football team. I agree this is not the place for this so it will be the last comment I make but everyone is untitled to support their own political party without being accused of supporting thugs. By the way, just in case anyones wondering, I have voted Labor for the last 30 years.[/quote] nobody branded anybody as a racist thug, stop taking such liberties with the text. the bnp was the group that set up combat 18 to take care of security , i believe. look at them now. but we are getting away from the point of this thread. if you have an issue with something, start a thread about it. I just dont think it needs to be on a separate board.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 10, 2007 19:41:41 GMT 1
for the record i started the ultras board for a few reasons
it gave them chance to sort themselves out, they had a name then they didnt then they were not sure, the amount of posts was annoying several others, the same join the ultras face book thread appeared every day it even got to the stage where as many posts having a go at the ultras were appearing as posts from the ultras i decided the time was right to let them have a bit of space to plan things properly without having to argue their case more than necessary i also suggested it might be a good idea to just keep just one post on the main board as maybe an informative post and too let others know they are still there etc
i dont check the ultras room but i do now read the odd post that appears on the main board
i dont boo at games and i dont sing either ( i do moan on here a lot though ;D) but i love those grounds where the noise created by fans is more enjoyable than annoyable the singers at the gay meadow were sometimes annoying
the aldershot fans at stoke were so fascinating i wanted to join in and maybe if we can create something similar i'd join in too
so good luck to them
all i'd say is lets have some good old debates but instead of starting new threads try and keep a current debate going
when you look back at threads from the past the long ones are always worth a read
the ones that break out into several threads are soon forgotton and never see the light again
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Dec 10, 2007 20:04:08 GMT 1
I have seen off topic boards work on other forums with a lot of success. It is a way of keeping everyone happy. Those who just want to discuss football related items can do so with wading through a lot of stuff they are not interested in. Those who want a broader discussion can have it at the click of a mouse. Everyone wins.
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Post by mgkstfc1 on Dec 10, 2007 20:13:21 GMT 1
People can slag off politics as much as they like, but i would hazard a guess that some of the longest running, interesting and diverse threads on here have had political themes, be it in association with things such as the BNP or our local councils attitude towards the club. i agree that it is wrong for a particular posters views on stfc not to be heard because he supports a bunch of kind fluffy bunnies who embrace and enchant our beautifull society with their well thought out and inclusive political agenda. if this happens then its up to the mods to stop it by deleting any offending posts. (HAPPY?)i also agree that one of the strengths of this board is its diversity. Also, where do you draw the line? Do we have a seperate board for politics, you tube videos, polls, other sports, other teams, or is it that you just dont like politics (wow, a 16 year old who finds politics boring). Personally, i think it was wrong to give the Ultras there own board, just like politics, if you didnt like the thread title you dont read it. If you read it and dont like the content either go to another one or report it to a mod. Vote BNP I don't know if I would go so far as to say vote for the BNP (some people think they are a bit naughty at times) but your description of this man is superb, I could not have put it better myself, everyone loves a fluffy bunny
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Post by jamo on Dec 10, 2007 20:15:16 GMT 1
for the record i started the ultras board for a few reasons it gave them chance to sort themselves out, they had a name then they didnt then they were not sure, the amount of posts was annoying several others, the same join the ultras face book thread appeared every day it even got to the stage where as many posts having a go at the ultras were appearing as posts from the ultras i decided the time was right to let them have a bit of space to plan things properly without having to argue their case more than necessary i also suggested it might be a good idea to just keep just one post on the main board as maybe an informative post and too let others know they are still there etc i dont check the ultras room but i do now read the odd post that appears on the main board i dont boo at games and i dont sing either ( i do moan on here a lot though ;D) but i love those grounds where the noise created by fans is more enjoyable than annoyable the singers at the gay meadow were sometimes annoying the aldershot fans at stoke were so fascinating i wanted to join in and maybe if we can create something similar i'd join in too so good luck to them all i'd say is lets have some good old debates but instead of starting new threads try and keep a current debate going when you look back at threads from the past the long ones are always worth a read the ones that break out into several threads are soon forgotton and never see the light again Some fair points pilch. The seperate board thing though has narked a few. What i don't get is why they have to call themselves anything, can't they just be Town fans ? The very fact that they wish to name themselves sends out messages of elitism and will end up damaging the club's reputation rather than enhancing it. Where have we heard that before from a self named supporters group ? From the outside it looks like ( only looks like, don't know if it's fact ) that this group of fans have deliberately set about to overrun a decent and well respected messageboard for their own agenda which subsequently produced a huge drop in standards and a loss of enjoyment for a fair few loyal posters. Have a little think and tot up how many names you havn't seen post for a couple of month's. This board should be promoting inclusive behaviour and not the opposite.
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Post by mikeinsheff on Dec 10, 2007 20:52:03 GMT 1
Could we have a board for polls aswell?
(and that was polls not Poles before this thread goes o/t)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2007 20:56:50 GMT 1
From the outside it looks like that this group of fans have deliberately set about to overrun a decent and well respected messageboard Damn, we’ve been rumbled.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 10, 2007 20:59:37 GMT 1
i agree with the polls,not a seperate board but just a limited number, i have in fact earlier today sent some ideas to the rest of the admin but all i can say is the feedback is mixed so maybe no changes just yet
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Post by monkeechicken on Dec 10, 2007 21:04:56 GMT 1
Can we have a "peters out board" and also one for outside links as i know dr crippen hates that. Some people dont like the more sexist threads like the soccerettes so a misogynists board would be popular. in fact, if everybody has thier own board, then nobody has to see anything that they dont like, agree with or cant be arsed even seeing.
ffs, if you see something you dont agree with, defend your position or reconsider it. Anyone who is prepared to not bother because they see a few things they dont agree with cant have been that fussed in the first place. its a DISCUSSION board!
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Post by mikeinsheff on Dec 10, 2007 21:06:12 GMT 1
How about if people raise something that is off topic and fail to place O/T in the subject line, then it is automatically deleted by the Mods. It doesn't matter whether it is politics, golf, fave cheesy biscuits. If it is O/T then mark it O/T!! Oh and Mods do your jobs!! No need for a seperate board. Good post. If you are not interested in a particular topic, don`t read it. Moderators do need to keep a close eye on the political stuff though and I don`t envy them that task.
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Post by jamo on Dec 10, 2007 21:11:43 GMT 1
Moderators do need to keep a close eye on the political stuff though and I don`t envy them that task. That'll be irony then will it ?
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Post by mikeinsheff on Dec 10, 2007 21:31:03 GMT 1
Moderators do need to keep a close eye on the political stuff though and I don`t envy them that task. That'll be irony then will it ? Que? I think the large number of links to political websites should be a concern.
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Post by MarkRowley on Dec 10, 2007 21:44:49 GMT 1
No need for a separate board in my view, just needs everyone to try and be sensible and grown up (that may be where it fails then : Some of the most interesting threads are nothing to do with Town, after all there are only so many things about following a mediocre small football club that are interesting. It just needs everyone to follow a few basic guidelines, in addition to the Proboards rules and everything is fine. The fact that Town have been playing ****e for most of the season means everyone is a bit down in the dumps from a football perspective, and thus can be too quick to react as a "keyboard warrior". Just take 10 seconds to have a deep breath and engage brain to think before you type - it's not bloody difficult If we can try and show more tolerance and respect everyone's entitlement to an opinion (as long as that opinion is not illegal) that would be a great start, don't duplicate threads about the same thing, keep down the vitriolic personal attacks, and if registered users stop hiding behind guest names to try and have a dig (genuine guests are always welcome that would bring B&A back to being the excellent forum it was in the recent past for fans of any club, who we can hopefully persuade back to the board
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2007 23:09:29 GMT 1
"bnp is sometimes a breeding ground for racist thugs "
Sometimes monkee?
Care to explain yourself, there is no doubt the bnp ARE a breeding ground for racist thugs...
The problem for them is that they get to the point where they are possibly getting a wee bit of credibility, only for their hardcore base to let them down and show their true colours. Of course if they alienate this hardcore base there isn't much of a party left (not that there's much there now).
Having said that I am all for the bnp party, providing they stay within in the confines of the law freedom of speech and democracy go hand in hand, you can't start banning political parties just because they are detestable.
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 10, 2007 23:20:54 GMT 1
"bnp is sometimes a breeding ground for racist thugs " Sometimes monkee? Care to explain yourself, there is no doubt the bnp ARE a breeding ground for racist thugs... The problem for them is that they get to the point where they are possibly getting a wee bit of credibility, only for their hardcore base to let them down and show their true colours. Of course if they alienate this hardcore base there isn't much of a party left (not that there's much there now). Having said that I am all for the bnp party, providing they stay within in the confines of the law freedom of speech and democracy go hand in hand, you can't start banning political parties just because they are detestable. Can't Help Changing The Subject Again ...
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Post by monkeechicken on Dec 10, 2007 23:27:00 GMT 1
"bnp is sometimes a breeding ground for racist thugs " Sometimes monkee? Care to explain yourself, there is no doubt the bnp ARE a breeding ground for racist thugs... The problem for them is that they get to the point where they are possibly getting a wee bit of credibility, only for their hardcore base to let them down and show their true colours. Of course if they alienate this hardcore base there isn't much of a party left (not that there's much there now). Having said that I am all for the bnp party, providing they stay within in the confines of the law freedom of speech and democracy go hand in hand, you can't start banning political parties just because they are detestable. i dont tend to do absolutes. not sure if everybody who joins is a racist thug. according to his cohorts, salopthingie is a nice chap and not a racist. In my view, some are misguided or ill informed (as i am to them).
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Post by mikeinsheff on Dec 10, 2007 23:30:26 GMT 1
"bnp is sometimes a breeding ground for racist thugs " Sometimes monkee? i dont tend to do absolutes. not sure if everybody who joins is a racist thug. according to his cohorts, salopthingie is a nice chap and not a racist. In my view, some are misguided or ill informed (as i am to them). no, no. they had a `raghead `on a party political one a few years ago so they are not racist; fact.
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 10, 2007 23:33:13 GMT 1
Saloppride is one of the nicest, upfront guys you will meet and is not a racist; fact
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2007 23:40:11 GMT 1
im not saying he was.
And how am i changing teh subject? the subject evolved, i picked up on an ongoing strand of this thread, whilst also answering the initial question
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Post by stockportershrew on Dec 10, 2007 23:42:12 GMT 1
I'm not sure politics per se is the problem here (but I would say that wouldn't I -given I'm a politics lecturer). What has put me off in recent months is actually some of the supposedly STFC related threads with tedious debates about whether to sack the manager or not the constant repetition of the same points over and over again, along with the generally petty bickering and name calling.
I wouldn't bother having a separate politics board (not sure how you define that) you could have a general off-topic board though.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Dec 11, 2007 14:46:06 GMT 1
Politics or o/t subjects aren't the problem for me either but the poor quality of a substantial number of contributions is.
I find that I am reading the board less than I used to because I can't be bothered to wade through so many badly argued, repetitive and carelessly written postings.
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Post by philrouge on Apr 5, 2024 22:31:09 GMT 1
Don't you just love the good old days of blue and amber .
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