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Post by john on Apr 17, 2005 16:48:34 GMT 1
Only repeating what he truly said...dont shoot the messenger
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 17, 2005 16:56:09 GMT 1
If he was staying overnight that would have bumped the cost up
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 16:57:26 GMT 1
2 adult tickets = £100 3 kids tickets = £60 £340 in travel costs to get 5 people to Cardiff? Where were they traveling from - Germany?? He's got a good point.
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Post by john on Apr 17, 2005 16:57:31 GMT 1
nah, he said they had driven up there in the morning.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 16:57:33 GMT 1
2 adult tickets = £100 3 kids tickets = £60 £340 in travel costs to get 5 people to Cardiff? Where were they traveling from - Germany?? If they went down on the supporters coach it was around £20 a head, making a final figure of around £250. That's an awful lot of money to an awful lot of people. Thinking about it, I am beginnign to understand why so many people gave it a miss. We don't all have never ending supplies of cash.
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Post by john on Apr 17, 2005 16:58:34 GMT 1
If they went down on the supporters coach it was around £20 a head, making a final figure of around £250. That's an awful lot of money to an awful lot of people. Thinking about it, I am beginnign to understand why so many people gave it a miss. We don't all have never ending supplies of cash. Exactly
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 17:03:07 GMT 1
If they went down on the supporters coach it was around £20 a head, making a final figure of around £250. That's an awful lot of money to an awful lot of people. Thinking about it, I am beginnign to understand why so many people gave it a miss. We don't all have never ending supplies of cash. Very true. But take this into account: 1) These are families who watch Premier League footie week in week out - so evidently they are used to spending a truck load of money on footie. 2) This is a one-off (okay maybe a two-off) occurence a year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 17:04:55 GMT 1
Perhaps it's the straw that breaks the camel's back? I dare say a lot of families struggle like hell to pay for season tickets and another £250 on top is just too much.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 17, 2005 17:07:33 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 17:08:36 GMT 1
That's fair enough, £250 is a lot of money.
I'd be suprised though if all of the Blackburn fans that didn't turn up were paying for their whole families to go.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 17:09:09 GMT 1
Perhaps it's the straw that breaks the camel's back? I dare say a lot of families struggle like hell to pay for season tickets and another £250 on top is just too much. It's a possibility yes, but while Premier League stadiums continued to be filled week in week out then little will change. The issue of the cup semis and the venue is an interesting one but it's worth noting that even though the Millennium stadium hasn't been full on either day there have been over 100,000 fans at the two games in total. This wouldn't have happened unless the two games were played at Old Trafford and St. James' Park - and there is certainly no guarantee of that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 17:11:44 GMT 1
Blackburn probably have more empty seats than any other club in the Premiership. Their fans are probably already beginning to find the Premiership is getting too expensive.
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Post by john on Apr 17, 2005 17:18:49 GMT 1
You dont even see Ewood fill when United go there. They had 29,000 when Newcastle went there on Boxing day, 26,000 v both United and Liverpool and the rest are 20,000 or lower.
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Post by rob on Apr 17, 2005 17:45:53 GMT 1
its a load of crap.
Just as kids are falling in love with Man United and Chelsea,Frank Lampard and Wayne Rooney, their fathers (who lets be honest often take the kids to footy matches) are falling out of love with their boyhood clubs, and looking to the lower leagues as a cheaper, more real, nicer,less tedious and more consistant (kick off times) alternative.
It is worth noting that altho' premierleage attendances have increased in recent years, league football attendances have increased substantially too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 17:51:15 GMT 1
It's a possibility yes, but while Premier League stadiums continued to be filled week in week out then little will change. The issue of the cup semis and the venue is an interesting one but it's worth noting that even though the Millennium stadium hasn't been full on either day there have been over 100,000 fans at the two games in total. This wouldn't have happened unless the two games were played at Old Trafford and St. James' Park - and there is certainly no guarantee of that. Theres been a lot of talk recently how premiership crowds (mainly away followings) have dropped and the blame is high prices, too many games on tele and too many games moved to stupid time to accomodate tele Sometimes I think the premiership games are very overpriced (£45 for away fans at Chelsea) , however when you think you could pay £14 to watch league 2 football in an ageing stadium with very few facilities OR pay double that to sit in Anfield/Old Trafford etc watching premiership football and a variet of world class footballers....... doesn't seem so bad.
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Post by rob on Apr 17, 2005 17:53:47 GMT 1
i guess it all depends upon what you look for on a saturday.
As important as the football is, I enjoy standing at the football, as well as getting to know fellow supporters.
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Post by john on Apr 17, 2005 17:55:24 GMT 1
i guess it all depends upon what you look for on a saturday. As important as the football is, I enjoy standing at the football, as well as getting to know fellow supporters. How many fans at Cardiff today where actually sitting down Rob? didnt look many.
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Post by Kilburn White on Apr 17, 2005 18:02:06 GMT 1
Ant,
It's exactly because folk are watching Premier league football every week that they can't afford/justify the extras for cup games. I don't know what you're finances are like, but finding £200-300 for a family isn't always easy; especially at the same time that we're being asked to renew season tickets. And no offence, but Blackburn and that part of Lancs doesn't seem like the wealthiest of places.
A lot of people that I know have got season tickets for themselves and their kids - my brother has one at the Lane and two for his kids and it works out about £1000 a year just for their tickets. Lob in travel expenses, food, drink, programmes and the odd visit to the club shop and it's a fair chunk out of his salary for 90 minutes 'entertainment' 19 times a year.
Away support is down big time in the Prem for all but the biggest clubs because people are shelling out for season tickets and don't have the extra money to fund away days. Fulham about 1,000 up to Man City this year for our opening day of the season - we more than that up to Macc for the opening fixture seven years ago! We only had about 500 up at Everton - none of the people who used to go away in the Autoglass follow us away anymore and it's all about money. I used to go to 80% of aways in the lower divisions and now do about 15% and any cup games. We've got the derby on Saturday and over the course of the day I'll probably end up spending £80 at least with no travel involved. £40 a ticket to watch us get stuffed and spat on - great.
When the authorities seemingly do everything they can to put you off going (tickets at £50, 12:00 kick-off, South Wales venue) then I actually think people shouldn't be slated for stopping in the pub and spending £20 to watch what was an awful game before a ten minute walk home.
We had a semi-final against Chelsea a few years ago, which was randomly played at Villa Park, on a Sunday night with a 6pm kick-off. We returned 6,000 unsold tickets, but how mad is making two clubs from Fulham travel up to Brum for an evening kick-off when Highbury and the Lane are both up the road?
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Post by rob on Apr 17, 2005 18:04:25 GMT 1
You know what i mean I like to be able to move about, not restricted to a set seat in a set isle with a bunch of randomers Are fulham tickets for home matches £40+£50??? Iff so thats fecking mad, talk about uprooting yourself from the traditional supporter base. Might go some way to explaining the impatience with Chris Coleman...new breed of glory hunters expecting instant sucess because the club once spent £7million + on a international dutch goal keeper and £11million+ on a french international...
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Post by pawlo on Apr 17, 2005 18:39:19 GMT 1
Not sure if this point has been made already cos i cant be bothered to read the whole thread IMO holding the semis at cardiff completely wrecks the prestige and "pomp" of the final, as that presumably, is going to be played at cardiff to. Would it have been such an occassion if the play off semis had been played at Stoke?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2005 21:13:37 GMT 1
Fair enough posts from the above. If there is a current decline in fans and it continues then I'm sure there will be a reduction in prices somewhere down the lines - our football is certainly much, much more expensive than abroad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2005 11:23:12 GMT 1
2nd year of premiership gates declining.
Things will look different in ten years no doubt about it.
Saturation point has been reached.
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Post by Kilburn White on Apr 18, 2005 11:44:01 GMT 1
No, that's £40 for the worst away seats in the Prem - the game's at the Bridge. Match tickets at the Cottage range from between £28-40, I think. £40 is as cheap as it gets at the Bridge and I think Man Utd, Arsenal etc pay £50 for the pleasure of an awful view and being gobbed on for a couple of hours. Choice.
Coleman's getting (very mild) stick because we're just about the dullest, least fit, most disorganised side in the world playing a crazy system and misusing about 80% of the available players. We've got a decent team on paper, but anyone who's seen us on SKY this year will know just how bad we are.
Football isn't cheap these days and I think fans are now more demanding as a result - which is fair enough. The funny thing is that it's our old school support which is the most frustrated - we may have been woeful in the lower divisions, but the actual day out and atmosphere was much better and cost you a fraction of what we pay now. If you're watching dire stuff every week then honestly, the Premiership ain't much fun to be in.
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Post by riversider aged 9 on Apr 18, 2005 17:15:06 GMT 1
Its because every time someone plays there the turf is always ripped up
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 18, 2005 18:59:38 GMT 1
Its because every time someone plays there the turf is always ripped up You have to be 13 to use this Message Board
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