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Post by kickinpretty on May 15, 2005 22:03:21 GMT 1
A serious question.
What exactly are the income streams available to us at the New Meadow that are not available to us at Gay Meadow?
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Post by Pilch on May 15, 2005 22:07:04 GMT 1
2000 extra seats ;D
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Post by kickinpretty on May 15, 2005 22:07:52 GMT 1
and....?
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Post by Pilch on May 15, 2005 22:15:50 GMT 1
higher entrance fee for all those who like to stand bigger car park bigger function rooms exec boxes ? (i presume) bar inside ground supporters bar bigger club shop no problem with the river (i hope)
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Post by kickinpretty on May 15, 2005 22:18:34 GMT 1
So nothing that couldn't be provided for at a redeveloped Gay Meadow then....
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Post by Pilch on May 15, 2005 22:21:51 GMT 1
they could join the river i suppose and cut out the loop
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Post by Steve Rogerson on May 15, 2005 22:29:01 GMT 1
you can also raise the pitch
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Post by meoleshrew2 on May 15, 2005 22:35:16 GMT 1
From your point of view Kickin is the NM just a bit of showman ship for RM etc, if it was that easy, affordable and the income streams could have been provided at the ground the club already own then why 10 years of banging heads against SABC's wall, It doesn't make sence, I'm sure all STFC fans would have been delighted if we didn't have to move, I saw the original plans for the GM, it would have looked a mess for starters, a low roof over the tech end, seated by the way, the riverside couldn't be done to the plan as it involved massive concrete pillars being sunk into the river, so that would have to be reduced, the Wakeman as it is, and the station end 2 tier cantilever stand with a supporters bar underneath, so with the riverside being reduced it would reduce the capacity from 10 thousand to the present 8 thousand or less without the exits, as we still couldn't use Abbey gardens, and of course, floods..........
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Post by kickinpretty on May 15, 2005 22:44:58 GMT 1
Nothing is ever easy and the New Meadow proves that, but if all the effort had been put into redeveloping instead of building a non discript out of town nightmare maybe we would already be playing in a fantastic modern stadium at the best site in the country for a stadium.
There are not enough visionaries around im afraid to realise the potential that the Gay Meadow site affords, just people out to make a quick buck (including SABC) and with little thought for the fanbase.
Nobody has convinced me of the case to move, and the extra income streams argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on May 15, 2005 22:49:36 GMT 1
Nothing is ever easy and the New Meadow proves that, but if all the effort had been put into redeveloping instead of building a non discript out of town nightmare maybe we would already be playing in a fantastic modern stadium at the best site in the country for a stadium. There are not enough visionaries around im afraid to realise the potential that the Gay Meadow site affords, just people out to make a quick buck (including SABC) and with little thought for the fanbase. Nobody has convinced me of the case to move, and the extra income streams argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Why then are we moving? If it were that simple to stay at GM why not? Why is the majority wrong?
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Post by kickinpretty on May 15, 2005 22:58:27 GMT 1
Because somebody has had a dream to move the stadium away from Gay Meadow, lets face it, if the money was in place to redevelope would you want to move to Otely Road or stay put?
Its all down to money nothing more, if the will was there to stay we would be staying and redeveloping.
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Post by Lufbra Salop on May 15, 2005 23:11:15 GMT 1
Damn right its down to money, how do you see us paying for a redeveloped Gay Meadow when we're relying on selling the land it sits on to finance the deal in the first place?
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Post by rob on May 15, 2005 23:35:03 GMT 1
The club actually drew up plans to redevelop Gay meadow. Unfortunatly these are now unfeasable, and to be fair the club has the backing of all the important people (barring the actual pigheaded sabc councillors).
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Post by pistolrover on May 16, 2005 10:06:36 GMT 1
why dont the to wn build a bigger stadium. i dont believe that there is much ambition in a 10,000 all seater. darlington have been extremely ambitious and possibly a bit over the top, but why not build a 15,000 or somthing a bit bigger. our ground capacity will only increase by 2000.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 16, 2005 10:26:42 GMT 1
Gay Meadow - Exec lounge + sponsors lounge - pretty poor catering facilities. Players Bar, buffets
NM (from what i understand)
Fully equipped 300 seater carvery restaurant (and function room)
8 executive boxes (or is it 6?)
Larger club shop
Licensed buffet in each concourse - pie and a pint in the ground for everyone
196 seat Supporter's Bar
60 seater players bar
AND far more potential to use all those facilities through the week for meetings / conferences / weddings / parties etc etc etc especially with decent parking during the week
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Post by ratcliffesghost on May 16, 2005 10:37:41 GMT 1
- pie and a pint in the ground for everyone Shouldn't you use the plural there
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Post by john on May 16, 2005 10:54:42 GMT 1
I have found some ways we can re-develop GM:
Blow up the school Bulldoze the railway lines and flatten the land. use the access soil to fill in the river.
The costs though are a bit too much sorry
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Post by tattooshrew on May 16, 2005 11:43:03 GMT 1
Why is GM the best site in the country for a stadium. What is it that makes being stuck between the river and the railway and behind a school so attractive?
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Post by Guest on May 16, 2005 12:12:52 GMT 1
All the arguments for moving were put before and accepted by the (anti STFC) SABC COuncil. Do you really think if the arguments weren't solid that the thing would have been passed? Read the planning application on shrewsweb, all the info you need is in that!
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Post by scooter on May 16, 2005 12:22:35 GMT 1
Gay Meadow - Exec lounge + sponsors lounge - pretty poor catering facilities. Players Bar, buffets NM (from what i understand) Fully equipped 300 seater carvery restaurant (and function room) 8 executive boxes (or is it 6?) Larger club shop Licensed buffet in each concourse - pie and a pint in the ground for everyone 196 seat Supporter's Bar 60 seater players bar AND far more potential to use all those facilities through the week for meetings / conferences / weddings / parties etc etc etc especially with decent parking during the week When did the Supporters Bar increase to 196 ? I don't see any of that getting the club any more revenue from me, apart from a more expensive ticket , unless there is a proper bar that I can get a decent pint in. I MIGHT possibly use a larger club shop more often than just the Open Day. If they think I am giving them £2.50 for John Smiths Smooth or something equally crap they can think again. I will do without.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on May 16, 2005 12:27:31 GMT 1
All the arguments for moving were put before and accepted by the (anti STFC) SABC COuncil. Do you really think if the arguments weren't solid that the thing would have been passed? Read the planning application on shrewsweb, all the info you need is in that! Whats missing is what to do about fear of change, perhaps the club could consider councilors to help people firstly break the GM match habit, how to leave the favourite seat or standing spot, its going to be a huge upheaval for everyone, some are just coping better than others
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Post by mattmw on May 16, 2005 12:40:58 GMT 1
In some respects the New Meadow isn't about catering for existing fans - its also about attracting new supporters.
As previous posts have said most of the regular 2000 - 3000 town fans will watch the club regardless of where they play. What the club needs is to bring in new supporters, perhaps young families who get priced out of Premier League football, which is why new facilities, even things as basic as toilets with hot water are needed.
You might be able to provide basic facilities at a redeveloped Gay Meadow, but your be able to provde much better facilities at The New Meadow. The new grounds got to last us at least 50 years - a redeveloped Gay Meadow would struggle to do that.
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Post by x emz x on May 16, 2005 12:49:46 GMT 1
i think im right when i say, io really dont think the club shop is gonna be any bigger at the new meadow
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 16, 2005 12:54:00 GMT 1
I don't see any of that getting the club any more revenue from me, apart from a more expensive ticket , unless there is a proper bar that I can get a decent pint in. I MIGHT possibly use a larger club shop more often than just the Open Day. I estimate they will sell an extra 500-1000 pints a game the dearth of local places to drink will help this The revenue streams that will be opened up are not hugely aimed at the average fan, it look very much like the corporate / exec market is where they hope to increase their revenue, along with hospitality during the week At the moment I get entry for £12, and maybe a programme at £2.50 If I get a ticket for £14, couple of pints at £2.50 each and a programme at £2.50, then a bag of chips at half time for £1.50 then the club can walk away with quite a bit extra than what they currently get the supporters questionnaire results were clear that lots of money is spent ona matchday that is not spent with STFC,a nd even if the clubc an only attract a small section of this then it will still add quite a bit but it is the executive boxes and carvery were they are obviously hoping to generate some serious cash
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Post by scooter on May 16, 2005 16:40:40 GMT 1
I realise I am a bit of an awkward bugger, and I am sure some people will buy the beer, pies etc. but I can assure you I won't.
When I go to Oxford, Kiddy, Rushden, Rochdale (the first ones that come to mind) I could get a drink in the ground but don't because it is not as good as that available outside.
The potential should be there. but as you say, it will be aimed at the corporate people, not the average fan.
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Post by bristolloggerheads on May 16, 2005 19:02:19 GMT 1
Don't forget the creche that's open all week but closed on Matchdays!
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2005 19:06:08 GMT 1
The Gay Meadow has given me many memories which shall forever be with me when the Town move. But,to be brutally honest I can't wait for town to move to the new stadium because Gay Meadow is the biggest s**t tip of a stadium bar one or two, and an embarrasment to Shrewsbury Town as a Football League Club.
One fact I do know is that it would actually cost a lot more to redevelop GM into an 8,000 capacity stadium than the cost of building the NM.
I for one look forward to the new stadium with no regrets and as supporters we are lucky that this is happening to our club.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2005 19:11:40 GMT 1
I agree Foxie that the ground is a s**t hole due to years of neglect, and to be honest I accept the argument for moving.
All the enthusiasm has been punched out of me though and all I can see at the moment is a stadium where I can't get a comfortable pre-match drink, which I have to make increased effort to get to (which is the absolute reverse of what happens at most out-of-town stadiums) and which I'm still not convinced will be used to it's potential.
The current location of our football ground is absolutely perfect.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2005 19:29:36 GMT 1
The obvious good thing about the current ground is its location, centre of town with plenty of pubs nearby and relatively easy to get to. The facilities are of course dire.
The NM is going to be like any other new ground, a nightmare for the average fan. Its going to be a difficult to get to and theres going to be not a lot nearby. The ground itself will be a standard new ground which in other words means dull. And apart from being able to get a beer at halftime, going to toilet without holding your breath and being shouted down for standing up theres not going to be a lot of difference to us. When you put it like that is it any wonder people are reluctant to move.
Over the years there has been talk of wonderful facilities and transport links for the average fan, but lets face it, its not going to happen.
The whole point of the ground is about money, anti-NM people have been using this and I don't think you can argue with them. The club want to make more money and the easiest way to do that is get more corperate clients, in other words executive boxes, function rooms, restaurants etc. They aren't going to make loads by selling pints to your average fan at halftime. So as far as I can tell the whole NM experience for the average fan won't improve:
It will be more difficult to get to It will be diffiuclt to get a pint nearby It will be a dull ground You will have to sit down
But when money from the corperate clients rolls in and is hopefully invested into making us a succesful side then people won't care
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2005 19:36:07 GMT 1
Paul, You make your point about the corporate side, but do you think the Gay Meadow experience is an attractive proposition for a family
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