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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2005 20:58:04 GMT 1
Mr Welshshrew. I agree totally with your statement, even though it was obviously an attempt to undermine my stance on this subject Not at all SNFC - my 1% was aimed totally at you. My main point though is that we're all in this together. For all the sh!te we give each other, the majority of football fans are decent people and make this incredible sport what it is. But there are sh!t-houses like Glazier, Hamilton, Guterman (our estwhile CEX's best buddy) and Shaw who the game would be much better off without. And I admire anyone who stands up against them
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 15, 2005 21:27:31 GMT 1
Rush to mock now but bear in mind that the fight that loyal United fans are making at this time has massive implications for english football. As is often the case, where United lead in off field initiatives others will inevitably follow. Really? Care to give some examples? Massive implications...how?
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 15, 2005 21:33:59 GMT 1
I've lived among and worked with Man U fans for 35 years now, from the days of Law, Charlton and Best through relegation and the barren years up to the Fergie era. One thing I've learned is that they are fans because they were born in Manchester, their dads and grandads supported United and like us with STFC, they couldn't support any other club.
Also like us they have little knowledge or influence over what goes on in the boardroom, their overiding interest is in what goes on on the field. I know thay loathed and distrusted Martin Edwards and Louis his father who , as rightly said earlier, were the people who sold the club to the highest bidder.
I can understand the dislike of PLC football clubs, but the knee jerk unthinking contempt for fellow football fans is hard to accept.
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Post by islay Malt on Apr 16, 2005 7:47:16 GMT 1
I have no suympathy for MUFC fans, as I expect none for me, accept the good times, accept the bad times, unless you are the majority shareholder, there's bugger all you can do about it! If your club is your club, you keep on going and accept it! What a shame, and what a bold presumption. I, for one, had a great deal of sympathy for you when Shaw bolloxed it all up for you. And yes, you would be suprised how many United fans commented upon what a shame it was for another decent club to be stuffed by an individuals greed and/or incompetence. That you don't recognise that fact (or are not prepared to accept it) is not surprising. After all it might not sit kindly with your rather steriotypical, prejudiced, view that all United fans are self obsessed, southern, tossers who don't give a sh!t about the wider issues affecting the game and other clubs. Well you're wrong, but I know I'm wasting my time pointing that out, because bigotry sees no logic. On the wider issues raised in this debate, may I just make a couple of points. 1. The vast majority of the fan base voiciferously opposed the floatation of the club, predicting that the current scenario would occur, given the marketability of the club and it's global brand. 2. That, in a free market, takeovers and share accumulation are part and parcel of the 'game', cannot be denied. However, it is equally acceptable (and justifyable) for all stakeholders (shareholders, fans, consumers etc) to oppose any such move, openly express their opposition, and publicise their concerns in respect of, in this case, the effect on the club and the wider game. This appears to have been a good debate (despite the rather childish title to the thread ) but, please, please, can there not be any discussion in which United are involved without compromising your own arguments, by resorting to the myths and fables about United fans not caring about anybody else. Have a good time with your fancy dress this afternoon. I hope you get a good result. And for those who's 'second team' is either Liverpool or Chelsea - congratualtions.
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Post by Henk Spots on Apr 17, 2005 12:16:58 GMT 1
Teams do have the option of retaining 51% of the shares and floating 49% to raise income, thus retaining a controlling interest. If the club wants a nice and fluffy no hostile bids ideal world that is what they should have done. Instead the money grabbing option chosen, and there was always a possibility this would happen. I do have to smile at those MUFC NOT FOR SALE banners. That is exactly what a 100% floated PLC is every day of the year
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