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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2005 11:57:53 GMT 1
Not unsurprising - he was never going to fight the next election.
Funny really, if the Tories now appointed Hague (had he not already been leader) they'd be well on the path to recovery.
Take away the ridiculous 'save the pound' agenda and the landslide envioronment and Hague would give Blair a pretty rough time.
Letwin or Davies then?
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Post by john on May 6, 2005 12:08:06 GMT 1
Its a pitty really, Howard is such a knob but also a comical figure to behold
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2005 12:10:32 GMT 1
That's fair enough from Howard - he's made the right decision. It's now timefor a new leader to take the party forward so that they can really threaten Labour at the next election
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Post by blue 44 on May 6, 2005 12:11:37 GMT 1
How about Ken Clarke or Malcom Rifkind next?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 6, 2005 12:11:39 GMT 1
By the look of him he would be dead by the next election in 4 years anyway!!! Im sure that the conservatives can make it a hatrick of utter stupid toff idiots to lead next time around again after Hauge and Howard!!! What about Boris!!!!
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Post by rob on May 6, 2005 12:15:45 GMT 1
I doubt it would be Letwin..
By the sounds of it, he's going to be about as leader for a while, at least untill the selection process is reformed and changed.
They need to look at the bigger people and choose the most mainstream character, not necceasrilly the most hardcore Tory
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Post by blueandamber on May 6, 2005 12:25:38 GMT 1
He looks like a badger wearing glasses. He wants to put more money into things like the NHS and into schools, but is lowering tax? what?!!?!?! get your maths correct michael. :
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Post by petetheloon on May 6, 2005 12:32:11 GMT 1
I'm with Pricey he has to be the next Tory leader, even i would vote for him and i hate the tories!!! Lets get Boris in number 10
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Post by mattmw on May 6, 2005 12:32:18 GMT 1
Next four years could be very interesting.
With the current first past the post system the Tories wont be in a position to get back in power for at least another election, maybe even two. (They needed to be on about 250 seats after this election)
However if they joined up with the Lib Dems and pressed for PR they would get a much better representation in government.
On the other hand if the Lib Dems and Labour move closer together, we could be looking at the end of the conservative party as we know it. Who ever gets the job of Tory leader will have some very tough decisions to make.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2005 23:32:52 GMT 1
The right move for the Tories.
Letwin as new leader? I hope not, he's a knob.
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on May 7, 2005 6:31:17 GMT 1
From a strategic point of view its a bad move.
Howard should have stayed for about 12-18 months to be the sacrificial lamb for Tony Blair and co., whilst continuing to get the tories in order.
A leader ship election at the beginning of 2007 would give the new leader about 2.5 years to get himself sorted for the next election. This stepping down after an election defeat thing is stupid. It gives a toital lack of continuity and puts the party back by months.
Its the same in any organisation or business, continuity and stability are required. The fact that Howard did better than most expected should be taken as a positive.
As for a succesor? I'm not sure I know any other of the Tory party!!
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2005 8:12:23 GMT 1
From a strategic point of view its a bad move. Howard should have stayed for about 12-18 months It may not be far off that?
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Post by harmerhillshrew on May 7, 2005 8:16:32 GMT 1
Bring back Porta-loo
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Post by Wrighty on May 7, 2005 8:22:18 GMT 1
Hurrah hurrah hurrah, I hate Howard as he represents the last surviving memories of the Thatcher beast. Glad he has left and hope never to see or hear anything from his smarmy little mouth ever again. Hague will return would be my prediction so that means for more years of fun. The one thing that has made me like the Conservative party over the last 12 years is that they are so woefully out of touch with the rest of the planet. I could not believe it when Howard ran as it was just a reminder of times past and when Ann Widdecombe said "he has something of the night about him" all those years ago that summed him up. If the Conservatives ever want to win again then they need to elect someone good this time, won't happen though because they are Tories
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Post by theriverside on May 7, 2005 9:41:49 GMT 1
Yet more indications of posters who would be happy to see a Parliament with 650 Labour MP's in it. *sigh* We need an effective opposition in government, Howard has got the Conservative house in some sort of order, they now need to get a YOUNG leader in place who does not resemble an alien and at least challenge Labour in 2009/10. I'd expect a NOC result with the Lib Dems jumping into bed with Brown myself. Log that one for your next prediction comp Welshshrew
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Post by harmerhillshrew on May 7, 2005 9:54:44 GMT 1
We need an effective opposition in government, Howard has got the Conservative house in some sort of order, they now need to get a YOUNG leader in place who does not resemble an alien and at least challenge Labour in 2009/10. He may have got the house in order Tel but has not increased the vote as a % from the last general election. Perhaps Danny K could be the man and will Mike Ion be at the Meadow this afternoon or will he have an ad in the programme thanking all STFC supporters who voted for him
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Post by theriverside on May 7, 2005 10:08:29 GMT 1
Their campaign from the start Andy was to target particular seats, what was it - 858,000 voters that could get them into power? And clearly this had some success with the gains they made at least strengthening their influence in Westminster.
But I'm sure there were plenty of areas where they did not put as much effort into winning votes, which would have left voters with a straight choice between Labour and Lib Dems, and Kennedy certainly advantage of this situation in many areas.
Now they need to put someone in place who is going to appeal to a wider audience than just the core Tory voters and then they can make an effort to win in all parts of the UK.
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Post by Guest on May 7, 2005 13:51:28 GMT 1
Where is all the talent? Labour look a little threadbare on next generation talent. As for the tories, I couldn't even see how they would enough good people to fill all the ministerial posts had they, perish the thought, won on Thursday.
Who will be talented enough/stupid enough to take on the leadership poison chalice, perhaps low life Mark Thatcher will take up politics and vow to continue the devastation wreaked by mum?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2005 17:17:46 GMT 1
An effective opposition yes.
But who knows, that could yet prove to be the Lib Dems.
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Post by Blue 44 on May 7, 2005 18:32:56 GMT 1
An effective opposition yes. But who knows, that could yet prove to be the Lib Dems. Possibly Ant my hunch though is that the Tories have begun the road to recovery and are now past the lowest point in their history. When Duncan Smith was around it looked as though they night die but after Thursday if I were a betting man would put a few quid (not many mind!) on them winning next time Dont underestimate Blairs difficulties most of his party dislike him intensely he has to tackle huge decisions on pensions, council tax, the economy which has been great for 10 years is entering a rocky phase and the line" its all the Tories fault " is wearing a little thin Gordon Brown might be about to be passed a poisoned chalice!
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Post by theriverside on May 7, 2005 19:02:07 GMT 1
An effective opposition yes. But who knows, that could yet prove to be the Lib Dems. They've reached their peak with this protest vote, I'd be very surprised if they got more seats at the next election.
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Post by Blue 44 on May 7, 2005 19:21:00 GMT 1
They've reached their peak with this protest vote, I'd be very surprised if they got more seats at the next election. That makes the rather big assumption that people will have nothing to protest about at the next election!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2005 10:39:43 GMT 1
We'll see about the Lib Dems - I'm still not convinced that Kennedy is a particularly good leader, they can improve yet.
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Post by kickinpretty on May 8, 2005 10:44:44 GMT 1
Great news about Howard stepping down, Brown will never win an election as leader of the labour party and neither will Charles Kennedyas leader of the liberals, if the conservatives can get a decent leader in place then i think they will win a landslide at the next election.
Portillo anyone?
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Post by Guest on May 8, 2005 10:46:07 GMT 1
Once Blair is gone Labour will get an increased majority at the next election under Brown.
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Post by oranjemob 1 on May 8, 2005 15:22:10 GMT 1
Brown will never win an election as leader of the labour party But I think you'll find he won this one Kickin
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Post by lazyshrew on May 8, 2005 16:37:44 GMT 1
theres only one boris johnson!! make him prime minister!
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on May 8, 2005 17:48:04 GMT 1
Put a flake in his head - make it a 99!!
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Post by Wrighty on May 8, 2005 17:48:26 GMT 1
Once Blair is gone Labour will get an increased majority at the next election under Brown. Agree, if Labour have won this time despite all the crap they have had to put up with about Iraq etc then under Gordon Brown the disaffected Labour voter will return. Does Portillo even have a seat at the moment, I thought he had left the house of commons? Boris Johnson a credible alternative, don't make me laugh!
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Post by lazyshrew on May 8, 2005 18:13:51 GMT 1
Put a flake in his head - make it a 99!!
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